[Advanced] Old West Mischief Mafia - Town Wins!

[MrsClov]

 

Although now that I think about it, his going out of the way to point out that "he was already planning to vote" to dissuade the omgus concept is weird.

 

I posted a post  saw liz had just posted and voted me so i made it clear because it was going to be my next post no matter what.

 

 

@Dice

 

Why me for Tonto, Johnny Depp or otherwise?

 

 

@SEPHHHHHHHHH!!!!

 

Howdy, Stranger!

 

Penny for your thoughts?

 

*offers up her own seat at the bar*

 

a) kinda hard to have Tonto ride along besides me if he is in a different country isnt it??

 

b) ive liked ure game so far am leaning town on u (which probably means ure scum)

 

c) if it turns out you ARE scum?? its much easier to push you off ure horese if ure next to me

 

d) cause it was fun.

 

 

seph, on 12 Feb 2017 - 2:38 PM, said:

 

pretty sure i want to just lock dice in as town

 

 

The padawan is becoming a master. i like it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its still a contradiction  mrsclov   sher needed to consult on Darthe but not on me.

 

if the darthe one is just being a good hydra what is the one on me?? One second she needs to consult then she doesnt on someone else shortly thereafter?

No,  you're making it a contradiction, most likely because it involves you. It was an "Oh yeah, I'm in a hydra" moment. I didn't know about the vote on you until after the vote was placed and we talked it out. So that's when she mentioned conferring with me on Darthe. We fill the same spot, and that's not something either of us are used to doing. It is just a result of us trying to figure out how to hydra for the first time, but you're making it into something else.

Bold:

So order of hydra events:

 

- Vote Dice

- Discuss Dice vote

- Discuss conferring on Darthe ?

 

Not necessarily just Darthe just hey let's discuss before we vote, but otherwise you are correct. As you can see from our vote, we agreed to keep it on Dice.

 

Either one can answer this but I don't remember seeing it. Why did you all decide to keep your vote on dice after the joke vote? was it just the omgus reason? I don't think liz ever shared her conclusion.

 

 

 

Oh good grief you all are impatient. We were trying to figure out how he'd react since he's one of the few players we've both played with and trying to get a read that way. He seemed to only be staying on the topic of Liz and I voting for him to the point where it's been beaten like a rug. I wanted to see if he'd address other topics or not and how other people would respond. He hasn't been back in the thread as far as I know since I explained we're trying to get used to being a hydra. I want to see his reaction to this. 

 

 

red   interesting. How many posts did i actually make about you two? 3? maybe 4? thats staying on you to the point of being beaten like a rug is it? Most of the pressure you have had   like 90% of it has come from people OTHER THEN ME. I started it yes but im not the one thats been carrying it on as i wasnt here. So that red line comes across badly to me as it seems you are trying to make me look bad for something i didnt do.

 

As for looking at others?? there wasnt a lot of people active when i voted to look at and im watching people but if you think thats gonna get my focus off you then ure sadly mistaken.

I tend to see something grab it and stick to it. 

 

there have been some responses from you two that i dont like. That post darthe pointed out as aggressive? i wouldnt say AGGRESSIVE per se but the tone is definitely different to your tone last game. The tone is hard and defensive. pretty much right from the start.  A couple of lizs posts come across that way too.

 

1. Fair enough, I wasn't trying to make you look bad. In my mind there seemed to be more posts about it from you directly. I've since gone back and reread, and know that's not the case. The wording was also bad on my part. I wasn't trying to say you were beating us like a dirty rug. I meant the topic in general was. 

 

3. I'm not even remotely being aggressive. I'll give you defensive, because I've felt like we've had to be defensive. We've spent our entire day, basically, getting attacked from multiple people over things that got blown way out of proportion. So yeah, we're ticked off, feeling cornered, and defensive as hell.

[Eldrick4221]

Context for my comparison for you getting used to your hydra.

 

Aj's hackers game. Sooh and I were hydra. First time I've ever been hydra. I know firsthand the difficulties of getting used to that.

 

Comparison I made was the discussing one vote and impulse voting another. I did literally this. Waited to talk to her about one person, and impulse voted another shortly afterwards.

[Eldrick4221]

 

Because she said to stop focusing on her just doesn't feel like a good enough reason.

Yes, how dare someone give a player a bit of courtesy when all they want to do is explain.

A vote isn't a lynch. A vote is who you think is the scummiest, which I thought he thought was you.

 

So the Unvote needs explaining imo

[MrsClov]

Context for my comparison for you getting used to your hydra.

 

Aj's hackers game. Sooh and I were hydra. First time I've ever been hydra. I know firsthand the difficulties of getting used to that.

