16 minutes ago, DojoToad said:

It is not another turning with the same characters.  It is an adaptation.

TPTB are saying to think of it as another turning of the wheel. So why not just call it that.

18 hours ago, JenniferL said:

No, there does not. 

Yeahhhh actually it kind of does. Excellent comic relief

It may have played out better to call it The Wheel of Time: Another turning. Or something like that.

11 hours ago, Maximillion said:

Some of those scenes were quite good, but the Terminator chase down the street was ridiculous. 

In reality the sword would have probably been a bit too heavy for her and Mat and Rand would have waited for her, overpowered her and taken the sword off her.

 

Possibly the worst sequence in the series. Rand AND Mat running from a girl with a sword. Cmon Rafe. All said, i cant wait for next episode.

6 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

Cutting Falme wasn't something I gave much thought to, but it does make sense as we never really see it again.

The words cutting and Falme shkuld never be uttered. one of the best scenes in the entire series.

There HAS to be tbe Mat spanking Joline scene, i know tbats a long way off, but even so...

I'll have more to say after tonight when i watch E2 and 3. Without going into detail yet, 8/10 on episode 1. Favorite part, seeing Tam use the sword that will be hanging on my wall. 

1 hour ago, Apoc81 said:

They never  changed the lore. Moraine said they didn't know if it was a boy or girl. Who tf cares? It's a sentence made to keep new audiences in suspense. We all obviously know its Rand, so it's obviously a man. I agree its a dumb comment, but it literally has no effect on the show.

 

Look we are getting a simplified wheel of time. Anything else is unfeasible. The story needs to be cut and combined, or it will never finish.

I'm enjoying tbe show and do not expect a line by line clone. At the same time, they have 60 ish hours to tell the story, way more than a movie. If you take away Elayne's baths, all the skirt straightening, and braid tugging...it should be able to keep most scenes intact. That said I'm just going tk kick back and enjoy it.

On 11/11/2021 at 11:25 AM, Orel P said:

 

 

This gives me an odd sense of pride

I wonder if he's reached veins of gold yet...

13, Rand's least favorite number

14 minutes ago, Deadsy said:

Speaking of Min I just had a thought...

 

I wonder if the reason she doesn't show up until late into the season is because her visions (if they are similar to the book) will spoil the surprise.

Wow never even thought of that. I bet you’re right.

10 minutes ago, Deadsy said:

 

 

Not if they cause the actor(s) to get the character wrong.

Always a possibility. But I think Mat will still be Mat, so what if his dad was into some shady stuff. The Perrin fridging wife change seems unnecessary, but I guess helps with his over the top protectiveness of Faile.

My guess is the soul/gender thing. The Mat/Perrin backstory changes are inconsequential ultimately. The soul/gender change potentially and likely much more impactful to how the one power works.

7 minutes ago, MasterAblar said:

 

There was the term adversary used in Eye of the World I believe which could potentially be applied to whoever the Dark One opponent is in any given age. Did RJ actually say Amerasu specifically was a "female" dragon or just an exemple of a hero that could be spun out if a female hero was needed?

The latter

4 minutes ago, Beidomon said:

What a totally unnecessary mess this is. All because of an effort to “update the material” to conform to woke sensibilities.

Yeah I’m not sure why you upend the story to accommodate less than 1% of the population.

Nudity/Sex will help give the show some grit that GoT had. Water cooler conversation starter. That is a good thing.

4 minutes ago, Deadsy said:

 

 

It continues to amaze me how easily some people think it is to cast good actors that they can pick someone that matches the exact description in the books (dark features like Nynaeve), and this is adding an extra level of craziness where you go off of what you think people think Egwene looks like. Lots of people think Tuon is white.

People think Tuon is white? LMAO

56 minutes ago, DaddyFinn said:

Kae Alexandre has (she/they) in her instagram bio so people added 1+1=3

Well that would certainly be controversial lol

4 hours ago, RextheDog said:

i feel like im missing something here.

 

i havent seen reference anywhere online to Thom being cast aside.

 

i know hes not written out of the show, but hes a massive part of the opening book(and series), but every promo seems to just ignore his importance.

 

im really looking forward to this, i have decided to take myself down the path of just accepting any changes and rolling with them.

 

i dont care too much if Min is transgender. 

 

if done well, Perrin losing a first wife could really actually improve his story arc which is pretty one dimensionaly for long stints once Faile enters the scene, added previous trauma will help that storyline to me, not hinder it.

 

i think the whole 'which one is the DR' will be lost once the show gets up and running.

 

i dont see how putting Thom in the reserves assists the show though, hes so pivotal for Mat and Moraine, if they wait too long to bring him in, the whole Moraine letter thing will seem forced.

 

back to my main point though, what have i missed that everyone is so relaxed about Thom being virtually written out of those first scenes?

 

Where did Min being transgender come from? That would be unfortunate.

11 minutes ago, Beidomon said:

 

There's actually some pretty good discussion going on in this thread, but I gotta say, Elder - you really kicked things off with a Holy Strawman, Batman! Let's break this down:

 

"Your definition of 'woke' is....."

