Enjoyed the episode more than I would have expected considering it appears to have the most changes this season, still.. Finland baby! Was put off in the first scene, i don't know if it was the costume, angles or movement but the fin reminded me of the monster from IT and I could help but think of it as a clown. Was over it by the next scene, that was fantastic 👏 Balefire 😲, now that was super cool but.. didn't like how it kinda crumbled the roof, it's supposed to be like a hot knife through butter, also didn't like how Elayne held it on her before the effects happened. The visual of the rewriting the past was cool. Nyn breaking her block, quite enjoyed that. Shame it wasn't closer to the books though. Rand channellers the rain.. firstly, didn't like his dance, that was silly. Much cooler when he was standing in the middle of his channelling looking ominous. Interesting parralel with Mo and lanfears channeling and how much more impressive his was, is it just me or does there look like there was more taint in his weaves? Mo vs Lanfear.. could have been cooler, it didn't feel like Moraine was using a world shattering item. Lanfear was obviously using the true power (it was purr black for gods sake), which makes sense with her standing up to Moraine, heck I still feel like Lanfear could have easily won here. Moggy is just amazingly creepy, right at the top of my list of favourite forsaken. Her taking out Sammael was interesting, loved the visuals, like she was weaving blood. I wonder if he'll come back as a certain dagger, i could see them having fun with him as Dashiva, forbidden revenge and forced to help Rand and his conquering and wars could be fun. Overall a far better ending to the season, I was hoping for a fun AoL cold opening and a cool, surprising end scene but I'm happy with ominous Rand.

Dang, I tried creating a post for it but it needs mod approval 😅 Buggers are probably dealing with real world shit and here we are wanting to talk about fantasy shit and how it impacts our real world feelings 🥲

Starting this up as im assuming the Mods are occupied with their life 😇 Season 3 - Episode 8: He Who Comes With The Dawn Director: Ciaran Donnelly Writers: ?? Runtime: 1 h 10 min Mod note: Let's keep DM Tidy, and try to keep all discussions pertaining to S3E8: He Who Comes With The Dawn to this topic for the next few weeks. When reading beyond this point, you should expect to encounter Full Spoilers Up to the ending of Episode 8 only, and full book spoilers in this topic.

And that will only take a couple of episodes to resolve right? Right..?

Maybe it's just me but I swear they had first age cussing in the books, though it was hidden behind subetly. E.g. "Rand stood up and said a particularly foul curse" (Paraphrased: I think that was Far Madding with Caddy). I don't think he was saying "mothers milk in a cup" which is apparently not a nice thing to say. Again, could just be my interpretation.. P.s. in saying that, no, I don't like the Aiel cussing in such a fashion. That's just weird.

Well that was kinda fun.. and very disappointing 😞 I'm.. I'm going to sleep on it before I be a dick and do something like loudly proclaim the books were so much cooler 😢

Regarding locating people in Tar and dreams issue. It was confirmed that at least one male and one female forsaken were dreamers, with Ishy being a prime candidate for the male dreamer. Prophetic dreams could be a nice way to "magically" locate someone who will be needed - e.g. Liandrin

Yeah this season has been amazing so far, the positives far outweigh my issues 😇

I get the sentiment but I don't think it's a big issue. RJ was known for leaving all sorts of breadcrumbs that most people miss out on, it's what makes reread so much fun. I'm good with them utilising this concept, honestly wouldn't mind if they did it more but I guess it doesn't really fit with this medium in this short attention span, content guzzling day and age. Some of my favourites from the early books:

What? Of course Lan is a sensitive guy! Malkier, his heritage and private war are all touchy subjects, crikey the guy knew poems and shit. And yet people only ever think of him as this dude walking around, hard as a rock looking for someone who knows how to scratch his back just right 😂

Elaidas smugness makes it a little less ambiguous i think. I stated earlier that I caught the name of one of the houses, Carean who ends up with Aramylia (?), opposing Elayne during the succession. I wouldn't be surprised if the other two houses will also end up against Elayne, so they could be using this scene to further that plot. Also, we see Sylvase who succeeds her house at the end of the war is shown to be quite cold and ruthless, very eager to use her "secretary". Maybe they'll use this scene to show her cold hearted nature? Then again, if i remember correctly daddy was a bit rapey..

Yeah, I think it's obvious to the casual reader that either Mats luck or Tar'vareen nature kicking in for the bracelet find / Thom. I'd prefer Tar'vareen though, I kinda like the idea that this barely explained phenomenon is used in a way that makes rewatches fun. For Sammy.. it was a bit dark for me but I thought he true powered buggered off? Could be wrong..

So i mostly enjoyed this episode.. mostly.. (Insert aliens meme). So yeah, mostly is how I'd describe this one. I feel i would have liked it more if there was more than 2 episodes left. Still there were a couple of instances that made me want to kick rocks. For starters, 2 untrained channelers healing Allannas mortal wounds? Even with show logic this is a bit much. No, I'm sorry but I do not like anything about this storyline. Everything about Allanna so far has been unnecessary to get to her healing Perrin. I can think of a couple of ways to get here without being silly. I'm mostly good with the rest of the episode: Tanchico was mostly fun: Thom! Min and Nyn were surprisingly fun. Liandrins story was very interesting, which I have some theories on. Moggys interview was awesome! Perrin and Faile was mostly good, though it did, at times feel a bit forced with their dialogue. The waste was also mostly good fun.. It was nice to see the "tear" attack.. but it still felt.. not quite enough. So yeah, I want to say i enjoyed it.. mostly.. but still 🥲

Alright.. @DaddyFinn asked a user a question and followed it up with a statement, this is a valid way of presenting an argument. Where the question and statement are part of said argument. You responded to the question alone, as if it was ludicrous and completely ignoring the argument presented. This annoyed me and I find it to be an underhanded and manipulative form of presenting an argument.. hence why I suggested its bordering on a strawmans argument as you extrapolated on the question and not the point of the users argument. I've noticed you do this in our own arguments and others. It's really not cool dude. I apologize for calling you a dick, it was a roundabout way to say it but nonetheless.. you're right. There is a better way to go about it and I'll try better in the future. I do stand by calling you biased and obstinant though. Funnily enough I do agree with some of your points, I just don't want to encourage you dude. Please be mindful as personalities like yours may prevent fans of the books / show from interacting with us and having meaningful conversations / discussions. Be cool dude!

Sorry dude, I wasn't insulting you directly, merely commenting on your biased obstinant arguments and how they may be viewed. To be clear, @DaddyFinn point was that they may have done things for a reason which was in response to @Sabio saying they're adding thing for no reason. And whilst you did answer a question in his post (that wasn't directed at you), you didn't acknowledge his point or even provide context on what you were responding to. Which looks like your arguing against the whole post, and like you're going on a tangent based on your opinions and feelings and not discussing the point someone was arguing. That could be construed as a strawmans argument, and that's not cool. But thank you for clearing that up, I didn't realise you were responding to the question and didn't care about the point he was making.