About the naming someone thing? Is everyone supposed to do that?

 

General thought: game seems to be a bit more complex than usual for me, but this is my third full game, so I'm still pretty new to mafia I guess.

 

Thoughts on other players? Don't really have much yet. Other than curious as to why SK would vote for self and want others to vote too. Still trying to get a feel for folks.

This is an open game. Which means it is potentially a breakable game. Open games are games where the setup is known. How many town, how many scum, and their respective roles. Refer to page 1. The goal of the town or rather the cops is to figure out what flavor they are and then reveal their innocent/guilty. The goal of the mafia framers is to obfuscate the issue. The traitor is a player that wins with the mafia, but is not in their chat. And the mafia does not know whomst the traitor is. I am a fan of open games. In fact I am dogged with some of them and live to find the most optimal way to play as town in the setup. Do the cops claim? Probably not since their is no doctor, but when should they claim. The mod already made it hard for the scum with a night zero. the two sane cops are working away. You might say, but what about the two framers and insane cop? I say meh. They have to choose precisely the same person and the cops are persons they can choose from as well makes it harder for scum to win. So one must do drastic things to win this mountain of a game...Hence the self vote.

 

 

 

 

About the naming someone thing? Is everyone supposed to do that?

 

General thought: game seems to be a bit more complex than usual for me, but this is my third full game, so I'm still pretty new to mafia I guess.

 

Thoughts on other players? Don't really have much yet. Other than curious as to why SK would vote for self and want others to vote too. Still trying to get a feel for folks.

This is an open game. Which means it is potentially a breakable game. Open games are games where the setup is known. How many town, how many scum, and their respective roles. Refer to page 1. The goal of the town or rather the cops is to figure out what flavor they are and then reveal their innocent/guilty. The goal of the mafia framers is to obfuscate the issue. The traitor is a player that wins with the mafia, but is not in their chat. And the mafia does not know whomst the traitor is. I am a fan of open games. In fact I am dogged with some of them and live to find the most optimal way to play as town in the setup. Do the cops claim? Probably not since their is no doctor, but when should they claim. The mod already made it hard for the scum with a night zero. the two sane cops are working away. You might say, but what about the two framers and insane cop? I say meh. They have to choose precisely the same person and the cops are persons they can choose from as well makes it harder for scum to win. So one must do drastic things to win this mountain of a game...Hence the self vote.

I like this. I actually understood 95% of what you said.

 

And you clarified something for me as well.

 

 

Ignoring the multiple factual inaccuracies of it, what do you like about it?  As far as I can tell, he's suggesting that he's trying to find the optimal way to play it by self-voting.  In what universe is that ever going to be the optimal way for town to play it?

 

And I'm pretty sure the bold is another scum claim, so yeah...I'm at a loss.

 

He's sweatin. He's confused. He wants to vote, but what do. Sack up dude no pain no gain. ladies and gentlemen put this guy out of my misery. This is game 1. if aj runs this game 20 more times a optimal way to play comes out by like game 6, or someone breaks it sooner. Just because I like open games and enjoy finding the best way to play the game for the town does not dictate how I will play in game as town. I have more town reads than you do, so I say I am doing pretty well for myself on my way to letting town let me do whatever I want.

 

This is what I've compiled as far as results given so far.

 

N0 Results

1. Nolder - Ben is Innocent

2. BFG

3. Ironeyes - Clov is Innocent

4. Dar'Jen Ab Owain

5. LedZepMan - Leyrann is Innocent

6. Niniel - Refusing to give result for now

7. Leyrann

8. cory caboose - Nolder is Innocent

9. Clovdyx

10. Shitsure Kamimashita 

11. Sooh - Clov is Guilty

12. Gentled Ben

13. dicetosser1 

 

People not giving results are either cops or bad or bad cops. People who have given their result there is scum hiding their not sooh because scum are most likely to say someone is innocent. The traitor would not have given a result logicaly speaking. Call me awesome end game. I'm willing to lynch all of them. I have traitor on clovdyx I'll give you 4-1 odds that I am right. Also making a list proves you have nothing to say nolder. Death to the pretender!

