[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

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Official Vote Count:

 

Liz (2) - Sili, Hallia
Lenlo (1) - Besie

Besie (1) - Alanna

Sili (1) - Lizabeth

 
 
Not Voting (2): Katiora, Lenlo
 
 
Deadline: Wednesday, June 15th, 10:30 PM CDT
 

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

Did Liz even mention that I was the first to strongly back lil's claim against Clov so Clov couldn't get away if he was a wolf?

Look at the iso. I pointed out exactly what you did with links to what you did.

 

You first said "oh right! vote clov"

 

Then you immediately backed off and unvoted sayign you weren't sure that lily was telling the truth.

 

Then you waffled back and forth coming up with reasons why lil might not be telling the truth.

 

Then you never actually managed to vote when it would have counted.

 

That's what happened. Show me where I'm wrong.

 

It was more than a vote.

 

Even after I unvoted there is true progression backing lily's claim while people came on and commented. How the helld id you miss that?

 

 

Oh I'm sorry. I should be adopting your interpretation of your actions without questioning it.

 

 

 

 

Sili votes clov immediately after Lily says he’s not town, says he didn’t trust clov, then backtracks immediately and unvotes

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668149

 

TMI

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668150

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668151

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668160

 

Now claims he thought Clov was the cop (even though he was just saying that he didn’t trust him)

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668162

 

Wants lily to claim fully even though she already has, says some people won’t believe her, but he still hasn’t revoted

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668173

 

still avoiding a lynch on clov even though has said lily is likely telling the truth

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668235

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668236

 

trying to argue about town PR roles, although I agreed at the time  

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668246

 

More TMI:

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668270

 

Throws out suggestion of lynching outside of lily or clov after pointing out that HAVE to lynch one today and the other tomorrow

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668330

 

Starts saying he’s reading her intent as townie, then questioning her competence

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668353

 

Expresses annoyance that he missed his vote opportunity

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668373

 

Says there’s no way that Lenlo is mafia when he was arguing with me last night that scum buses each other unnecessarily all the time so that didn’t clear Kat

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668374

 

Puts “pretend” vote on clov

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668375

 

Alanna and Sili not voting (I was at work)

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668382

 

Now claiming he wanted to hammer when Hallia was clear she planned to hammer

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668395

 

Goes back to wanting to lynch lenlo (depending on what happens next makes it “next to impossible” that they’re team mates)

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668402

 

Now claims that kat’s treatment of wish makes her town when he was arguing that I was scummy for making the same point last night

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668414

 

Saying the wolves have been fighting him all game, calls lenlo a wolf but then maybe not a wolf

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668429

 

Trying to establish distance from Wish

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668430

 

Now giving a reason for why lenlo should be left alive to lylo

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668466

 

why is he afraid of a TOWN vigilante living to F3?

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668468

 

I will just respond to a couple points. Reference to a vigilante refers to a scum vig at f3 which means town always loses.

 

I thought clov could be a cop before then, and I also had my doubts about him. And you can have speculation without being sure - that's what being a villager is. lol.

 

I gave a lot of reasons about lenlo. Lot of things that go against what I want to do because I'm trying my best to win and help town now that bfg is gone. Someone needs to have patience here and approach each problem from as many angles as possible. =/

 

You point out inconsistencies like it's a bad thing but they're not. Good luck trying to lynch me liz.

 

What the ****

 

(almost swore there...you really test my censor Sili....)

 

Wtf is a "scum vig"?

 

Scum have night kills. they don't need a vig.

 

But keep going. Go on. What is a scum vig, Sili?

 

lol are you for real?

 

is this an attempt at a derp clear or something? because that's denied straight off lol.

 

What is a "scum vig" sili. Explain it to me like I'm five.

 

 

 

 

So far your so called case looks more like fishing for reasons to fos me rather than critically thinking about my alignment.  I'll continue reading just in case though.

You're hilarious. seriously.

 

Your argument with me the other night was you fishing for reasons. Basically no matter what I responded you were going to try to make me look scummy for it. What I did was basically outline clearly what you did and when you did it for other people to see and draw conclusions about it.