 

Comparison I made was the discussing one vote and impulse voting another. I did literally this. Waited to talk to her about one person, and impulse voted another shortly afterwards.

Okay, thanks for the context. This makes a lot more sense. And yeah, it's hard. Liz and I have never actually played together before so it's a whole lot of things to figure out. Which is why I'm asking for a bit of courtesy in backing off of us and letting us explain and try to work our way through some reads. And I get it, it's probably hard for you all to try and read us since you have to read two people with two very different play styles for one slot. I really want to get everything on a better foot so we can get this game moving to where it needs to be.

[Eldrick4221]

because i didnt want to waste time with the argument

OK. Decent answer.

[Eldrick4221]

 

Context for my comparison for you getting used to your hydra.

 

Aj's hackers game. Sooh and I were hydra. First time I've ever been hydra. I know firsthand the difficulties of getting used to that.

 

Comparison I made was the discussing one vote and impulse voting another. I did literally this. Waited to talk to her about one person, and impulse voted another shortly afterwards.

Okay, thanks for the context. This makes a lot more sense. And yeah, it's hard. Liz and I have never actually played together before so it's a whole lot of things to figure out. Which is why I'm asking for a bit of courtesy in backing off of us and letting us explain and try to work our way through some reads. And I get it, it's probably hard for you all to try and read us since you have to read two people with two very different play styles for one slot. I really want to get everything on a better foot so we can get this game moving to where it needs to be.

I get that, but I'm stuck on not seeing how her asking who your teammates would be could come from a town pov.

[MrsClov]

 

 

Because she said to stop focusing on her just doesn't feel like a good enough reason.

Yes, how dare someone give a player a bit of courtesy when all they want to do is explain.

A vote isn't a lynch. A vote is who you think is the scummiest, which I thought he thought was you.

 

So the Unvote needs explaining imo

 

 

I think I get what he's saying from it. We're a huge question mark. As I said in my previous post you all are having to read us as one spot, and that's probably hard. There's been a lot of drama surrounding us and really no one else (as the center of the focus I mean).  I'm reading it as we're coming off the scummiest to him over everyone else, and a flip will give information on it. Given your tendency for rereading the thread last game after flips, I would think you'd understand that, unless I'm completely off base at what Seph is getting at.

[MrsClov]

 

 

Context for my comparison for you getting used to your hydra.

 

Aj's hackers game. Sooh and I were hydra. First time I've ever been hydra. I know firsthand the difficulties of getting used to that.

 

Comparison I made was the discussing one vote and impulse voting another. I did literally this. Waited to talk to her about one person, and impulse voted another shortly afterwards.

Okay, thanks for the context. This makes a lot more sense. And yeah, it's hard. Liz and I have never actually played together before so it's a whole lot of things to figure out. Which is why I'm asking for a bit of courtesy in backing off of us and letting us explain and try to work our way through some reads. And I get it, it's probably hard for you all to try and read us since you have to read two people with two very different play styles for one slot. I really want to get everything on a better foot so we can get this game moving to where it needs to be.

I get that, but I'm stuck on not seeing how her asking who your teammates would be could come from a town pov.

 

 

Alright let me see if I can try to explain this differently than Liz did. Aside from scum, no one knows anyone else's alignment. Liz and I know we're town. We're trying to get you to open-mindedly see that. So by asking who would our scum partners be it's more to try and get people to realize that based on interactions there's not a scum connection that can be made to other people. Remember how before I died in Sooh's basic game I posted potential scum partners based on who was interacting with who and how they were interacting? I think it's along the same lines of that. Going into it with an open mind you might see okay they don't have any really scummy interactions with a player that makes me feel it could be a team mate. But player x and y over here? Man it's weird how they haven't interacted at all.  So that's how it can be pro-town, at least in mind. Liz can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong when she wakes up, but this is really just how I see it.

[Eldrick4221]

I think I get what he's saying from it. We're a huge question mark. As I said in my previous post you all are having to read us as one spot, and that's probably hard. There's been a lot of drama surrounding us and really no one else (as the center of the focus I mean). I'm reading it as we're coming off the scummiest to him over everyone else, and a flip will give information on it. Given your tendency for rereading the thread last game after flips, I would think you'd understand that, unless I'm completely off base at what Seph is getting at.

I get the point that the thread has had a lot of focus on you. Might be intentional. Worth looking into who pushed you should you flip town.

 

I also only really reread when I'm stuck. Probably making an exception this time because of how little I remember (busy day at work)

 

Care to explain how her asking who your teammates would be comes from a town pov?

