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WoT If...The Wheel Is Just Showing Off?


Mashiara Sedai

In August, I wrote a three part series on the conclusion of The Eye of the World. For this week, I want to do something similar with The Great Hunt. There aren't nearly as many questions for The Great Hunt, but there are some. And one thing I really enjoy about The Wheel of Time series is looking deep into these specific scenes and finding unanswered questions. But, before we start:

 

Spoiler warning! This will include content from many books in the series, including Towers of Midnight, and speculation about A Memory of Light. Please read at your own risk.

 

Also, this WILL NOT contain spoilers from A Memory of Light's Prologue, Chapter 1, or Chapter 11. Please refrain from posting any spoilers from A Memory of Light in the comments section. The A Memory of Light spoiler discussion board can be found here.

 

The ending of The Great Hunt begins, in my opinion, at chapter 47, "The Grave is no Bar to My Call." To refresh your memory, Rand, Mat, Perrin, and Hurin just left Falme; Ingtar stayed behind to try to cleanse himself of the evil he had done. As they leave the town, the Seanchan army advances from behind them, and a Whitecloak army advances from ahead. They are stuck in the middle with nowhere to go.

 

The interesting thing during this scene is that Rand knows he has to "go back" to Falme. This is one of the first examples of the Pattern forcing the characters to do its will. And later, Hawkwing confirms that this moment was destined by the Pattern.

 

"The Pattern weaves itself around our necks like halters," Artur Hawkwing said. "You are here. The banner is here. The weave of this moment is set. We have come to the Horn, but we must follow the banner. And the Dragon."

 

We discussed this a bit when we talked about Perrin possibly going against the Pattern, but I'm going to point it out again. Hawkwing, who has been summoned by the Horn of Valere, who has more knowledge than any living man, says the Heroes will only follow the Dragon. This is the complete opposite of Moiraine's insistence that the Horn could be sounded by Darkfriends and used for the Shadow's side. Robert Jordan had this to say on the matter:

 

Question: Hawkwing says they follow the banner and the Dragon. Moiraine says the Heroes will follow whoever winds the Horn. Was Moiraine wrong?

 

Robert Jordan: *Arch look* Moiraine doesn't know everything. She was speaking the truth as she knows it...However, she is correct in that whoever sounds the Horn "controls the Heroes."

 

Question: Then what happens if the Dragon and the banner are on opposite sides of the conflict from whoever sounds the Horn?

 

Robert Jordan: Then we get a [rift] in the Pattern.

 

First off, this confirms, I think, that Moiraine was incorrect about the Horn being used by the Shadow, at least in this instance. Since Ingtar wanted to change sides, if he had blown it, the results would have been the same (likewise for Verin). However, if another Darkfriend had sounded it, a rift in the Pattern would have formed. No Darkfriend, with the intent to use it for the Shadow, could have sounded it at this precise moment. The Pattern wouldn't have accepted it.

 

Also, in regards to Hawkwing, one thing I've always wondered is why the Seanchan don't notice Hawkwing is fighting against them? Surely they have historical books, or even paintings, to know what he looked like. Albeit, not many were able to get a good look at their attackers, but Min was able to see Birgitte, so some Seanchan should have. And, as fond as the Seanchan are of omens, their ancestor kicking their butts should have made them sail back home as quickly as possible.

 

Another thing of interest is Birgitte's reaction to Rand when he says he needs to save Egwene.

 

"And—and there is a girl. Egwene al'Vere. A novice from the White Tower. The Seanchan have her prisoner. You must help me free her."

 

To his surprise, several of the small host behind Artur Hawkwing chuckled, and Birgitte, testing her bowstring, laughed. "You always choose women who cause you trouble, Lews Therin." It had a fond sound, as between old friends.

 

Obviously, as Heroes bound to the Horn, they have all of eternity in Tel'aran'rhiod. This is such an interesting concept. Think of how well they all know each other. It gives a new meaning to the term "life-long friends."

 

But, when Birgitte is ripped from Tel'aran'rhiod, she has a completely different view of Rand.

 

Winter's Heart

Chapter 12, "A Lily in Winter"

 

"Him?" Birgitte said softly. "Mother's milk in a cup! She could have fallen in love with a cutpurse or a horse thief, but she had to choose him, more fool her. By what I saw of him at that place you mentioned, the man's too pretty to be good for any woman."

 

Why would her fondness and feelings of friendship disappear? She still has most of her memories, so she should still remember him as Lews Therin, like in The Great Hunt. This is something that's never made sense to me. Perhaps when she speaks to him again, since his epiphany on Dragonmount, she'll like him once more.