 

No.. what you did was you cherry-picked.

 

 

I spotted two interesting things and questioned you about it trying to make up my mind. The argument was unnecessary.

 

 

I was actually pretty thorough in putting together those posts for the iso. But go ahead, pull out the posts that I missed that show something different.

 

 

 

So this is more trying to dismiss what I say by generically using derogatory statements instead of actually trying to show me where I'm wrong.

 

Show me where I'm wrong sili. I brought you clear facts. Show me where I'm being dishonest.

 

Still catching up.

 

I have showed you where you are wrong. You should try defending your arguments and then maybe if I believe they have merit I won't call them bad.

 

 

You're doing it again. Just wanted to bold it.

 

You're trying to say that this whole exchange between us is me not defending my arguments, now?

 

And where have you showed me that I'm wrong? Because I haven't seen it yet.

 

 

 

 

Question: Have you ever seen a scum put in almost a 1000 posts?

 

Maybe Tom did, once, but I wasn't there for it. I've played like 200+ games and besides that it's never happened.

 

Suggesting that I am scum is silly imo.

You just bragged this game about posting 700 posts as SK. SK is scum.

 

Typically not what people mean by scum. I meant mafia of course. And you think there's a third party?

 

Hell most villagers don't post 1000 times in one game, but it at least happens. lol.

 

 

That's what I mean by scum. Scum is nontown.

 

And no, I dont' think there's a third party. I was asking about how you played as SK because I wanted a sense of what your range is. And since you just won a game as SK, I don't see that it's that far out of the realm of possibility that you might have transferred some of what you learned to this game. And at the beginning before flips we wouldn't have known whether or not an SK was likely in the game. I didn't bother following up earlier, because as I explained (which you conveniently forget) I never saw any answers to my question except for yours and  I was reading you as town by mid D1 and the SK  question was mainly theory testing/reactions testing that never went anywhere. But now it becomes relevant again because I don't read you as town anymore.

 

If you don't think there's a third party then why are you bringing it up? It's not relevant. I posted 1000 times this game, according to you as a wolf.

 

Were you not the one to say that it seems I played sk similar to how I play as town? That is completely true.

[Sili Quirrels]

Sorry about that long quote. I didn't know there was so much baggage because I was just looking for one specific thing on the page.

 

Does anyone remember liz posting yesterday?

[Sili Quirrels]

trying to argue about town PR roles, although I agreed at the time

 

i ask because liz said this and i hadn't noticed. i scanned the page of the post she linked and the next, but didn't see her.

[Sili Quirrels]

FINAL Vote Count:

 

Clov (5) - Lily, Lenlo, Katiora, Besie, Hallia

Lily (1) - Clov

 

 

Not Voting (3) -  Sili, Alannalynn, Lizabeth,

 

CLOV HAS BEEN LYNCHED.  WRITEUP COMING MOMENTARILY!

 

this is the eod tally. liz didn't vote. i can't see her on the current page.

[Katiora]

My brain hurts. Someone look back at sili's arguments and see how many were scum and how many were town???? If no one does I will tomorrow when I'm not on a phone.

 

Just curious

[Sili Quirrels]

i had a few things in my box from when i iso'd liz. may as well speak my  mind about them.

 

 

 

Ftr I thi.k zander coupd still be a wolf too, ive just no reason to actively pursue it and a few reasons to think he isnt

This seems....convenient...

 

Long winded way of explaining that he is a town read but not out of his wolf range.  I'm not voting there today.  

 

 

yes, I got that...which is what i was saying seemed convenient.

 

seems like natural progression and i'm not sure i see what you see.  from what i remember of your progression you were nursing a zander scum read just because he kept asking lil to explain her gut read.

 

it's not a very strong reason and probably not enough of a strong reason to think that darthe was partners with zander just because darthe refuses to vote him.

 

 

I'm tired, stop yelling at me

Yes, I'm reading your posts. We wouldn't be having this conversation if I weren't. Maybe I misread what you were doing with your response on Clov, but look back at your post yourself and tell me you didn't word it weirdly.

