dice/Ley might be the ~exact wolfteam

 

Ley -> Dice -> DJ -> ....SK/Sooh?  

 

is about where I'm at right now.  I am almost certain I would flip Dice and Ley from an uninformed pov.

 

lol you're prime lynch steak, but I'll vote you friend and bring down upon you white hot fiery justice all over your ahem. I mean. yeah, yeah. Vote dice. But hey do you dude free country.

 

 

You should ask me how afraid I am.

 

[v] clov [/v] lol

 

dice/Ley might be the ~exact wolfteam

 

Ley -> Dice -> DJ -> ....SK/Sooh?  

 

is about where I'm at right now.  I am almost certain I would flip Dice and Ley from an uninformed pov.

 

lol you're prime lynch steak, but I'll vote you friend and bring down upon you white hot fiery justice all over your ahem. I mean. yeah, yeah. Vote dice. But hey do you dude free country.

 

lzm you're supposed to wait until you have two guilties for double the memes. We still got all day. We can talk more.

Double the memes?

 

Yeeeees. I had you btw as cop. Not to toot my own horn hahahahahaha. praise me for guiltying you. or headpat.

@clov they're gonna figure out we're partners and that you unvoted me to save me (vote dice) cory'll never see it coming hehehe.

 

 

 

 

No, it's that you argued I figured out he was the traitor. One sentence:

 

Ben is dead because I chose for him to die.

 

 

I realize you don't know me. That's fine. Cory, BFG, and Sooh will assure you - if I'm mafia, there is 0.0% I figure out he's my missing teammate and help lynch him anyway. If you had argued I lynched him thinking he was vanilla town, that would be plausible...except I have no reason to switch there - I can stay on SK and let it go rand, unless you're going to argue I'm teammates WITH SK and hopped to save him (again, they will point out why that's never the case.)

You didn't do squat but buss him at EoD.

Go back and look at the vote count. It was 5-5, with Sooh missing, SK off wagon, and Ben off wagon. I could have stayed on SK and kept it 5-5 and it would have randed; Ben coming in completely takes the possibility away and sinks it.

 

 

And to answer your other point about why I unvoted, I already mentioned it. All of my nulls were voting SK. All of my top townreads were voting Ben.

Bolded is a lie. You have said twice you don't understand why I am in three peoples top town reads. But I voted Ben,parked my vote there in fact.

 

 

Okay, you're right - that is a literally incorrect statement.  I was null on Dice, I was null on Leyrann, and - at the time of his vote - I was null on Iron.  Meanwhile, I was townreading BFG, Niniel, Nolder, and Cory.  You were the sole null on Ben, Sooh was my offwagon townread.

 

Nothing is as good or as bad as it initially seems.

[v] dicetosser [/v]

is there any possibility the village would allow me to strongarm a lynch today? :angel:

 

i am almost entirely sure it will end in a wolf flip, and will give us another day before we have to pour through the seer mechanics, which looks like its gonna be soon :P

maybe. There is a deal in the back alley two dollars for two nacho supremes btw. pass it along tell cool kids only.

I say that because I am not willing to let ley go as a possible lynch today.

There is the possibility that lzm is insane.

lzm you're supposed to wait until you have two guilties for double the memes. We still got all day. We can talk more.

lzm nooooooooo

 

D1 Final Count

SK (5) - Dice, Marsh, Ley, DJ, Ben

Marsh (1) - Sooh

Ben (6) - Nolder, LZM, Nini, BFG, Clov, Cory

Ley (1) - SK

 

Not Voting:

 

would scum split their vote? I like ironeyes or ley for scum here. Or do they follow cory to get town points. hmmmmmmm. If anyone did follow cory it would be clov. This is probably town auto win. Cops could out and make things even more spicy. Ironeyes said something about why he plays bad. I forget what it was being scummy not scum, but going through with the lynch anyways because reasons. It probably makes him win out over ley imo. I await for lzm to do something as well.

n0 guilty lzm

n1 innocent niniel

 

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You're welcome

 

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Up to 28. I can def see myself voting SK here. His post style is different from the game we just finished (Suicide squad, he was scum) but the condescending tone and opaque logic are the same.

My initial town read of SK came from how much of a target he painted on himself, with the vote and claim. But with the meta talk from his last couple of games, I'm wondering if I can hold to that lol

They are all saying my meta is different everygame (i dunno). Marsh echoed that thought, but said he has unique insight into how I play and can read me, so /shrug.

This is yet another thing that parallels what you did last game. I said I could read Rand better than Darthe and you hyperbolized my statement, acting as though I had claimed a perfect ability to read Rand. You're doing the same here. All I said was that I see similarities between this game and Suicide Squad, but you misrepresented me by saying I claim to have "unique insight" into you. This is classic shade throwing and it's scummy.