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also n0 report guilty on lzm

 

 

So real quick question about the NO and then name, thing. What is the NO stand for and what is the significance of the name? I'm still really confused over that point.

it is basically someone saying they have a report on said person. A mafia would definitely do it to fit in. I do not recommend it...

 

night zero (n0) report - Dar'Jen inno. If I am the cop and die the person I named will be looked at. And it helps the actual/real cops hide amongst vanilla losers.

 

Was this an example or a report?

 

an example.

About the naming someone thing? Is everyone supposed to do that?

 

General thought: game seems to be a bit more complex than usual for me, but this is my third full game, so I'm still pretty new to mafia I guess.

 

Thoughts on other players? Don't really have much yet. Other than curious as to why SK would vote for self and want others to vote too. Still trying to get a feel for folks.

This is an open game. Which means it is potentially a breakable game. Open games are games where the setup is known. How many town, how many scum, and their respective roles. Refer to page 1. The goal of the town or rather the cops is to figure out what flavor they are and then reveal their innocent/guilty. The goal of the mafia framers is to obfuscate the issue. The traitor is a player that wins with the mafia, but is not in their chat. And the mafia does not know whomst the traitor is. I am a fan of open games. In fact I am dogged with some of them and live to find the most optimal way to play as town in the setup. Do the cops claim? Probably not since their is no doctor, but when should they claim. The mod already made it hard for the scum with a night zero. the two sane cops are working away. You might say, but what about the two framers and insane cop? I say meh. They have to choose precisely the same person and the cops are persons they can choose from as well makes it harder for scum to win. So one must do drastic things to win this mountain of a game...Hence the self vote.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

it is important for all villagers to leave seer cover in this set-up btw

 

the cool things is you dont have to worry about it too much, since how hilariously unreliable everything will be, but itll be good for data compilation later in the game

FWIW I had a long internal debate about this once the setup was announced. I was trying to decide if there was any value, and I pretty much came up with "not really, until one of the cops is dead". But even after that, we won't know which one flipped and which is alive - nor will mafia.

 

I don't know that I think SHC is completely worthless in this kind of setup, but it's definitely nowhere near as helpful.

SHC is totally useless IMO

 

too much V A R I A N C E

 

 

That's a huge contradiction. From one post to the next you just changed your stance on seer cover.

Think this could be a good look for LZM

I thought the opposite at first , actually. There are contradictions that matter for one's alignment, and then there are the kind people push because it's easy to call someone out for stuff that's completely inconsequential.

 

I figured it was null if he thought shc and seer cover were the same thing though

It's ~not calling out the contradiction

an obective spectator would say that it is not necesarily alignment indicative either way. You are just reading to much into lzm not reading clearly. Cory is saying that there is an optimal way to play this setup having played it before, It is independent of his thoughts on the setup. That is of course assuming several things but I digress.

Eh, I may well be reading too much into things, but it's not lzd calling out the contradiction or confusing shc and seer cover I can explain better later, but for now I want to see something play out.

 

I'm also not sure Cory's played this setup before, but regardless I don't see much value in seer cover in this setup to outweigh the negatives, but I may well be missing something

 

I would like that explanation now.

 

 

Not sure how to progress in this setup honestly. Still contemplating on how to move forward. Probably won't post much until I settle that in my head.

hehe I see what you did their. Classic.

Baiting eh?

 

I was talking about using the excuse of confusion to not do anything when the only thing that ever matters in a mafia game is to catch scum. The machinations of the game is meh at best. I am more than okay talking strategy If someone wants to go that route. flavored cop games are alright. If you can show me a town game where the setup confused you and you did nothing that would be points in your favor. Hit me with one, but do it in poetry form.

