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WoT If...The Double Bond Unites The Towers: Part 2?


Mashiara Sedai

 
Hello, all.  Welcome back to "WoT If?", Dragonmount's weekly theory blog.  This time, we'll continue our look at the Warder bond.  As always:

SPOILER WARNING.  This will include content from A Memory of Light.  Please DO NOT read this if you have not completed the book.

Last week, I suggested that the bond connects the two participants' souls.  For this discussion, I want to look closer at the double bond formed by Pevara bonding Androl and Androl bonding her in return.  Before we look at that, though, I'd like to examine both bonds a bit more.

The Aes Sedai/Warder bond is formed by the Aes Sedai with saidar.  The Aes Sedai is the leader of the pair—in vows as well as in the physical manifestation of the bond.  Sisters can force their Warders to do things through the bond; we see that when Myrelle receives Lan's bond:

 

Lord of Chaos
Chapter 52, "Weaves of the Power"
 
"Be quiet," Myrelle hissed. In a louder voice, she called, "Come to me." The horse did not move. A wolfhound mourning his dead mistress did not come to a new mistress willingly. Delicately she wove Spirit and touched the part of him that contained her bond; it had to be delicate, or he would be aware of it, and only the Creator knew what sort of explosion might result. "Come to me."
     
This time the horse came forward, and the man swung down to stride the last paces, a tall man, moon-shadows making his angular face seemed carved of stone. Then he was standing in front of her, standing over her, and as she stared up into Lan Mandragoran's cold blue eyes, she saw death. The Light help her. How was she ever to keep him alive long enough?



However, this practice of using a form of compulsion on their Warders to do their bidding doesn't seem to hold true for men who can channel.  When Alanna bonds Rand, he is not subjected to her compulsion.  The conversation between Alanna and Verin shows it:

 

Lord of Chaos
Chapter 11, "Lessons and Teachers"

"Well. Now that you have him, what are you going to do with him? Considering the lessons he taught us. I am minded of a fireside tale when I was a girl, about a woman who put saddle and bridle on a lion. She found it a fine and wonderful ride, but then discovered she could never dismount and never sleep."
     
Shivering, Alanna rubbed her arms. "I still cannot believe he is so strong. If only we had linked sooner. And I tried... I failed... He is so strong!"



Her "trying" had to be using the bond to make him heed her words.  Obviously she would have tried it.  But she failed, and it's because he is too "strong."  So, that leaves the question of which strength is it?  Is it because Rand is ta'veren or is it because he is a channeler?  We don't see any other instances of an Aes Sedai compelling her Asha'man Warder in such a way, so I'm assuming it's the channeling that gives them immunity to this device.

On the other side, though, the Asha'man bond is quite different from the Warder bond.  The Asha'man bond was discovered by Canler, and it's "something like the bond between Warders and Aes Sedai" (A Crown of Swords, Chapter 27, "To Be Alone").  How similar, and how different, are they?

When Logain bonds Gabrelle and Tovaine, we see he has absolute control over them.  Gabrelle thinks:

 

Crossroads of Twilight
Prologue

She had never had a Warder—they were needless flamboyance for Browns; a hired servant could do all she needed— and it felt peculiar to be not only part of a bond, but at the wrong end of it, so to speak. Worse than simply the wrong end; this bond required her to obey, and she was hedged about with prohibitions. So it was not the same as a Warder bond, really. Sisters did not force their Warders to obedience. Well, not very often. And sisters had not bonded men against their will for centuries. Still, it did provide a fascinating study. She had worked at interpreting what she sensed. At times, she could almost read his mind. Other times, it was like fumbling through a mineshaft with no lamp. She supposed she would try to study if her neck were stretched on the headsman's block. Which, in a very real way, it was. He could sense her as well as she could him.



So, what happens when the two bonds are mixed?

After a horrifying linking experience, Pevara bonds Androl without his permission.  Then, in retaliation, Androl uses the Asha'man bond on Pevara.  This results in their emotions circling back on them—her feelings get reflected to Androl, which get reflected back to herself.  Overall, it's a very crazy concept.

As time progresses, Androl and Pevara begin to consciously develop the bond, forming a sort of telepathic connection.  They can essentially read each other's minds—and with greater ease than Gabrelle could read Logain's mind.

So, here's my conclusion: the Asha'man/Aes Sedai double bonded combo will serve as the catalyst for binding the two Towers together.