As for the post I quoted about you and Dice, you're either accidentally or accidentally on purpose missing my point.

I originally quoted one of your posts where you said that people have a hard time reading you and cited that Shad and Cory can read you well but they're not in the game (the top 2). I was questioning you on that because you had previously stated that Dice was top 3/4 but he's in this game and you didn't mention him in the post where you cited Shad and Cory.

Can you understand why I would want to follow up on that?

 

 
Im sorry
 
I didnt word it weirdly.
 
LIZ I MENTIONED DICE DIRECTLY IN THE QUOTE WHERE YOU ASKED ME THIS!!!!!
 
Im sorry but again if you read it its there I even quoted it again in blue and enlarged it
 
So no i have absolutely no understanding of what your on abbot eh.

 

SORRY!


I did miss this. Sorry...

 

I noted this because it seemed to be a trend.

 

Nothing special to comment on now that i think about it. could have easily been a genuine mistake.

Sili votes clov immediately after Lily says he’s not town, says he didn’t trust clov, then backtracks immediately and unvotes

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668149

 

TMI it was a bad sequence of posts i guess. i hadn't fully pontificated my read on clov because there was a lot of peer pressure and i tried to explain it here all in one go.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668150

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668151

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668160

 

Now claims he thought Clov was the cop (even though he was just saying that he didn’t trust him) this is poor reading comprehension.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668162

 

Wants lily to claim fully even though she already has, says some people won’t believe her, but he still hasn’t revoted she never did actually. i had to ask for her first peek, and it was zander, but even then she didn't explain all her decisions and pointed to her breadcrumbs. i don't think she was able to however.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668173

 

still avoiding a lynch on clov even though has said lily is likely telling the truth yes, i said lily was likely telling the truth and that is the post you never linked. I was the first one to argue that lily rarely does this as a wolf.

 

in addition i explain why i'm reluctant to vote clov in a few posts. so this is just pathetic.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668235

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668236

 

trying to argue about town PR roles, although I agreed at the time   you AGREED AT THE TIME. were you around?

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668246

 

and you agreed with me, so then why imply my reluctance to vote clov is wolfy.

 

More TMI: that's really reaching. this is just speculation.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668270

 

Throws out suggestion of lynching outside of lily or clov after pointing out that HAVE to lynch one today and the other tomorrow i

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668330

i quote this for you. i may have said somewhere that we should lynch one of them, but i in no way say that lynching outside of them is a good idea unless we're absolutely certain. do you disagree with that logic, and if so, why?

 

No matter what, we should gaurantee we get mafia today or tomorrow, and this means we only lynch outside lil and clov if we are completely certain we get a wolf.

 

 

Starts saying he’s reading her intent as townie, then questioning her competence this is how a villager does research. he finds the things that seem wolfy and the things that seem villagery and he weighs them. it might be confusing for a wolf, but no it's not strange. i do not have tmi and i do not know all the answers.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668353

 

Expresses annoyance that he missed his vote opportunity

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668373

 

Says there’s no way that Lenlo is mafia when he was arguing with me last night that scum buses each other unnecessarily all the time so that didn’t clear Kat Liz should know what i said - that kat was somewhat less than cop cleared, not that it didn't look good. liz, this is false-equivocation, intellectual dishonesty, and misrepresentation. Blatant misrep.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668374

 

Puts “pretend” vote on clov you never explain why this is relevant to you i don't think. you leave it for people to guess why it is relevant.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668375

 

Alanna and Sili not voting (I was at work)

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668382

 

Now claiming he wanted to hammer when Hallia was clear she planned to hammer

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668395

 

Goes back to wanting to lynch lenlo (depending on what happens next makes it “next to impossible” that they’re team mates)

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668402

 

Now claims that kat’s treatment of wish makes her town when he was arguing that I was scummy for making the same point last night false equivocation. wrong. dishonest. again.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668414

 

Saying the wolves have been fighting him all game, calls lenlo a wolf but then maybe not a wolf why is this important? same as above.
 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668429

 

Trying to establish distance from Wish

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668430

 

Now giving a reason for why lenlo should be left alive to lylo

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668466

 

why is he afraid of a TOWN vigilante living to F3?

