Just now, Maximillion said:

 

Nope - a TV series glaring hole.

The idea that an Aes Sedai could not actually lie even she wanted to was already landed in the show.

No book necessary.

 

Egad, the Trollocs didnt follow the party into Shadar Logoth IN THE BOOK. Churning churning churning

2 minutes ago, Maximillion said:

The show doesn't really seem to care for knitting the story together properly.  Another example is the mysterious disappearance of an army of Trollocs from outside Shadar Logoth.   I guess they just gave up and went home, or maybe they did go into the city and all die?  Who the hell knows .. and I doubt most watching would care.

Oh good. You've found a Book plot glaring hole.

8 minutes ago, swollymammoth said:

Yeah I am. Most of my problems with the show are just that it sucks on its own.

Not sure why that doesn't qualify as coming on the forum to trash the show. Defending the show from this puts me in the same boat?

34 minutes ago, Katherine said:

I think that’s what disqualified him as the dragon reborn because.. according to her logic… the pattern would not have allowed that to happen.

That's a dangerous explanation. It jumps into the morass of free-will vs. predestination. If the pattern rules, then Moiraine can take a vacation and all will be well. Other than that, right on!

1 minute ago, Maximillion said:

.and the books are not even the issu

Really? Without the books you would nonetheless be complaining about an Aes Sedai confrontation with the Children? There are any number of explanations given above that pucker that glaring hole.

1 minute ago, swollymammoth said:

So is Starship Troopers, and it's a complete and utter betrayal of the original. WoT isn't that, but it does beg the question: How long will you allow yourself to buy into this show as WoT?

I liked Starship Trooper as a movie. Verhoeven knows fascism, in a different way than Heinlein. If you no longer want to "buy into this show as WoT," don't. Then you can criticize it on its own. Sure you're up for that, too.

4 minutes ago, Maximillion said:

The one that had already been set in the story that Aes Sedai are unable to lie and then a Questioner not having the smarts to corner Morraine very very easily - as he should have been able to.

The same mistake that BS talked about.

Repetition is the soul of wit.

11 minutes ago, Maximillion said:

glaring plot hole

Yours, that is the one you mentioned.

7 minutes ago, NightWolf said:

Here's to more sufferi... I

Thanks for including Roose Bolton.

3 minutes ago, notpropaganda73 said:

didn't think Tim was nitpicking at the scene, just discussing its implications.

And the implication of the opined battle between the Children and Moiraine? (As Elder_H sez, that is not a given in the Book). The only alternative is to s***-can the scene, which, imho, loses far more than it gains.

6 minutes ago, Tim said:

Yes the rift is in the books, but I think most ordinary Children (probably including Geofram) in the books would jump at the chance to kill an Aes Sedai if they thought they could.

Thanks for your opinion. Good thing Amazon didn't agree or the series would be over.

4 minutes ago, Tim said:

The scene hinted at a clear rift or at least division between the main Children and the Questioners - at

This rift is in the Book. As described above, the scene works, and there are logical underpinnings to the action as shown.

The meaning of originality in science or in art is not that there is no source material, it's that something new is added. Einstein, one of the most original thinkers in history, used results and theories of Lorentz and Planck.  Nearly every movie--Gone With The Wind, All The President's Men, Harry Potter-- is both original and based on source material. Amazon's WoT is original AND based on source material. The incarnation of the characters is original for one simple example. Also the solution of taking the plot from the beginning to the end is original. So far, so good.

After further research the name of repast when the big trolloc ate the little trolloc is Trolloc Haggis, served now at your local AM/PM minimart.

55 minutes ago, Kudzu said:

old mate shows up again at all you can have my electrons.

Let's stick to the original wager. The Coulombic forces will disrupt you if you give too many electrons. But your side is looking good because X-ray indicates he is Jan Petrina, also the stunt coordinator, so will he come back? On the third ✋,  he has appeared as an actor in the MCU. The tension is palpable.

5 minutes ago, Kudzu said:

Look mate, if I'm putting my hard earned electrons on the line I need to understand what the bet is.

Ok, Brah. Electrons don't grow on trees so we better made d**n sure we know what the bet is. You're in the figment camp. The bet is that the old guy seen running with the young FD, will reappear in Amazon, and prove he exists. A, perhaps, unreliable source on this usually reliable forum answered his name was "Owen." But for the purposes of this bet, that is irrelevant. My guess is he's a strong male channeler but his figmentshiphood is the only issue in the bet.

6 minutes ago, ArrylT said:

So I am going to assume he had extra motivation to attack & eat a member of a different tribe.

And that tribe was known for their peppery Chth'o'll'gr'dn flavor. 

3 minutes ago, Kudzu said:

So the bet is that the imaginary guy will show up as one of Allana's warders at some point?

No, Owein is now Maksim so should be a strong male channeler, or so they said.

10 minutes ago, ArrylT said:

Wonder if the Trolloc thought the other Trolloc tasted like chicken.

Now that's silly. Chicken in that world were known as Chth'o'll'gr'dn and tasted like pure pork snausage.

1 minute ago, AusLeviathan said:

Ah that's how Nynaeve killed him, should've remembered not to eat before going swimming.

It's a heartwarming thought to think of lad trolloc running out of the cave and his mommy yelling, "Wait 30 minutes before swimming my darling monster."

5 minutes ago, AusLeviathan said:

Let's just end it by acknowledging that it's one of the worst scenes ever written and leave it at that.

No, it was just fine. It introduced the Aes Sedai, men channelers, and the conflict between them, all in a few moments. Not to mention Owein who will net me a bunch of electrons when he returns. Oh..and Moiraine and Lan on a far away cliff.

1 minute ago, AusLeviathan said:

You could probably add a laugh track to the scene of Lan and Moiraine entering the

I laughed long and hard when big trolloc ate the intestines of little trolloc. It was a feel-good moment.

9 minutes ago, AusLeviathan said:

She did know that it was him or Perrin or Mat (not Egwene though because she was pretty clearly channeling Saidar). Kind of hard to miss when the Dark One's army was searching specifically for them (and only them).

So that's why she didn't fly down the cliff, etc. Thanks for the clarification.

2 minutes ago, Whittle said:

Might even be government mandated.

You're thinking of the Faceless-19 vaccine.

2 minutes ago, ArrylT said:

Trolloc Insurance before they went.

That comes with comprehensive, so yes.