I'm pretty sure lurkers have been crushed in recent games, but that's besides the point.

 

As it relates to SK, I'll gladly lynch him if he doesn't do something to make me think he's worth keeping around.  I just don't think it's worth everybody jumping on him when essentially half the game has yet to make a meaningful contribution.  If he's town, you're absolutely right to say it's anti-town...but that doesn't mean he can't be.  It wouldn't be the first time town has claimed scum, for some bizarre reason.

 

 

And not going to turn this into a gun debate, but I'd much rather have access to one and never need it for self defense than be in a situation where I need one and don't have it.  I don't know any countries that outlaw kitchen knives.  Or machetes.

I am ready for GLORY. My ancestors are smiling on me imperial. Can you say the same? Stop with this dance and waiting for permission to vote me coward and do it.

Not sure how to progress in this setup honestly. Still contemplating on how to move forward. Probably won't post much until I settle that in my head.

hehe I see what you did their. Classic.

So real quick question about the NO and then name, thing. What is the NO stand for and what is the significance of the name? I'm still really confused over that point.

it is basically someone saying they have a report on said person. A mafia would definitely do it to fit in. I do not recommend it...

night zero (n0) report - Dar'Jen inno. If I am the cop and die the person I named will be looked at. And it helps the actual/real cops hide amongst vanilla losers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

it is important for all villagers to leave seer cover in this set-up btw

 

the cool things is you dont have to worry about it too much, since how hilariously unreliable everything will be, but itll be good for data compilation later in the game

FWIW I had a long internal debate about this once the setup was announced. I was trying to decide if there was any value, and I pretty much came up with "not really, until one of the cops is dead". But even after that, we won't know which one flipped and which is alive - nor will mafia.

 

I don't know that I think SHC is completely worthless in this kind of setup, but it's definitely nowhere near as helpful.

SHC is totally useless IMO

 

too much V A R I A N C E

 

 

That's a huge contradiction. From one post to the next you just changed your stance on seer cover.

Think this could be a good look for LZM

I thought the opposite at first , actually. There are contradictions that matter for one's alignment, and then there are the kind people push because it's easy to call someone out for stuff that's completely inconsequential.

 

I figured it was null if he thought shc and seer cover were the same thing though

It's ~not calling out the contradiction

 

an obective spectator would say that it is not necesarily alignment indicative either way. You are just reading to much into lzm not reading clearly. Cory is saying that there is an optimal way to play this setup having played it before, It is independent of his thoughts on the setup. That is of course assuming several things but I digress.

somebody quick! I need more votes!

 

 

Not sure what is gained on voting for yourself, but I suppose it has its purpose.

 

Is this another one of those things that will make more sense the more I play the game?

Probably not, tbh. But I don't have nearly enough idea of him as a player to really say if there's any sort of strategy behind it, so I'll guess we'll see.

He does weird stuff like this.

 

weird stuff??? You wound me. Also vote me.

Not sure what is gained on voting for yourself, but I suppose it has its purpose.

 

Is this another one of those things that will make more sense the more I play the game?

Yes the purpose is to die.

That's a bold move there Cotton. Let's see how it plays out for him.

No move. I'm scum.

I'll be back later.

[v] shitsure kamimashita [/v]

/in

Thanks ben I am okay I appreciate you asking and praying for us.

good game guys. I think we coulda had this one if not for me. that's my b doods, but life and loss of service happens sometimes lol.

[v] Ben [/v]

I do not think it was ever rand. He walked the line of believing his own nonsense. I do not like dj slot as they did not vote., Or bens self professed confusion and that is why I am mafia. makes no sense. I am still getting spotty intermemes here.

I think ben is most suspicious now. has self proclaimed confusion. I am not sure about rand. I would be okay lynching infiniti's slot.

I voted lzm to see his reaction/ how others would react.

Preparing for hurricane.

let me read.