 

That is not all you are saying. You are saying I am lynch worthy for these similarities because you are lazy and do not want to provide any sort of foundation for your claim of opaque logic. And last game you were wrong about rand and were the first to vote him. Tell me I am wrong.

 

Up to 28. I can def see myself voting SK here. His post style is different from the game we just finished (Suicide squad, he was scum) but the condescending tone and opaque logic are the same.

My initial town read of SK came from how much of a target he painted on himself, with the vote and claim. But with the meta talk from his last couple of games, I'm wondering if I can hold to that lol

 

They are all saying my meta is different everygame (i dunno). Marsh echoed that thought, but said he has unique insight into how I play and can read me, so /shrug.

[V]SK[/v]

 

This is actually less about him and more not wanting to vote Ben (n0 town). Outside of him, my Do Not Lynch pool is probably Niniel, BFG, DJ, and Sooh in that order. Maybe throw in Nolder if I'm feeling froggy

found it. like 10 pages ago on page 20/21

Dice is voting me because confusion, Marsh says I use opaque logic with no examples, and ley something about not wanting ben dead which is highly suspicious. expounding from leys statement you would have to infer he does not think anyone is particularly scummy. 35 pages in and no feelings one way or another towards anyone?? Well then. Marsh I am not sure his opaque logic claim makes little sense maybe if he provided examples of this instead of mimicking a general feeling that others have said in a more diplomatic way. They used the term confusing iirc I am surprised he has not provided examples or I should say am surprised no one asked him to Oh well I guess. Clov I am maybe most suspicious of.with his nonsense with his claimed dissapointment with cory, confusion regarding my self vote and stated reason for voting me. it's all very wishy washy. Also I have no clue how anyone thinks lzm is town. I could be wrong on clov with how much he is posting. He might be a cop like bfg and it is a false positive result of mine.

[v] Ley [/v]

I think I should vote ley here. I don't think I would have any traction on clov. Feel free to speak up though. I am more than willing to switch.

It should be noted that Clovs reason to vote me is the same as leys reason except clov said it waaaaay back.

Yeah, it seems like anytime someone doesn't understand what he's doing, his default reasoning is that they must be scum.

who is scum ben?

And so SK votes for me? I have not yet voted. Merely said I do not understand the reasoning of SK voting for self and have been considering voting simply because I was asked to. So my willing to consider complying as requested has marked me as scum? Just curious of your thoughts there.

 

And I still have not voted.

Yes and no. Yes because I am petty an expounded answer would be something like Dar'jen is just wanting to get a feel for an sk lynch. You can vote however you want. I'm just seeing what you do. And No because your lack of original thoughts and scumhunting seem sorta genuine. Just trying to get you to post more since you aren't really throwing the proverbial gauntlet into the ring just 'seeing' what is happening, but not commenting on how something can be scum/town or why something is more likely town than scum. Or who you feel good about in general, whose posts do you like to read. It makes it difficult to get a read on you either way.

I am not a fan of the first day as there is less to work from. I am afraid I will vote for town. I guess time builds confidence. Still a bit leary of being ignorant and looking foolish for making a poor choice.

 

Right now I don't have much opinion on anyone really. The one person I do not understand right now is SK in voting for self and then asking for votes. I suppose it's a way to see how people will respond, but it doesn't make sense to me. Part of me wants to vote SK just because I was asked to.

[v] Dar'jen [/v]

[unvote]

 

 

If you try to argue that you contribute no thoughts and blow off multiple people questioning you throughout the first day and a half, I'm going to laugh at you.  Yes, you ramp up close to EOD - that's why I don't think it's alignment indicative that you haven't been here.  But even beyond not giving many reads, you have been far more absent from the thread so far than you usually are.

 

Tell me I'm wrong.

 

I just imagine it's not something you'd find particularly relevant. I also don't think you'd have the level of care to actually express disappointment. Even if I'm lethargic, your villager game has plenty of lethargy as well. Doesn't feel like something you'd really think. Hard to vocalize it beyond "I feel its something you'd be more like to say as a wolf because it 'sounds better'

 

Just my gut response to it, I could be wrong, iunno

 

 

Not disappointment in the condescending dinosaur hat sense.  Disappointment as in "I have an expectation of what his contribution would be based on how he plays, and he is not yet at that level."