 

A popular theory right now is that the Horn actually pulls the area around it into Tel'aran'rhiod. Many people speculate that this is how Rand will die and live again (a la Neo in The Matrix). There are a few things in The Great Hunt that point to this conclusion.

 

One is that time actually stops once the Horn is used. Rand thinks that "no time at all had passed since the Horn was first blown, as though time had paused while the heroes answered the call and now resumed counting." We know time in Tel'aran'rhiod is different from normal life, so this could be an indication that they are in the World of Dreams. Another is that Min sees Birgitte shoot arrows at the Seanchan, and the arrows catch things on fire. This special ability could also be seen as proof that they are in Tel'aran'rhiod. Birgitte says later that "My bow is the ordinary sort, today" (The Path of Daggers, Chapter 6, "Threads"), so it is special while in Falme. Also, Rand and Ishamael fight in the clouds. I don't think there's any way this could happen in the real world.

 

Going into that a bit more, why does their fight go into the air? And why is it broadcast all over the world? Moiraine says Rand's battle was seen by everyone in the area (The Great Hunt, Chapter 49, "What Was Meant to Be"), and Taim confirms that he saw Rand in the sky as well (Lord of Chaos, Chapter 2, "A New Arrival").

 

Robert Jordan says that this mirage of their battle was done by the Wheel, not the Creator or the Pattern:

 

Question: At the end of The Great Hunt when Rand and Ishamael were fighting in the air above Falme, they appeared in the sky over many places and my question is whether this is something done by the One Power or something done by the Creator? How did they appear in the sky?

 

Robert Jordan: An effect of the Wheel, really. It wasn't the Creator. The Wheel is more than a simple mechanism. Remember the Wheel can spit out ta'veren, can spit out Heroes as a self-correcting device because the Pattern is drifting from what it is supposed to be. We are not talking about something as simple as a spinning wheel at all, we are talking something more along the lines of the most complex computer you could possibly imagine. There were at that time, two, there were false Dragons that had a chance to create a lot of disruption. By the appearance in the sky at that battle, not just in Falme but in other places, those false Dragons were taken off the board because there was only room now for one, for one Dragon.

 

That only slightly answers the question. Why would the Wheel want the battle to be seen by everyone? Maybe the only point was to thwart the False Dragons? Maybe it was so the world could prepare for Rand's coming? Maybe it was when Rand actually became the Dragon? I think it more likely that happened when he took the Eye of the World, though.

 

This is also an isolated incident. There are more important events that happen through the series, but they don't receive this kind of attention from the Wheel. And it was after this that Rand lets himself be named the Dragon Reborn, not during. In fact, it was five days after the battle that Rand finally "made his decision." So the argument that happened because he was announcing himself doesn't hold up.

 

So, what's the point? Brandon Sanderson said in an interview that this was a "Pattern Level Event," so there must be some reason why the Pattern, or the Wheel, wanted it shown.

 

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the Wheel did it to show off. It's as simple as that. The Wheel is saying, "Look at this miraculous thing I created. Here is my hard work, come to fruition." All the events after the Breaking, the Aiel fleeing, being chased and hurt, finally settling in the Waste; all the events after that, making peace with the Cairhien, the Jenn dwindling, the start of Rhuidean; all the events after the clans were formed, agreeing to see their secret past, the war against the Oathbreakers, Maidens heading for Tar Valon. ALL of this had to happen for Rand to be where he was. Look at all the work, all the planning, the Wheel had to do to get things in motion, to get the outcome it wanted.

 

Why did it pick this scene to show? I've got the answer to that too. What better way is there to bolster the good guys and send fear into the hearts of the bad guys than broadcasting the Shadow's defeat around the world?

 

That's all for this week. Next time, we'll take a closer look to see whether Birgitte will survive the Last Battle.




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Hello fellow WoT Theorists!

 

I think you are all very close to my own opinion. Short response: The battle between Rand and Ishamael appeared in the sky everywhere because the Wheel needed the entire world to KNOW (not merely believe or wonder) that the True Dragon had been reborn and that it was time to follow him and unite behind him if there is to be any hope of the Wheel of Time continuing to exist after the Last Battle..

 

I think that whether or not the Wheel is neutral is somewhat irrelevant. It is merely attempting to preserve itself, which puts it on the side of The Light by default. I think it's pretty clear that the Dark One wants to negate creation and break the Wheel. If you are THE Wheel of Time, you don't want that to happen. No more Wheel, no more Pattern, no more threads, etc. So the Wheel is indirectly on the side of the Light, if only to preserve itself.

 

So the Wheel spins out the Dragon (and other ta'veren and heroes) to try to make things right for it's own preservation. But even that is not enough.

