No I don't believe you can infer that and I certainly did not mean to imply that. I watched season 1 first, my mates wife also watched season 1 and the title reminded her of the books she had read in the past she then asked me if I could get her the audiobooks, she now runs her own cottage industry and has little time for sitting down to read. I did that for her. I then finished listening to the Dune Saga. Needed something to replace it and decided to check out TWoT because of the lady mentioned above. Mostly because of it's length. Started listening a didn't want to stop, found excuses to be on the tractor so I could listen uninterrupted. After the first book I re-watched the 1st season and was dumbfounded by the unjustifiable and stupid changes made. I then finished the books before season 2. The rest as you have read here is history. It is my humble opinion that the series is NOT the books and I am greatly disappointed in what has been done to date and can not see how in can be sanely corrected. If I choose to watch the series again I will do what I did for season 2. Take deep breaths and remind myself repeatedly that it's not the wheel of time it just has a lot of the same names. Once I've managed that, the show is a palatable watch. There is for sure much worse things on TV. Some sex crazed, drug addled garbage set in Las-Vegas, that I couldn't bring myself to finish watching the first episode, for one.

I'm that too. But not for the same reasons you might be.

Yes I know his wife was his editor. None of us know anything about the motivations of Harriet or Brandon, nothing at all. As someone with more than 6 books stuck in his head and trying to get them out onto a computer I know first hand the time and effort required to write. ( I have more pages of people and place names, maps, character arcs and the like than I have of actual story). For Robert Jordan to have written TWoT and for it to be widely appreciated in it's original form is an Epic achievement. To see that effort mostly discarded has to be heart breaking to any author. Needless to say if I ever finish (life just keeps getting in the way) any of my books they will almost certainly never been made in to a series or movies while I'm alive as the restrictions I would place on alterations would almost never be agreed to. Assuming that they would even be good enough to warrant it or even be published.

TWoT's author has passed away well before the series. Who makes this show official? His wife and the man she got to finish the books are hardly official. I do not believe for a single second Robert Jordan would approve of the changes made in this TV series. I believe he would receive it as a very hard slap in the face! I will say I thought Brandon Sanderson did a fine job of finishing TWoT. A very difficult task to do well for any author.

No. Book Min often wishes she did not have her ability and does not enjoy having it. She is a very strong character. Book Min is a tomboy and loves being one. She dislikes the fact that men and women consider her pretty and is shocked when she discovers she is in love with Rand. She uses her "beauty" to hide in the white tower by donning makeup, dresses and a demure attitude, despising the changes, and becomes almost unrecognisable compared to her true persona. Min rescues Siuan Sanche and her keeper of the chronicles from imprisonment in the tower and much more. It's painfully clear that Min's white tower scenes, if any, will be scripted completely differently in the show.

No, a workmates wife got me into the books and I enjoy the books because of the books. I had never been much of a fan of fantasy until I listened to TWoT audio books Narrated by: Kate Reading, Michael Kramer Now I have a swag of them. The Lot Lands trilogy by Jonathan French Traitor Spy Trilogy by Trudy Canavan Obernewtyn by Isobelle Carmody ( narrated by the author ) to name three. I can recommend these three as an excellent read / listen. Obernewtyn by Isobelle Carmody was recommended to me by the same woman who got me onto TWoT.

Could not agree more. Someone here said that they didn't expect to see the battle in the sky. Why not? GoT had dragons fighting while flying, infinitely more complex then the comparatively simple fight in TWoT. I do not say I was "looking forward" to that fight scene I'm just saying there is no production reason why it should not have been there. There is however "show" reasons. The sky battle in the books reveals Rand's face to the entire city and his image is spread across the world, to the point where Liandrin has a painting of the scene, clearly identifying Rand, hanging on the wall in her "office" once she deposes Siuan Sanche. So clearly Rand's infamy and face is not going to be public knowledge for some time in the show. I am shocked and confused that anyone can believe the first two seasons are a strong adaptation of the books. We will have to agree to disagree on the point that I believe the show is not and in fact far from it. The show may well end up having a similar ending to the book, don't hold your breath on that though, but as most people would agree when you are on a trip some of the best parts is the journey, the eventual destination can wind up being secondary. As any reading here will know I don't think much of the show's journey and also I don't believe it will improve, there have been too many changes for it to sanely get back on track or even resemble the books.

Just finished listening to The Shadow Rising - Book 4 of TWoT. These books are SO! good. Starting in on The Fires of Heaven immediately. I listened to all 14 books last year for the first time. I'm very sure this will become an annual event for me.