[seph]

 

 

 

@eld because I wanted to lol. the point of the vote was to apply pressure. I wanted to see where the train went but he already voted. It will be interesting to see where the thread goes is all.

So you don't think the slot is scum?

All you need to know is that I think that slot is the best option to lynch atm. my guess is he didn't want a speed lynch. regardless i trust cuth so why not.

That is a really weird answer.

 

If you are town and want the slot lynched, it's reasonable to assume you think the slot is scum.

 

But that's not what you said. Why the elusive answer?

 

you think alot of things are weird this game don't you. I would guess me saying they are the best option to lynch, i would think they are scum. I wouldn't want to lynch someone i thought was town would i?

I don't even think 50 % has checked in. and im pretty sure at least that has not mad a game related post. 

[Eldrick4221]

Ignore the last line. You just did

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

Context for my comparison for you getting used to your hydra.

 

Aj's hackers game. Sooh and I were hydra. First time I've ever been hydra. I know firsthand the difficulties of getting used to that.

 

Comparison I made was the discussing one vote and impulse voting another. I did literally this. Waited to talk to her about one person, and impulse voted another shortly afterwards.

Okay, thanks for the context. This makes a lot more sense. And yeah, it's hard. Liz and I have never actually played together before so it's a whole lot of things to figure out. Which is why I'm asking for a bit of courtesy in backing off of us and letting us explain and try to work our way through some reads. And I get it, it's probably hard for you all to try and read us since you have to read two people with two very different play styles for one slot. I really want to get everything on a better foot so we can get this game moving to where it needs to be.

I get that, but I'm stuck on not seeing how her asking who your teammates would be could come from a town pov.

Alright let me see if I can try to explain this differently than Liz did. Aside from scum, no one knows anyone else's alignment. Liz and I know we're town. We're trying to get you to open-mindedly see that. So by asking who would our scum partners be it's more to try and get people to realize that based on interactions there's not a scum connection that can be made to other people. Remember how before I died in Sooh's basic game I posted potential scum partners based on who was interacting with who and how they were interacting? I think it's along the same lines of that. Going into it with an open mind you might see okay they don't have any really scummy interactions with a player that makes me feel it could be a team mate. But player x and y over here? Man it's weird how they haven't interacted at all. So that's how it can be pro-town, at least in mind. Liz can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong when she wakes up, but this is really just how I see it.

That's something to explore later in the game once there's flips and established interactions. Not d1 while on the defensive. There's nothing to gain from it right now. It only leads to potential misinformation.

 

Assuming you're town, say someone did list something as a link to you. If they actually are scum, the link has hurt town.

 

Either you get mislynched after they flip, or they are potentially cleared because you flip town.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

 

@eld because I wanted to lol. the point of the vote was to apply pressure. I wanted to see where the train went but he already voted. It will be interesting to see where the thread goes is all.

So you don't think the slot is scum?

All you need to know is that I think that slot is the best option to lynch atm. my guess is he didn't want a speed lynch. regardless i trust cuth so why not.

That is a really weird answer.

 

If you are town and want the slot lynched, it's reasonable to assume you think the slot is scum.

 

But that's not what you said. Why the elusive answer?

you think alot of things are weird this game don't you. I would guess me saying they are the best option to lynch, i would think they are scum. I wouldn't want to lynch someone i thought was town would i?

I don't even think 50 % has checked in. and im pretty sure at least that has not mad a game related post.

Pretty sure there's only like 3 that haven't checked in. And only a couple that have haven't made game related posts.

[MrsClov]

 

 

 

 

Context for my comparison for you getting used to your hydra.

 

Aj's hackers game. Sooh and I were hydra. First time I've ever been hydra. I know firsthand the difficulties of getting used to that.

 

Comparison I made was the discussing one vote and impulse voting another. I did literally this. Waited to talk to her about one person, and impulse voted another shortly afterwards.

Okay, thanks for the context. This makes a lot more sense. And yeah, it's hard. Liz and I have never actually played together before so it's a whole lot of things to figure out. Which is why I'm asking for a bit of courtesy in backing off of us and letting us explain and try to work our way through some reads. And I get it, it's probably hard for you all to try and read us since you have to read two people with two very different play styles for one slot. I really want to get everything on a better foot so we can get this game moving to where it needs to be.

I get that, but I'm stuck on not seeing how her asking who your teammates would be could come from a town pov.