 

The biggest, most oft-recurring theme in The Wheel of Time is this: We are stronger, better for each other, and better for the world, when we unite and stand together against the Shadow. When we are divided, scattered, and leaderless (or if we have TOO MANY leaders), the Shadow prevails. Everything the Shadow has done or sought to accomplish has been to divide the people. From altering the Seanchan prophecies, to turning Hawkwing against the Aes Sedai, to the Black Ajah orchestrating the Breaking of the White Tower. Everything Rand has done (especially since Veins of Gold, but before that as well) has been to try to get people to work together, by force if necessary.

 

In order to continue existing, the Wheel needs all of humanity to follow the Dragon Reborn. Not a false Dragon, not the Aes Sedai, and not some random King or Queen who inherited whatever power they have. The REAL Dragon. Now if they had some form of mass communication in Randland, then that could have been used to let everyone know that Dragon had been reborn. But since they didn't have that, the Wheel did the work of informing everyone, not to show off, but to put the planet on notice that Doomsday Clock to the Last Battle has started ticking, and that the entire world must line up behind Rand for it's own survival, and for the continued survival of the Wheel of Time itself.

 

Peace, folks! Water and shade and all that...

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@Metal Head

have to agree... the wheel is neither good, evil, or neutral, it exists to continue...

 

i highly doubt that the wheel actually has the ability to make anything happen... that much said, i dont believe that the wheel was capable of simply displaying their battle in the sky because it wanted too... however, the wheels job, is to spin... it had spun out a method of causing the battle to happen in the sky...

 

as such, as RJ said, its an "EFFECT of the wheel"... but not the wheel itself... the only other unique thing that happened, was the blowing of the horn of valere... which to my mind, is the effect of the horn, and which was triggered at that time, because of the wheel's spinning of the horn(and the banner)...

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@metal head.

i always considered falme the true birthplace of the dragon,not tear when rand

took callandor.

i agree with you about the wheel,whether or not the wheel is neutral is immaterial,its all about self preservation.

let's look at falme again:rand's company was trapped between two armies,

with the banner and the horn,was it coincidence? it was more likely a manipulation from the wheel.

the whitecloaks army was annihilated in seconds,no more than cannon fodder,well,it was more like damane fodder,and like mashiara said

some of them were good men,misguided maybe,but good men,so does the wheel care?

no it doesn't. it uses everything in its arsenal for its purposes.

its more like huge game of chess,you lose some,you win more(hopefully),

and the horn is just a powerful tool nothing more.

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@metal head.

i always considered falme the true birthplace of the dragon,not tear when rand took callandor.

actually, dragonmount is the true birthplace of the dragon reborn... falme was his procolomation of return, and tear was his confirmation...

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Re: Birthplace of Dragon...

 

I see where you're coming from, jack. I've had similar thoughts, but I thought there were several "literary birthplaces" for The Dragon.

 

1. As mark noted, the physical birthplace of the Dragon in this age was Dragonmount.

 

2. Shienar was the place where Rand first learned that he is the Dragon. So in a sense, that was the birthplace of the Dragon's awareness, though he didn't really accept it until TDR.

 

3. Falme was where Rand declared himself, and announced to the world that he was the Dragon, despite not being too sure about it. So this was the Dragon's "public" birth, so to speak. His "debut," for lack of a better word. Mark's choice of the word "proclamation" is perfect.

 

4. Tear was where Rand finally convinced himself that he's the Dragon, so Tear could be said to be the birthplace of the Dragon's acceptance of his own fate. This was a highly pivotal moment, because up until that moment, Rand was, I believe, still hoping for a way for it all to be not true, but his uncertainty was unbearable, so he went to Tear on his own rather than listen to Moiraine tell him all the way there why he should be doing something different. If he wasn't the Dragon, he'd have died in Tear. But if he was, then he'd have a lot of work to do. Like they said in Shawshank Redemption: "Get busy living, or get busy dying."

 

5. Then there's Veins of Gold. There is ZERO coincidence that this chapter took place on Dragonmount's peak. Once again, Dragonmount in VoG was the "rebirth" of the Dragon, or more specifically, the rebirth of Rand 'al Thor. When he came down off that mountain (Apples First!), he was a changed man. He had become what the world needed him to be: not just a champion, but a leader as well. Rand 'al Thor was born on the slopes of Dragonmount, but the Dragon that the world truly needed was born on Dragonmount's highest peak during Veins of Gold. In a sense, this was a "higher" form of birth (reintegration), and so it occurred higher up on the mountain. Unlike his physical birth, this time The Dragon birthed himself.

 

Okay now, back to work!

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