What? You think that was a coherent post I was commenting on? 

Patience, p<tience, abd stull more patience. (I don't know what gets by the way) vut patience, abd vut in the greek way where v in an en an and a u is a i. I by the way still want penies, but guess production takes what it takes. Penises, penises, penises. one must make a point. Penises!

Dude, you drunk?

 

The world moves on, and 5-6 years later nobody cares about these 'groundbreaking' tv series. The books, on the other hand, stay with the audience with much longer (2-3 decades at least.)

 

 

 

People are still excited about the new X-Files and Twin Peaks seasons and have picked up the old series to rewatch or watch for the first time. ST:TNG, a show which is 30 years old this year, still gets tons of viewers on repeats and Netflix (actually, so does the original and that's 51 years old). Far more people have watched The Wire in the 10 years since it finished than when it was on. So a really good, classic show will have quite a long lifespan.

 

TV shows that are failures won't be remembered for as long, of course. They're already talking about a new Dresden Files show ten years after the last one was a failure.

 

You forgot Firefly. More people will probably watch that show today on Netflix than when the show was actually broadcast.

Interesting. I wondered a while back if Apple was going to create original content if the Wheel of Time would be the place it landed

https://www.cultofmac.com/462093/apple-could-offer-original-scripted-tv-content-by-end-of-2017/

Interesting thought: we know now that Taim was originally meant to be Demandred and RJ changed his mind abruptly later on.

 

For the TV show, would people prefer:

 

1) Keeping Taim as Demandred and going with the LoC/ACoS depiction of Taim throughout, expose Taim as Demandred dramatically later on and just drop the whole Shara thing.

2) Go with the idea of Taim being a separate character and drop all the oddball references in LoC/ACoS that hinted he was a Forsaken.

3) Adapt the books as they are and just let the TV viewers get confused about it so book readers can explain it to them and feel superior later on.

 

There's probably quite a few issues that require judgement calls like this to be made.

They will probably eliminate or minimize much of the Eye of the World storyline since its so close to Lord of the Rings.

 

 

 

 

Surprised that no one mentioned that GRRM gave Westworld permission to have a Westeros world if they wanted it. I don’t think they are going to go in that direction, but thought it might be a fun way of bringing back Ned Stark, Robb Stark and other characters that have been offed in the prior 6 season.

 

Also, I’m not buying that the maze was just a children’s toy. Granted it might have been just a red herring, but it seems like it still have a larger significance than just a children’s toy.

 

 

 

Wait am I missing something? The maze is supposed to represent a journey of consciousness. "Not a journey upwards, but a journey inward." Like a maze. It was supposed to be a narrative that would help them learn about their true selves.

 

I’m sure that is part of it, but it has to be more than that. Remember the Man in Black (MiB) scalped an android and the map was on the inside of his scalp,  and after he massacred the lady and her daughter she picked up her daughter and died in the field where the maze revealed itself again. Either the writers didn’t know what the maze was when they wrote those parts in the show, or the maze has a larger more important meaning.

Not getting what the BFG reference has to do with a Wheel of Time adaption...?

 

Happy New Year! Where’s our TV show?

The latest rumour for the rumour mill...

http://www.wheeloftime.tv/2017/01/has-good-ship-amazon-sprung-leak.html

 

Amazon would make a lot of sense because they would make money off the book sales, the show, and any merchandise that they would sell also. They would do much better than HBO because so many people already buy stuff from them.

Nol, have you seen the original movie from the '70s? Cindy and I watched it last week and thought it was good. I'd never seen it before, although she had.

 

 

One story aspect that has been left out of the show was that the amusement park has other settings besides the Old West. I'm wondering if the show intends to work them in someday.

 

By the way: Can we lose the spoiler tags now? Everyone here seems to have seen the movie/tv show and wants to talk about it anyways. If anyone comes here to read the thread there’s nothing to ready anyways because everything is wrapped in spoiler tags. It just makes reading everything cumbersome.

Happy New Year! Where’s our TV show?     

Good stories never go out of fashion. If they are able to make the right casting decisions, and have the novels converted over to a good screen play then the series should be popular. It's a great story they just need to make the correct cuts and changes to make it successful on the silver screen.

 

 

 

 

There is the possibility that the deal was with Sony Starz and lionsgate taking over Starz just a month after Harriet's announcement put a hold on anything being announced and lionsgate then decided to shelve WoT in favour of there Kingkiller project.

