Obsessed? Your DM password is probably LD4LIFE! You named your pets Lie and Detector. I think you’ve moved slightly past obsessed 🤣

Nothing. If everyone read Vig in Key’s scene and ed is an uncountered Vig (and Mafia wouldn’t know if there’s a Vig or not) I think we gotta clear ed as Town

You never named a role. Pretty sure you specifically mentioned not being LD lol

I didn’t read a post by you that said “maybe I have a role and maybe I don’t… who knows?” Cause I swear I did But whatevs

I read that as Mafi!Darthe trying to create collateral damage. He’s smart about that sort of thing. It’s been my experience that it’s the things he spends time on that are the most important to look out for.

No. He even walked the claim back and said he may or may not even have a role. And it’s Turin, so it went on for, like, forever. Was it AI? That is the question

Off topic regarding SD, but here’s the progression of Darthe accusing Heavy of being coached and what followed Is it distracting or just good old fashioned omgus?

@SinisterDeath This was the vote count before you voted. 1. You misunderstood the rules and thought it was a hammer game - okay - and you thought it only 4 votes to lynch - okay - but you were at L1. So to prevent a mislynch of Darthe, and because of spite toward Turin, you started a pointless counter train, and left yourself open to a mislynch of yourself? Or focusing on spite, you were so overcome by Turin pushing you (and everyone) to vote that you decided it was more important to vote him and leave yourself open to a mislynch? A town player knows that they are town - it’s the only thing they know for sure. Leaving yourself open to a hammer vote because of fear of a smaller strain leading to a mislynch or because of spite doesn’t sound very plausible

But does that even make sense?

He said he did it because he thought it was a hammer game and he wanted to avoid a mislynch on a town player.

I can believe this

@Tigraine This is SD’s vote 30 mins before deadline

Does Mafia!SD start the game with a TWTBAW strategy and keep it going to the point of moving his vote to ensure his own lynch? Only to have dice pull a last minute save?

Does Mafia!Darthe accuse Heavy of being coached if they are Mafia together? I gotta go back and look, but when Darthe started pushing that, I don’t think I’d voted him yet. Were we looking at over-confident Darthe doing a little triage on Heavy shifting gears from emo to calculating?

Permission to speak freely lmao

Darthe was sussing you during all of our back and forths. Dathe had me and Turin as Town vs. Town and you as “coached” Mafia. Game theory points to there being a wolf among the three of us:(DPR/Turin/Heavy) And If we have ed as Vig, that puts the third wolf among Tigs/dice/SD

Here’s a question for everyone except Turin (no offense, but your biased lol): Has Turin been gamesolving or sowing confusion?

So in a nutshell, you’ve got dice and SD as the last 2 mafia?

Okay Why was Darthe voting SD? Because SD was an easy place to park a vote and make Darthe seem like he was active? Or, if SD is mafia, distancing. Why was SD not protecting himself? If SD is to be believed, because he really thought it was a hammer game and he wanted to move to night without a mislynch. Or, if SD is mafia, because he thought Darthe’s role was more valuable than SD’s? The crux for those question lay in whether or not SD is acting, or playing a genuine game. Which one do you think?

Also, if you feel speculation isn’t helpful, how should we hunt the wolves?

As the uninformed majority, the only advantage the Town really has is our ability to talk and reason through who the wolves are. The trick is to posit what-ifs without descending into rabbit holes

This was the last vote count before dice moved his vote to Darthe, 5 minutes to deadline. He gave it a moment longer before his last-minute jump to Darthe His vote was on SD all day and he never brought up any case against Darthe. He waited until the last minute to move his vote - something a player does when they don’t want to give anyone else time to counter their move. Question 4: Is this pretty much Occam’s Razor? Question 5: Why be so obvious about it? Question 6: Is it possible that the Wolves just wanted to get to night so that they could pull out the big guns we can’t see and maybe wrap up the game?

We do have some strange behaviors to account for: - SD has in fact spent much more time talking about non-game topics than anything related to the game. Is he just free associating his way through the game? Or is there a post restriction in play? I’ve leaned toward the former, but with that 50% chance on Darthe’s role, I can’t ignore the possibility of the latter. Then we have dice’s last minute vote. He’s given an explanation for it, but it still sticks out like a sore thumb. If I look at it for face value, it’s easy to think he protected SD from a lynch. And that’s after his vote was on SD all day. Why?

Which brings us to: A Vig claim is easy for Mafia to make - they can back it up and say the other NK was role locked or whatever Darthe did kindly leave us that remark when he said we could do something with a Vig, RB, Jailkeep plan. But ed is uncountered and that scene says what it says. So I’m keeping ed in my Town core Question 4: Does this seem correct?

Agreed, and I often make the point that themes are for flavor only. However, it wouldn’t be the first time a mod has breadcrumbed a little something into the narrative. I also don’t think Key would have worded something to misdirect us. However, however - I’m in no mood to game the mod, so it is what it is. I’m just trying to put together the current state of the game in my thoughts.