 

This has been a huge topic of discussion in other games, but I refrain from the concept of meta arguments as being generally valid. They give you a feel for the player a sort of baseline. Someone asked earlier if "this is how sk normally plays'. It requires the supposition that the person making the claim toward me is believeable, trustworthy, and does not have an ulterior motive, but why lie about how you perceive someone play or how they have played in past games you might ask. Therein lies the problem. You do not have to lie about your perception of someone play you simply have to adjust your feelings toward their play and your feelings may describe the play in a less than objective manner or in a more nefarious manner. Which leads me to: Is clov the cory whisperer? If clov has a 100% winrate against cory!scum then I would find it maybe plausible, because I do not know if clov is scum here. (yes I am that paranoid). I do not like this dance clov is doing with cory. I did egg on clov to vote me earlier I was expecting some nonsensical reason with a hint of irony or something paired with the vote it is almost as bad as bens reason to vote me.  Ben distracted me however. I am not surprised he voted me. Scum tend to lash out while trying to remain calm and collected going for the perceived easiest path of no resistance. If he voted me initally when I claimed scum I might have town read him for it like dice. He just claimed confusion like lzm has been confused and in a frozen stasis of do nothing. birds of a feather methinks. Their are two types of way to scum hunt. Inductive and deductive. A gut feeling is merely a way to say I have played this game 100 or so times in 10 of them I have seen players do x as scum therefore there is a 10 percent chance that player x is scum. So what is clov saying in his exchange with cory? and is corys confusion warranted? So far Clov has said no particular thing of value in any which way. He pushes that cory is a complete and total disgusting dissapointment then cory says nuh uh then clov says yuh huh but it's not alignment indicative. and I'm like whuuuuuuuuuuuut. I digress.

 

 

 

 

 

 

About the naming someone thing? Is everyone supposed to do that?

 

General thought: game seems to be a bit more complex than usual for me, but this is my third full game, so I'm still pretty new to mafia I guess.

 

Thoughts on other players? Don't really have much yet. Other than curious as to why SK would vote for self and want others to vote too. Still trying to get a feel for folks.

This is an open game. Which means it is potentially a breakable game. Open games are games where the setup is known. How many town, how many scum, and their respective roles. Refer to page 1. The goal of the town or rather the cops is to figure out what flavor they are and then reveal their innocent/guilty. The goal of the mafia framers is to obfuscate the issue. The traitor is a player that wins with the mafia, but is not in their chat. And the mafia does not know whomst the traitor is. I am a fan of open games. In fact I am dogged with some of them and live to find the most optimal way to play as town in the setup. Do the cops claim? Probably not since their is no doctor, but when should they claim. The mod already made it hard for the scum with a night zero. the two sane cops are working away. You might say, but what about the two framers and insane cop? I say meh. They have to choose precisely the same person and the cops are persons they can choose from as well makes it harder for scum to win. So one must do drastic things to win this mountain of a game...Hence the self vote.

 

 

About the naming someone thing? Is everyone supposed to do that?

 

General thought: game seems to be a bit more complex than usual for me, but this is my third full game, so I'm still pretty new to mafia I guess.

 

Thoughts on other players? Don't really have much yet. Other than curious as to why SK would vote for self and want others to vote too. Still trying to get a feel for folks.

This is an open game. Which means it is potentially a breakable game. Open games are games where the setup is known. How many town, how many scum, and their respective roles. Refer to page 1. The goal of the town or rather the cops is to figure out what flavor they are and then reveal their innocent/guilty. The goal of the mafia framers is to obfuscate the issue. The traitor is a player that wins with the mafia, but is not in their chat. And the mafia does not know whomst the traitor is. I am a fan of open games. In fact I am dogged with some of them and live to find the most optimal way to play as town in the setup. Do the cops claim? Probably not since their is no doctor, but when should they claim. The mod already made it hard for the scum with a night zero. the two sane cops are working away. You might say, but what about the two framers and insane cop? I say meh. They have to choose precisely the same person and the cops are persons they can choose from as well makes it harder for scum to win. So one must do drastic things to win this mountain of a game...Hence the self vote.

I like this. I actually understood 95% of what you said.

 

And you clarified something for me as well.

Ignoring the multiple factual inaccuracies of it, what do you like about it? As far as I can tell, he's suggesting that he's trying to find the optimal way to play it by self-voting. In what universe is that ever going to be the optimal way for town to play it?

 

And I'm pretty sure the bold is another scum claim, so yeah...I'm at a loss.

 

Then where's your vote?

Still on you?

Nice. That way you can always switch to SK for a hammer and say, "But I dissed him way back on D1, guise!"

 

shrug [v] gentled ben [/v]

I could actually see SK being town playing to break the game rather than win. I don't think that helps the town, though. This set up is weird enough without someone intentionally stressing the parameters just to see if they can ruin AJ's creation.

 

[v] SK[/v]

I try to help you out by moving focus away from you and onto clov and this how you repay me? tsk tsk. Nice try tony the tigger. I am okay with you dying as I do not know if you are actually scum. I'm will to 'toss the dice' and see if you are just lynch bait or actual scum. Also your reason to vote me screams desperation and panicking. Goodnight sweet prince.

I could actually see SK being town playing to break the game rather than win. I don't think that helps the town, though. This set up is weird enough without someone intentionally stressing the parameters just to see if they can ruin AJ's creation.

 

[v] SK[/v]

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