Alright let me see if I can try to explain this differently than Liz did. Aside from scum, no one knows anyone else's alignment. Liz and I know we're town. We're trying to get you to open-mindedly see that. So by asking who would our scum partners be it's more to try and get people to realize that based on interactions there's not a scum connection that can be made to other people. Remember how before I died in Sooh's basic game I posted potential scum partners based on who was interacting with who and how they were interacting? I think it's along the same lines of that. Going into it with an open mind you might see okay they don't have any really scummy interactions with a player that makes me feel it could be a team mate. But player x and y over here? Man it's weird how they haven't interacted at all. So that's how it can be pro-town, at least in mind. Liz can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong when she wakes up, but this is really just how I see it.

That's something to explore later in the game once there's flips and established interactions. Not d1 while on the defensive. There's nothing to gain from it right now. It only leads to potential misinformation.

 

Assuming you're town, say someone did list something as a link to you. If they actually are scum, the link has hurt town.

 

Either you get mislynched after they flip, or they are potentially cleared because you flip town.

 

 

Never claimed it would be a perfect solution and wouldn't have any ramifications. It was simply meant to be a bright flashlight in the tunnel ;) 

[Eldrick4221]

Problem with your wording is it implies that you think they're scum, but you weren't actually saying that. Scum wants town lynched, which also fits the "let's just say I want them lynched".

[seph]

3. Calamity Sooh (Sooh) sorry if you have sooh but i dont remember
4. Kronos McLintock (WolfbrotherKronos)
5. NotBob Cassidy (鲍勃不是我的名字)
7. Wildfire Oakley (Wildfire Sedai)
8. Hallia Cogburn (Hallia)
12. The amazing Tiink (Tiinker)
14. Wild Bill Spoot (Spoof)
16. Crushlove the Bacon Bandit (The Crusher)
i have 8

[MrsClov]

Alright children of the night, you've got me for about 20 more minutes if there's anything you'd like to talk about. Then it's bed time for me.

[seph]

Problem with your wording is it implies that you think they're scum, but you weren't actually saying that. Scum wants town lynched, which also fits the "let's just say I want them lynched".

ACTUALLY I WAS SAYING. that I feel the worst about them in the game, but yes atm I think they are scum with some reservations. I have stuff and junk going on in my head with this slot.

 

I don't know it seems to me this game you are asking question that don't really have a point. last game I read 10 pages and had you as my #1 town read just from how hard you were trying to solve the game.

 

anyways im done for the night.

[Eldrick4221]

I think I see what you're getting at. Her timing was horrendous, and I still see how it could be a scum slip.

 

But I'll back off...for now.

[unvote]

[Eldrick4221]

3. Calamity Sooh (Sooh) sorry if you have sooh but i dont remember4. Kronos McLintock (WolfbrotherKronos)5. NotBob Cassidy (鲍勃不是我的名字)7. Wildfire Oakley (Wildfire Sedai)8. Hallia Cogburn (Hallia)12. The amazing Tiink (Tiinker)14. Wild Bill Spoot (Spoof)16. Crushlove the Bacon Bandit (The Crusher)

i have 8

Sooh posted. Nothing game related.

Kronos posted. Joke vote on Hally. Agreed with me about a point against Liz. Commented on Darthe's OP

NotBob hasn't checked in.

Wiffy hasn't checked in.

Hally posted. A little fluff. A little discussion about Darthe's OP

Tink posted. All fluff.

Spoot posted. Answered Cass' questions regarding who he knew in the game and such. Otherwise fluff.

Crusher posted. Answered Cass' questions. Fluff about me knowing of him because of my mom, and who my mom is. Responded to my not noticing that he had answered Cass' questions.

 

Most of that list HAS checked in. Only NotBob and Wiffy haven't.

But more of them have no useful content than I thought.

[Eldrick4221]

But I agree that we need to hear more from the whole list.

[MrsClov]

Good night internet people.

[Sooh]

 

@Dice

 

Why me for Tonto, Johnny Depp or otherwise?

 

 

@SEPHHHHHHHHH!!!!

 

Howdy, Stranger!

 

Penny for your thoughts?

 

*offers up her own seat at the bar*

I am still reading atm but sure [v] Eldrick the kid[/v] 

*pulls up a seat* Im not ganna drink alone now!

 

Ah. Lone ranger type.

 

Also

 

27 pages????? Guys!!!!

 

*cries*

[Sooh]

Yeah, look, I'll read the previous 18 pages, but I won't be quoting a ton and asking a million questions. I'm better at that in real time. When one of you guys come online, let's talk.

[Sooh]

Darthe is giving a bunch of people easy town reads. Not sure I like it. However, him coming out with a claim off the bat like that is as null as it gets. 

 

Liz and MrsClov not reacting that well to the pressure imo. 

 

Dice getting a few people town reading him easily this game. Will yell at me for not getting it.