This isn't very meaningful because Turin was town. It's nothing for a wolf to make valid points against a townie while playing poorly.

I just spent awhile isoing verb, can a man get a break lol. We have a whole other day don't we?

I told you that I needed other questions to focus on, I want to look into it before answering. I can shoot from the hip if you want me to. I gave a pretty detailed reads list not long ago

Okokok, new things to focus on. I will look into this all when I am back. Darthe imo off the top of my head. verb had his read placed and never really pushed it, darthe had his comments at the end of the day towards verb and looked like distancing. I did not see that message, I forgot about the informant bit tbh since its not listed on page 1 I needed other focuses.... I will look into these after a game break I posted my thought when you took how he phased something about the town and immediately went. Op 3p! Vote lol. I can find my post l8er if you want

How is never reassessing your reads, or engaging once we have actual flips like you stated you were going to done anything lol. You have lied itt, only been beneficial in lynching a townie because you couldn't look past speculation, and now want to use it to clear yourself. Dude if I'm a wolf I ignore you entirely, help lynch dice or gud and then try to play Zander if I make it to the last day. I have 3 options to choose from, and your biggest thing is dpr was my neighbor lol. I doubt anything happens today with you but I want my thoughts known. Your making me go down a tunnel again and I need a break... jesus

He never jumpstarted anything and has been coasting on his 3 reads? All game. Ssorry, he disliked two.things about me lol. Me and Key read the game the same Turin calling him out and I am pretty sure I said something here. His excuse to jump.on the Turin wagon. His eod post His spec post that literally says it's bad for the game, not early, but just in general.

I get there is a difference between d1 and d3 man. I do. I do. I do. Speculation is still speculation and if you can't ignore it d1, when he is using it to try and clear his slot, how are we just gana be like sure makes sense lololol. It doesn't make sense with the setup...

The power levels make sense for both mafia teams to have a messenger skill... Verb has been one of the least helpful Townies, and I am sorry I just don't see the situation where he is Town here. Zander look at the bold above in your post. I don't think he ever would have claimed IF GUD didn't call him on it. The claim is wolfy af. If he was Town and going to claim it would have been one of the first things he did. If we are trying to balance a game where one mafia has a communication skill. Why not give the other team a communication skill???

Day 2 he says alot to say nothing. The only time he says something relevant is when Hallia is L-1 and he posts a hammer. He avoided gameplay for most of the day dude. Go look at this...."I think he pokes with a I have this post of sephs which make him scum... cmon man he has been riding this since d1 page 8

This is my ending post. regarding this.

I have a process here I swear lol. He made a bunch of easy reads. I dislike a post, they are a wolf etc, etc. Called Turin town, misrepped his post and hoped over to vote him based on a 3p slip which was pretty wild and outlandish to be honest. The only, and I mean only time Verbal has taken action this game was eod 1 when he voted Turin and the stated that he like his vote especially because of game speculation, the same exact thing he is trying to clear himself with now. The vote gets tied and Verb says he won't let the vote go to random, but what happens? HE IS ITT and it goes to random..

I have something but Zander talk to me, what did verb do day 1?

I want to hear from dice still. Verb is one of the last two Wolves.

If it's a T slot I need to understand lol.

How does a messenger balance it? I don't even see the usefulness of the role at all tbh, they have their own chat. No one will trust a random message as displayed in our game. I get the gist of what you are saying here, I guess I just disagree. You are saying mason's would be Lclear, IC would be lock clear, and neighbors wouldn't be?? Are you both not talking about Lock clearing the slot based on there being two wolf teams? or are we clearing the slot because of one messenger flip? I am questioning the logic.. but I want to understand and it would the last two wolves are in Gud/Dice. True, that makes more sense. I just can't seem to grasp it.

I feel like I am getting played here, can someone explain it like im 5. I am fairly certain this is what everyone including you lynched Turin for day 1...

There are only 3 choices for neighbor. T/T T/W W/W How is W/W exclusively negated by their being a messenger?? Someone help me my head is about to explode I pulled the relevant quotes I think, annnd I still don't get it. If there was a chance you could be alternate alignments like you stated, how is this a lock clear state for you? This is how you and zander are making it sound and I am just not wrapping my big head around this. A messenger in this game is mainly meant to chaos chaos right? I don't think I understand the purpose of this role and it just seems lackluster.... especially looking at the town.

I Think I read this backwards when I was reading through. Well I am glad I am being helpful somehow?? lol. I legitimately don't get this I guess then? Why could 1 mafia team have a neighbor, and one could not? They are separate entities each with their own power scales that go into balancing the overall game. Does town not seem superpowered based on the reveals so far? Turin is probably mad that we are finally discussing the game tbh lol.

I have literally jus been waiting for verb to join us and for people to get some thoughts out today and I come back to this.... I am kind of at a loss here because I was already viewing Verb as a wolf after re-reading last night. His gameplay was much slower than the last one here on DM I readthrough, by page 8 I could easily see him trying to solve the game. He was much more poke here/poke there but if he is a neighbor it makes sense that he was typing in chat. What doesn't make sense is for either to leave breadcrumbs about each other. I don't think they talked about each other's alignment at all which is worrisome, but you pointed that out already. I am sketched out by this and the fact the arsenal town has compared to the known wolf teams seems outmatched. Look at how powerful town has been. IC, Doctor with a vig??? , Watcher, neighbor x1 role block, cop(if you believe Turin) and you really think that we have town neighbors both with extra abilities??? Look at the mafia roles we have had so far. A messenger( which I don't see the usefulness of this game) and a vote stealer. I am by no means versed enough to be able to game this game but adding another T neighbor to this mix seems overkill. Here are my posts I saved that Had me worried before the claim. Verb came in saying his only wolf read of me was because of a key post and that he might need to reassess, the only thing he did was double down without an actual reason for his placement and moves me to the bottom of the wtl lol. I am sorry, I am not getting the same vibe from this, or him as you.

Maybe that was his last post with the hidden contents??orrr Dpr is alive!?!? lol

@DPR Is there something we don't know here? 1. @DPR Hercules Mulligan, Federalist. Town Neighbour and 1x Role Blocker. Killed Night 2

I will as soon as I can but It was before the turin lynch. He was catching up and made some awkward posts and a I believe he stated the vote was weird himself? I will grab the quotes in a min and we can see how well my memory serves me lol. I just got to work so gimme an hour or so.

To be fair, he is fighting while the thread presense of others has been low. I didn't hate his catch up post, it reminded me of some of the d1 daice ai liked. Dciding who I trust between dice and gud has been hard, but I think today has helped a little bit. Gud- I have hard pressed most of the game. I was leaning a nervous wolf since Day one. She has been responsive but I am worried that she might just have trouble giving her reads and thoughts as a new person. Her posts looked a little better tone wise yesterday imo. Dice- The type of posts like the list he just made is what made me feel good about him d1. He cleared up one of my problems and I think ai need to go back and look at the Turin eod to reread the part of his game I am questioning. I think there is a wolf between dice and gud. One of the last wolfs is verbal.

I found the posts I was talking about Dice. The anger I was remembering was definitely aimed at Turin and NOT towards me or dpr. They were close together in the thread and I wonder if my brain grouped them all together. I wish I would have just isod you the last time you asked because the little bolded tidbit does read genuine. I remember you getting upset over similar situations in past games