 

 

 

If this is the case we can pretty much say goodbye to any chance of a WoT adaptation ever happening. The tv fantasy high will be well over by the time (10+ years) anything might happen with the rights and the books themselves will be too old/not current enough and all fans will have moved on. It would be a depressing end well fitting the curse-like bad luck this series has had regarding adaptations. Really hoping Starz didn't buy the rights.

 

As far as I see it WoT has a really short window to get on the air in order to be successful. It pretty much closes one year after GoT ends (barring some other fantasy tv show of similar popularity coming and keeping the flame alive). Once the GoT crowd stops longing for something new and moves on it's over.

 

 

 

Wheel of Time will likely arrive as a last gasp for high fantasy shows unless something happens beforehand. Which is very unfortunate. The series could make for an unbelievable show not to mention you could take the entire world and create many new and unique 'Final Fantasy' types of games that cover different characters and periods. 

 

 

 

I am actually starting to lean more and more towards wishing for an animated series. There would be far fewer moving parts and quicker to get into production and a greater likelihood that it would actually be finished.

 

I would take pretty much anything of quality at this point. 

 

 

CW could do a fun, lightweight version of WoT: The 100 is a decent show that doesn't hold back on ruthlessness, character deaths or difficult storylines. But it is very much an exception and you'd lose the opportunity to do a decent version of WoT elsewhere.

 

Based on the negotiations that were underway with Sony, my guess would be that Sony has bought the rights and would be discussing the project with AMC (their partner on Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul). Amazon I think would be very interested as they likely want a tentpole fantasy series. Amazon have also had a massive upheaval in the way their shows are bought and operate recently, which has put a lot of projects on hold, which would also go some way to explaining the long delay since there was any news.

There is the possibility that the deal was with Sony Starz and lionsgate taking over Starz just a month after Harriet's announcement put a hold on anything being announced and lionsgate then decided to shelve WoT in favour of there Kingkiller project.

 

 

 

If this is the case we can pretty much say goodbye to any chance of a WoT adaptation ever happening. The tv fantasy high will be well over by the time (10+ years) anything might happen with the rights and the books themselves will be too old/not current enough and all fans will have moved on. It would be a depressing end well fitting the curse-like bad luck this series has had regarding adaptations. Really hoping Starz didn't buy the rights.

 

As far as I see it WoT has a really short window to get on the air in order to be successful. It pretty much closes one year after GoT ends (barring some other fantasy tv show of similar popularity coming and keeping the flame alive). Once the GoT crowd stops longing for something new and moves on it's over.

 

Wheel of Time will likely arrive as a last gasp for high fantasy shows unless something happens beforehand. Which is very unfortunate. The series could make for an unbelievable show not to mention you could take the entire world and create many new and unique 'Final Fantasy' types of games that cover different characters and periods. 

We can probably pretty much rule out Starz as the channel it will air on. Lionsgate bought them in June and they are pushing ahead with movies and a tv show spinoff of Rothfuss' King Killer Cronicles.

So if we count out HBO as well, that leaves AMC, Fox, CW, Amazon and Netflix as channels.

I think that you can probably cross off Netflix as well. They still might be the home for it, but they've invested pretty heavily into the MArvel universe. Of course, it's also possible that WoT was purchased by Disney and Marvel Studios. I think of the stations listed above I think Amazon and FX are most likely while the CW is least likely. Honestly, I think so low of CW that if that's where WoT lands I may not even watch it because it'll just be a campy version of Hercules.

We can probably pretty much rule out Starz as the channel it will air on. Lionsgate bought them in June and they are pushing ahead with movies and a tv show spinoff of Rothfuss' King Killer Cronicles.

So if we count out HBO as well, that leaves AMC, Fox, CW, Amazon and Netflix as channels.

I think that you can probably cross off Netflix as well. They still might be the home for it, but they've invested pretty heavily into the MArvel universe. Of course, it's also possible that WoT was purchased by Disney and Marvel Studios. I think of the stations listed above I think Amazon and FX are most likely while the CW is least likely. Honestly, I think so low of CW that if that's where WoT lands I may not even watch it because it'll just be a campy version of Hercules.

I have to wonder if Red Eagle Entertainment is still involved somehow because this seems like an oddly long wait after Team Jordans announcement.

If Wheel of Time finds itself on a network that depends on commercial revenue during the broadcast then there will be a high chance that the series will suck. Just saying that this show is going to be expensive and will take a network like HBO, Netflix, or Amazon to do it justice.