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668468

the rest not worth responding to or i already did respond to.

[Sili Quirrels]

My brain hurts. Someone look back at sili's arguments and see how many were scum and how many were town???? If no one does I will tomorrow when I'm not on a phone.

 

Just curious

2 with clov. none with wish.

 

2-3 with liz fwiw.

[Sili Quirrels]

one argument with clov was about my eraly fos of seph. that was a sustained thing and i tried to be patient, but later i bring it up and he's still stubborn about it. he condescends to me repeatedly.

 

the other time was about the quality of my vote on wish. he was trying to argue that it meant nothing, and i was trying to argue it did, and he ultimately submitted to the hard facts, but still tried to leave room so he could go back and call me a wolf later if it came up.

[Sili Quirrels]

Liz might ahve been lurking yesterday the day clov was cauhgt. no idea why she would have lurked though, but her phrasing implies she was there and i don't remember her posting.

 

maybe i'm wrong? i don't know.

 

but if no one remembers otherwise this is really scummy and a sign she's a wolf through and through.

[Sili Quirrels]

i read liz's iso of that day twice, and i opened half the links, but i didn't find the post where i say that clov shouldn't be worried about what happens after his death because we'd know after he died that lil was a wolf.

 

that comment really does never come from a wolf who is trying to save clov. the comment basically condemns clov to anyone on the fence, and was part of the reason i was siding with lily even though i felt like clov's tone was still strong and there were too many prs.

[Sili Quirrels]

The way i see it, Lizabeth quotes all my posts except the two most villagery moments that on their own refute all her arguments with respect to that day.

 

In other words, Lizabeth cherry-picked the posts that looked the worst in her tunnel. She framed it as bad as she could. And now she is 'convinced' I am a wolf. Furthermore, the meat of her case is based on a fraction of my content and she believes that's enough to post-humus lynch me.

 

Lizabeth is NEVER a villager.

[Sili Quirrels]

Luckily it was easy enough to find because the link to the end of D3 is in the OP.

 

I was going to include the links to all the posts related to that conversation so Sili can't accuse me of "cherry picking", but it got tedious and people can just follow it for themselves.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667900

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667901

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667912

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667914

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667915

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667916

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667918

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667920

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667923

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667924

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667925

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667928

 

I'm done for now. I'm going to stop clogging up the thread.

Wait a second. Didn't realize until now that you were linking posts from day 3 that are almost completely irrelevant to the meat of your case.

 

Lot of effort for no reason.

 

 

here, these posts i feel are valuable and you left them out of your iso.

 

 

lily knows the stakes. game probably doesn't have 5 wolves so this probably isn't lylo. she says clov is a wolf and claims cop and clov is town then she dies tomorrow. pretty straightforward. lily wasn't on the chopping block either so therefore if lily is a wolf and is lying we have a pretty good idea of who her buddies are. laine liz for instance.

 

.. Clov if ur lynched and flip town theres no need to remember what u said about lil. We lunch her like we lunched big z last game.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

So this is more trying to dismiss what I say by generically using derogatory statements instead of actually trying to show me where I'm wrong.

 

Show me where I'm wrong sili. I brought you clear facts. Show me where I'm being dishonest.

 

Still catching up.

 

I have showed you where you are wrong. You should try defending your arguments and then maybe if I believe they have merit I won't call them bad.

 

 

fyi, for people who don't want to read all the grit of the last few pages, such as kat, here i am in part referring to how liz didn't actually respond to my partial refutation of her iso.

 

you can look at all that if you're indeed curious. it's easy to spot. liz's iso is the thing with lot's of links.

[Sili Quirrels]

I went over stuff a couple times. I missed a couple points liz brought up in a big wot, in blue.

 

well, yeah, if you are a cop you should n ever ever ever imply multiple town leans are actually peeks because that will confuse town if you get nkd. that's just basic stuff here. nor is it really that difficult to avoid calling people for sure town. i'm pretty sure i've done that in this game and i have like 850 posts.:

 

I'm just pointing out that it's been a pattern with you this game. And when did she imply that multiple town leans were peeks?