• "seeing lots of different cultures and people represented" NO. I don't think anybody has complained about this, at all. Everybody knows that Randland is FULL of different races, ethnicities, and cultures. What people have complained about, rightly so, is turning EF into some racial/ethnic melting pot. It wasn't in the books, and it waters down the concept of Rand being a rather obvious outsider. I think it's a relatively minor gripe compared to other changes (see below), but it is valid.

• "the portrayal of strong aggressive women who don't fit traditional gender stereotypes" Again, I haven't seen anybody complain about that, per se. Randland is FULL of strong aggressive women. Spear Maidens?! Aes Sedai?! What people are rightly annoyed about is transforming characters into today's counter-stereotype of "the girl-power warrior." Lots of writers don't know how to portray "strong women" in a visual medium, so instead we are treated to dumb displays of women with absurdly uncharacteristic physical strength and aggression. Now look, we have plenty of those actual characters in WOT, and that's all well and good. Birgitte, the Aiel, bring it on! But it ain't Nynaeve!! She's brandishing a knife when Lan enters the Winespring while all the men sit around like doofuses? She's getting the jump on a warder? (no, that didn't happen in the books and it's stupid.) She's physically besting a trolloc? ("maybe she used Saidar" LOL). It's woke, it's dumb, and it's annoying.

• "and the inclusion of gay and lesbian characters and sexual relationships;" Again, if it's in the books, fine. The concept of "pillow friends" wink wink made perfect sense in the context of the cloistered WT. If WOTTV wants to show some of that, fine. If WOTTV is changing character sexuality just because, then yes, that's woke and it is annoying. A great many fans, myself included, find woke sermonizing to be "on the nose" and distracting. We see it, and once you see it, it is tough to un-see it.

On that point, let's take a brief interlude for a JOKE. Everybody calm down... JOKE ALERT.

 

/JOKE.

 

Alright, so now I've taken your three things, parsed the "woke" from the "not woke," and explained why the "woke" is going to be a big turnoff for some of us. 

 

But the funny thing is that you completely ignored the biggest "woke" problem: making major plot changes. And you know what I'm talking about. Changing the lore of WOT so that the Dragon can be reborn as a male or female is a MESS that plays havoc with a central premise of the story. I (and others) have explained this at length in other threads, so I'm not going to rehash it again.

 

But I will make one final point. A LOT of the promotional material, interviews, etc. are really playing up the gender dichotomy that makes WOT somewhat unique. And that is absolutely true, and it is one of the things that makes WOT's story really intriguing and excellent. But the reason it makes the story so intriguing and excellent is because of the backstory that gave rise to the dichotomy (the taint, madness, and breaking) and the resulting struggles (gentling men, one of whom must by necessity be the DR, the Aes Sedai myopia, Rand's madness, etc.). But we don't hear about any of that all that much at all in the promotional stuff, do we? Instead, what we get is a celebration of the dichotomy! Which is exactly what I would expect from a woke media with no knowledge of the series - but it is NOT what I expect from the folks involved in the production. That is troubling. How deeply will it worm its way into the show itself? I don't know. Maybe not much at all. Maybe they're deliberately misdirecting the audience. Maybe. But it is not unreasonable to be concerned. Especially when we're getting bullsh*t like "one of you five."

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26 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

 

Rand demolishes the Trollocs at Tarwin's Gap.

 

Really looking forward to this one. Gives me chills every time.

Ha just saw the trailer on an NFL game! It made me check myself a bit on my complaining, a reality check in a sense. Going to try to just enjoy it and not over think it. I want to see Rand wreck forsaken. I want to see nyn and mog battle. Want to see Rahvin bale fired. Mat showing off his badassery. That kind of stuff. Keep the story aligned enough so we see the major events. I’m pumped again.

2 minutes ago, Deadsy said:

 

 

It’s pretty surprising people think they’re going to nerd out on the details like words no non-reader knows and confuse the shit out of people. That said it’s possible they will leave it out. But it not being mentioned yet isn’t very solid evidence. 

Yeah I never said there was evidence. But until it is mentioned, it doesn’t exist.

1 minute ago, WhiteVeils said:

Here's my current guess in terms of adding more representation.

 

They won't make Egwene the Dragon, of course. That's ridiculous.

However, Egwene might be gay.  Rand loves her still, she still expects to marry Rand. Two Rivers is remote and rural and you live the way you are expected to live, no matter what you personally feel.  Rand is a nice guy, a friend, of course she would end up with him.  However, over the course of the story, Egwene could realize (as she does in the books) that she doesn't love Rand in the same way he loves her.  This happens in the books, but the fact that Egwene is not attracted in that way to men could be an additional reason.

This gives us plenty of reason to remove Gawain completely, which people have wanted to do anyway.  Or they could keep him, but they come to a relationship similar to Lan and Moiraine, rather than a sexual relationship.  That'd be good too.  It gives LGBT representation in a major character with an actual coming out arc, but it doesn't change anything practical about the story at all.  

I would be 100% ok with that

5 minutes ago, Deadsy said:

 

 

Is anyone saying this? They’ve already showed that the channeling looks different. 

There have been 0 references to saidar or saidin.