I guess I don't understand what your asking. The last battle was the final battle of the series.

 

For the things with Elayne and Egwene... it's not that those things are uninteresting. It's just that they drag on for far too long and are repetitive within themselves. I didn't mind them so much in the novels (although those parts are far from my favorite) because when I'm reading a novel the extra nuance can be good. In a series, they wouldn't need to be completely omitted but just a side plot for a couple of episodes while other interesting things are happening.

 

I'll also say that those plot-lines drove me nuts when I was reading the books as they were released because they kept me away from the events and conclusions that I found more interesting in that sometimes those events weren't covered in the book and I'd have to wait 2 years for the next book. In a re-read where the waiting isn't an issue it's not as big of a deal.

 

I'm also with you on Matt/Tuon. That dragged on a bit. So did Faile's time being a Shaido prisoner. Again, those things aren't uninteresting as much as they moved slowly.

 

 

I agree with you almost totally, except the bolded part.

 

How would you solve the side plots? Would you give them a full episode or two (as "filler" episodes), or would you rather put 5-10 minutes of them into every episodes?

 

What is your ration on the main story vs side plots?

 

The only truly bad book in my opinion was book 10, but I haven't reread it since the first time, so it might hold up better the second time around. First time I read it I thought it was the final book, so you can imagine my frustration when I was 1/2 way through it and there was still no final battle to be found anywhere.

I think that nudity where it is presented in the book to further the storyline forward is appropriate, but I wouldn't show nudity just to show nudity. 

 Fans need to accept that the show needs to appeal to a new audience to justify the amount of money they will be pouring into it. That will drive changes and omissions to plot lines. The show will be a separate animal from the books and will need to be if you want to see the show to a conclusion...assuming that it actually gets made someday.  

It will be interesting to see which direction they take the Wheel of Time though. They could either make it a darker version of WoT like Game of Thrones or a lighter version like Shannara or Magicians. Personally, I would like to see a darker version. When the Mydrahl and the Trollics show up I want it to be more like a horror show not necessarily gory but definitely suspenseful. I want the Foresaken to actually have some teeth and feel the danger that they pose every time they are shown on the screen. If they can capture that then in my opinion they will have a winner. 

 

I still wonder if they might make it a story about Egwene and Rand. Their storylines tend to mirror one another.

 

Thematically, this reinforces the principle male/female dynamic of the books. The first book sets us up to think that the main characters are Rand/Mat/Perrin and Egwene/Nynaeve are support, but when you step back and look at the whole story then it is really Rand and Egwene's stories, with Mat, Perrin, Nynaeve and Elayne as the secondary main characters. RJ plays a bit of bait-and-switch with the reader there. Whether that's because he didn't envisage Egwene being so crucial at the start or he deliberately planned to switch things around, but I think taking the approach of Rand and Egwene being the main POV characters from the start is valid.

 

You would have to consider some restructuring though. There's long periods in the second half of the series where Rand is doing absolutely nothing of interest (Far Madding was, rather blatantly, late-developed filler material just to give Rand something to do) and there's quite a few periods in the first half where Egwene is off-page doing training montages with the Aes Sedai, Moiraine and the Aiel Wise Ones. You'd have to equalise things a bit.

 

The restructuring of the storylines would eliminate much of the fat that was included in the second half of the books due to Rand, Perrin, and Mat getting to their end games sooner than the others. You can still have Perrin and Mat be important characters, but the main focus just being on Egwene and Rand.

I still wonder if they might make it a story about Egwene and Rand. Their storylines tend to mirror one another.

Maybe others know what your ONs and OFFs are supposed to mean, but I don't maybe you can share your methodology with us.

 

(Netflix) “The Crown” is a 10-episode series about the British royal family and its parliament in the second half of the 20th century. At $13 million per episode, on average, “The Crown” is right up there with the most expensive TV show ever, which, according to Statista data, was “ER,” which also cost $13 million an episode.

 

As part of the push, Netflix released “The Get Down” from director Baz Luhrmann in August. The show, detailing the birth of rap and hip hop in a burning late-’70s South Bronx, cost $120 million, or $10 million per episode, to produce. That ties the 12-episode series with “Friends” for the third most expensive TV show measured by episode.

 

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/netflix-is-pouring-money-into-some-of-tvs-most-expensive-shows-2016-09-28

 

What are you trying to say here?