 

By omission I must assume you agree with the logic. Furthermore I quote the town leans in the post you are responding to. I shall go fetch the quote chain to demonstrate this.

 

If there is a pattern of sound reasoning and affirmative action then I am happy with this. But I think you mean there is a pattern of dismissal. This is how I play Lizabeth: I attack the reasoning and if the responses are inadequate I attack this failure as well.

 

i play with lots of people. sorry if i don't know how half of them play? I wasn't dismissing it as too verbose to read and I said as much at the time and I don't see why you wouldn't have read that. Is it that  you don't believe me? I read your post several times. I was noting that it was verbose compared to the actual content. that sometimes matters."

You literally said: TL;DR. And then you proceeded to twist what I was saying about my read on clov, saying that I was saying that he was acting funny this game and that's why I was reading him as more likely town, where what I was saying is that he was acting "funny" for what I expected from him in the previous two games where he was actually scum and I didn't feel as comfortable about my town read on him in THOSE games.

 

 

 

 

I may have misread Lizabeth's comment, and that was apparent when I paraphrased, but I think Lizabeth is blaming me for twisting her words into a statement that shaded a wolf. It was completely unintentional (also funny in retrospect hehe), but it was not why I was paraphrasing her comment. I was paraphrasing to show that she was being very verbose, which indeed she was imo. It wasn't a big deal to me; it was more important to Lizabeth.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

My reads atm:

 

1. Darthe – Who can read Darthe? Not me.

2. Thane Vakarian Besie – After ISO, not in town pile, but not terribly scummy

3. BFG – felt good about her early on. Need to see more currently

4. Hallia - town

6. Sili Quirrels – mystery man

7. Katiora – Slight town

8. dicetosser1 – After ISO, nothing

9. Lenlo – After ISO, slight scum read

10. Niniel – after ISO, feeling town on her

11. Clovdyx - town

13. LilyElizabeth - town

14. Wishtree/Stork hydra – feeling pretty town on them

15. Alannalynn – after ISO, mild town read on her

16. Lizabeth – After ISO, pretty null still 

ref.

 

They can't all be town, I know...

 

 

 

not sure what sort of competent cop gives multiple villagers 'town' reads like that.

Liz, an honest question... Do you usually not read when you're a villager?

[Sili Quirrels]

Sorry, I'm salty you put me through this, and maybe you're just confused here.

 

Normally when a cop makes reads like Lily did, merely saying that an individual is town - it comes across as a peek. Any tutorial will tell you not to do that because it's confusing.

[Guest]

Wow.

 

I can't say that I honestly read absolutely everything of the sili-liz exchange, but I read most (80%?). It felt quite a bit repetitive, especially in the beginning. Like two very stubborn people saying the same things over and over and not changing their opinion.

 

I am going to keep my vote where it is. My reason being that the sili/liz thing is drawing my (and whoever reads it) attention away from the suspects we have.

 

Liz is in my WTL. I'd like to see what some others make of this to and fro before I change my vote.

 

 

Sili, I saw you changed your vote to liz. Who were you on before? I'm on phone so it's a bit harder to go back and check.

[Guest]

 

Lily :(

 

We expected it.

 

Mmm... my scummiest is Lenlo. All the raisins mentioned.

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

 

 

I'll iso Alanna soon as I can.

Why are you voting Lenlo before you iso Alanna?

Same reason I voted previously. I feel 92% certain that Lenlo is scum(/3p?). Granted that there's still 2 mafia left, why would I not vote him? Even if I decide that Alanna is scum, she'll be the fourth and I can always vote her tomorrow.

 

Or not. Since I have 3 people I want to compare for tomorrow. Maybe just 2. I'll decide later, when I have time to.

 

We have the time. 36 hour day. I want to make an informed decision at this stage in the game.

[Guest]

Some parts I just want to clarify

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure I've been pretty clear.

 

I'm going to stop going in circles with you because it's clogging up the thread. But I will go back and find the exchange so there's no longer any dispute about it.