Once the events of the Last Battle settle down, it seems likely that others will follow Pevara's and Androl's example.  There are many advantages to their enhanced bond.  It was very useful as they ran around looking for the seals.  If every Asha'man/Aes Sedai combo had that sort of telepathic connection, they would be very powerful. 

But the main reason is that the connection gives equal status to both participants.  The Aes Sedai is the weaker one in the Asha'man bond, and the Asha'man weaker in the Warder bond.  The double bond gives them equal status, which would be advantageous to both the White and Black Tower.  I think every channeler bonded to another channeler will agree to add on the extra bond.

There are other things to speculate about the single bond.  First, would the Asha'man suffer the pain of losing the Aes Sedai?  In the prologue of Winter's Heart, Gabrelle says, "Or it could be that this bond is like the Warder bond in more ways than we know. Maybe he just did not want to experience the two of us executed."  Here, she's implying that if Logain's bonded Aes Sedai were killed, Logain would suffer the unbearable pain of the broken bond.

And if the Asha'man dies, does the Aes Sedai go into the "death rage?"  Rand wonders about this in Knife of Dreams.  He thinks, "The Asha'man bond differed from the Warder bond in some respects, but in others it was identical, and no one yet knew the effects of an Asha'man's death on the woman he had bonded" (Chapter 27, "A Plain Wooden Box").  It seems likely that the death of the Asha'man—the bonder—would cause the Aes Sedai—the bonded—to die as well.  Or at least suffer from the "death rage," and want to kill themselves.

The double bond would either cancel out both negative factors, or make them a hundred times worse.  I could see that if Androl died, Pevara would feel the cutting of the Warder bond more keenly than the other, since that was the bond she initiated.  If Pevara died, Androl would feel the cutting of his initiated bond, feeling the pain of it, but not suffering from the "death rage."  It seems logical that each would feel the bond they created the most, and the loss of the other would be a lesser reaction; they would feel the pain, but not experience the "death rage."

On the other hand, with their near telepathic connection, perhaps feeling Androl die would be so emotionally shattering that it would kill Pevara instantly.  If their minds are linked, as well as their emotions, they probably wouldn't be able to separate their own feelings in time to survive the loss.

This is a tough one, and I'm not sure we have enough information to go on.  Personally, I'd like to think the former situation would work—since it's very sad to think both would die.  If they did, I'm not sure the price of the double bond would be worth it.

So, what are everyone else's thoughts on the subject?  Please let me know!  That's all for this edition.  Next week, I want to look at the "importance" of Moiraine.  Thanks for reading!

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I would think that the most advantageous, or tempting, reason for the double bond is the ability of both channelers to access the One Power while linked.  Usually the male would lead the circle, however, Pevara discovered that she had the ability to channel as well while Androl was weilding both halves of the True Source.

The greatest accomplishments of the Age of Legends were made by male and female channelers linked together.  Think of what could be discovered or accomplished by a linked pair where both are able to channel both halves of the True Source.  This was almost why the Bore was created in the first place; a source of power that both males and females could tap into.  Now the True Source can be utilized by both, if they are willing to bond each other.

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Wallyrocket, you are right!  I had forgotten about that part.  But it raises the question of whether it was a Talent anyone could do (with the double bond), or if it was something only Pevara could do (a Talent, like Foretelling that only she can do).  Or, to phrase it differently, was it something that can happen at any time, or was it a factor of it being the Last Battle with the Pattern getting stretched thin? 

 

Wotfan, I think that would be a definite advantage of the double bond, too.  But, again, it's not sure if accessing each others Talents is possible.  Say for instance that Elaida became part of a double bond.  Would the Asha'man be able to Foretell too?  Maybe, but maybe not.  Since Talents are tuned to the channeler, I could understand a double bond letting the other person have access to the innermost Talents they possess.  But, with Foretelling, it's hard to say if it would affect the other bonded.  There's plenty of room to speculate.

 

One other thing I should have mentioned about the single bond: will the Asha'man's wives suffer from the "death rage" if the Asha'man dies?  Are they bonded like a Warder, or is the bond to them different?

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another funny thought, during elaine/aviendha/min's bonding to rand, min couldnt channel... if a non-channeler was double-bonded with a channeler, would they gain the ability to channel?

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but min has bonded rand, even if the bonding weaves were laid indirectly... so if rand were to bond her, it would again be a double-bond... so, would she gain access to saidin?