Wow I never said that either. I made 2 statements, that is two separate statements. TWoT suggests, implies, puts forth the idea, has as one of it's underlying focuses that; 1: People are better off if they are true to themselves. 2: That good will always wins over evil, no matter how long it takes. Why is this so hard to understand.

In a darkened computer room in the corner of his house with the chill of the morning air upon his face Henry Who could be heard snickering quietly to himself. Gathering himself he departs his abode for a day of labour outside.

Well best way to achieve that would have been to edit and script the books and stick more closely to them.

How in blazes do you go from "Be true to who you really are and good always defeats evil eventually. " to 'good will prevail if we make good choices' Written as is I can't see it. Maybe I could have written it thus. Be true to who you really are. Good always defeats evil eventually. ?? I don't see the difference. I see no correlation between what I actually wrote and what you incorrectly paraphrased.

I feel some people may have forgotten what this forum thread is actually called. Let me state it here. Wheel of Time TV Show Why not follow the books more closely? I believe this clarifies my feelings on the series completely. It would appear that some of us, myself included, have strayed. To answer the question asked in the topic directly. Arrogance and stupidity. The first by simply believing, with no foundation, that they could write a better story. The second by increasing the cost and complexity of production. By not simply editing and scripting the books the writers have infinitely more work to do, possibly their motivation for the drastic changes, more work more money for them.

You've taken him out of the context of his and my discussion and what you have said here I inferred in my reply to him. Except the point, in the context of his and my discussion, that the deliberate subversion of the Aiel truth does contradict his statement.

Again I disagree. With every episode the series becomes less and less TWoT. Interestingly the more of this forum I read the more I agree with my statement above. Mostly inspired by comments made by those on the other side of my point of view. Just to reiterate a previous statement. I do get some entertainment from the series. It's far from GoT or Shadow and Bone or Warrior Nun or The Witcher or many others, but so long as I forget that I've read the books it's passable as a show. By passable I mean, assuming I had never read the books, I would rate it 5 out of 10 maybe a 6 on IMDB.

To quote myself here. It IS THEIR story now. It would be far more accurate, and they may have kept more of the books fan base, if they had called the series something else and had simply put "Inspired by The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan" in the opening credits.

I find it insulting that anyone, especially the writers of this series, could have the gall to believe they could do a better job of TWoT than the author. It's clear that's how they think or they would have stayed the course and adhered more closely to the books. I know a word for word scene for scene reproduction is impractical for the most part. But these ... "writers" have made fundamental changes from the 1st episode and they naturally cascade through the rest of their story now. IF they had managed the miracle of making a better story I'd be among the first to congratulate them. But they have not. Not only have they not but they have detracted from it significantly. It should go without stating, but I feel a need to, that these are my opinions, shared by others as are most opinions are, even if they do not contribute here.

Everything I wrote contradicts it. His point was to suggest that the lie the majority of the Aiel live under, regards their own history, affirms his statement about all stories being misunderstandings etc etc. I stated that it is not as the Aiel story is a deliberate alteration by them a flat out lie.

I have a brain and free will. All I am doing here is stating a opposite opinion to the statement "adds to the richness of the dialogue". A statement I fervently disagree with. There is no arbitration only an emphatic declaration of opinion.

No again. The Aiel point you make here is incorrect. The Aiel story, in the books at least, was deliberately changed by, we can assume, the wise ones so as to try and hold the Aiel together. Common knowledge of the truth about their split and self exile to the 3 fold land would have destroyed their community completely, or so it was felt. They, or at least some in authority, chose to alter the truth. This is fundamentally different to your point. A point of course I do not agree with.

I am not. It detracts from the original until it varies so much from the source to insult it.

What are these "official cannon" versions of TWoT you refer to.

Nifty indeed considering that Rand is the ONLY person who can pull it from the stone. So now anyone could have walked up and taken it... so why haven't one of the dark ones done so. Every change has repercussions.

So not a fan after all. No loyalty to the authors efforts and imagination. No respect for the, literally, countless hours of work by the author and the efforts of family and friends. This is not just a statement about TWoT it refers to every book YOU have ever read that was adapted in some way and strayed as far as TWoT has from the source material! The series is little better than a POORLY written fan-fiction loosely based on some of the Robert Jordan books. It is an insult to the memory and efforts of Robert Jordan.

As a fan of the books I would not! I would ridicule it as a pathetic attempt at ripping off the books, Laugh at the inept writing and assume the unrecognisable and new characters are only there to prevent a law suit.