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But since she doesn't have the ability, she's not the one actually weaving the weaves of the bond, so she couldn't be able to access either saidar or saidin.  There's a logic to it that mind mind comprehends, but it's difficult to put into words.  A double bond works on two channelers.  Min couldn't be part of a bond like that because she can't channel to begin with.  Does that make sense?

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Mashiara, it is important to remember that the Aes Sedai were not sure wether Elaida's Foretelling was Power related as such. Androl's Talent is with Travelling, which is a Power related ability. It did not do much in the LB in any case, as Demandred had the ability to manipulate gateways, and used it at least once against Androl.It is also worth mentioning that these types of bonds would have amazing potential, but as you have mentioned it would have unpredictable repercussions if they were ever severed. Cool theory in any case!! 

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@mashiara i still dont know... min absolutely can be part of a double bond, she bonded rand, even though the weaves were laid indirectly. i cant say how the double bond with a non-channeler would work, but its definitely possible to do so.

so hard to say for certain, i just dont have enough information!

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@wotffan4472 yes, we must distinguish between power related talents, and non-power related talents, clearly something like creating terangreal, or androls gateways, are a power related talent, whereas min's sight, or dreamwalking, and many others, arent.

 

that much said, we know some AS have foretelling, and some damane do too, but have we heard of anyone having the foretelling, without the ability to channel? are you sure it isnt a power-related talent?

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Foretelling is Power related.  It is referred to as a Talent which, in Randland, represents something of the Power.

 

Mark, Min is bonded to Rand, but I think it's the same way a Warder is bonded to an Aes Sedai.  We know someone who can't channel can be bonded in such a way, and I think that was what happened with Min.  We can go back and forth all day long, so I think we're going to have to agree to disagree.  :)

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i agree there mashiara :P but, id also say that androl is bonded to pevara as a warder too... i dont think the bonds are any different, except that mins was woven indirectly as she couldnt do it herself...

 

and hurin's sniffing was also referred to as a talent, as was the wolfbrother, and dreaming/dreamwalking, doesnt make them necessarily power-related

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You may be right, Mark.  Perhaps the others are called Talents as well.  I thought they were called something different, or at least referred to as a talent with a lowercase t.  Either way, Foretelling is only shown as being manifested in channelers, so I think it's safe to assume that it's specific to channelers.  We have no evidence to even suggest otherwise.

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agreed :) but then the question is, since androl's gateways are a channelers talent, and pevara could use it, would someone doublebonded with a foreteller be able to use foretelling?

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Mark,

 

I don't think a double bond situation would allow the non-foretelling channeler to "use" foretelling   It is not a Talent that can be used.  It simply happens to the person.  This is what makes it difficult to determine if it is power related.  Like Min's ability, she has no control over it.  Now take Dreaming, Egwene was able to control that Talent. Would the double bond have the Talent-sharing effect on that?  

Come to think of it, all the abilities to view the pattern have little to do with channeling.  Min, Egwene, and Perrin all have ways of seeing glimpses of the Pattern with their specific abilities.  So maybe foretelling is just another way of doing this, but for channelers. 

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Mark,

Mashiara

 

the double bond would work on min without question it even says the weave around her was identical and therefore no different than elaynes  I think you are saying it would be different because you are thinking of double bondies being linked also which is why min would not be able to channel saidin because she cannot be any part of a link until elaynes ashaman warder makes a ter angreal using her one power related talent to make a ter angreal that lets them link somehow lol

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What happens when myrelle gets the double bond idea in her head she has an asha man or two or ten and she will insist on it with all her other warders what a mess or a great orgy

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And if I go that far and she does have multiple ashamen they could bond her other warders to them as well so now we have triple bond sets or more with secondary bonds some of which are same sex and therefore would also have the mirror aspect that elayne and birgette shared on top of linking I dont know if they would start saying we instead of I or if they would be able to think enough to talk im slightly dizzy and bond link mirror free  @.o

 

myrelle-warder myrelles bond

ashaman bonds myrelle to warder like with min as well as bonds myrelle

also bonds warder now myrelle bonds ashaman to the warder and her

so we get 3 people each double bonded to both others in a triangle makes sense enough

but add one more ais sedai or ashman and....

 

then just for fun lets visit the wise ones while linked and become siblings

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go home jakjak, you're drunk.

 

on a more serious note, the concept is very interesting, but it also creates a very strong headache...

 

if all the benefits of all the bonds are shared by all the members of a series of bondees, that would create some nigh-super humans out of people that are already well above par... *shrugs*

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