 

You refuse? Then okay. I said pretty much exactly that I didn't like your conclusion considering the evidence portrayed. I later came to the conclusion that wish's vote DAY 1 on wish at that critical moment was important. However, as evidenced by the post you were responding to I do not believe that this is infallible.

 

Not one centimeter of my progression here is hypocritical.

 

*sigh*

What do you mean by wish's vote on wish? It's obviously a typo, right - what was it supposed to say?

[Guest]

 

 

I've never seen a role called "wolf vig" or "mafia vig" in a game ever.

 

And why would mafia have both a strongman and an extra mafia kill?

 

 

=/ and hypothetically a roleblocker.

 

i don't know. I didn't know what was true and what wasn't at that point. the strongman hadn't flipped duh.

I might have missed it, but you said "mafia vig" in this argument between you and liz today. In the past few hours. That's long after flip.

 

When I'm on pc I'll see if I can find if you said it before, but if you have a link to the post you had where you said it before his flip - mind sharing, please?

[Guest]

 

My brain hurts. Someone look back at sili's arguments and see how many were scum and how many were town???? If no one does I will tomorrow when I'm not on a phone.

 

Just curious

I'm also on my phone so I can't right now but I'd love to read it if you do.

 

I'd like to hear your opinion/take on it.

[Guest]

Well, sili

 

 

 

 

i read liz's iso of that day twice, and i opened half the links, but i didn't find the post where i say that clov shouldn't be worried about what happens after his death because we'd know after he died that lil was a wolf.

 

that comment really does never come from a wolf who is trying to save clov. the comment basically condemns clov to anyone on the fence, and was part of the reason i was siding with lily even though i felt like clov's tone was still strong and there were too many prs.

 

 

went off and found his own post. It is interesting because you don't do it often.

 

 

 

 

Luckily it was easy enough to find because the link to the end of D3 is in the OP.

 

I was going to include the links to all the posts related to that conversation so Sili can't accuse me of "cherry picking", but it got tedious and people can just follow it for themselves.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667900

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667901

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667912

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667914

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667915

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667916

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667918

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667920

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667923

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667924

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667925

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-5/?p=3667928

 

I'm done for now. I'm going to stop clogging up the thread.

Wait a second. Didn't realize until now that you were linking posts from day 3 that are almost completely irrelevant to the meat of your case.

 

Lot of effort for no reason.

 

 

here, these posts i feel are valuable and you left them out of your iso.

 

lily knows the stakes. game probably doesn't have 5 wolves so this probably isn't lylo. she says clov is a wolf and claims cop and clov is town then she dies tomorrow. pretty straightforward. lily wasn't on the chopping block either so therefore if lily is a wolf and is lying we have a pretty good idea of who her buddies are. laine liz for instance.

.. Clov if ur lynched and flip town theres no need to remember what u said about lil. We lunch her like we lunched big z last game.

 

 

To be fair, if going by the post numbers, she stopped posting links to quotes before the one you respond to clov. Why did she choose to stop there?

 

I should be able to find and quote some of the things I've asked in about 6/7 hours (hoping I'll find time before then).

[Guest]

My responsibility for the day starts at 20 past so I used the time to find these (answering my own first question).

 

Sili wasn't voting anyone before unvoting. Who did you think it was on?

 

 

Which isn't alignment indicative to me. It's happened a few times (thrice?) in this game (to different people).

 

Sili, I saw you changed your vote to liz. Who were you on before? I'm on phone so it's a bit harder to go back and check.

not sure who i want to vote. it will take some time for me to decide quite likely.

Official Vote Count:

 

Alanna (1) - Hallia

Lenlo (1) - Besie

 

 

Not Voting (5): Sili, Katiora, Lenlo, Alanna, Lizabeth

 

 

Deadline: Wednesday, June 15th, 10:30 PM CDT

 

I'm WTL Lenlo or Besie today

 

[v]Besie[/v]

 

[Guest]

Okay checked post numbers and

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sili votes clov immediately after Lily says he’s not town, says he didn’t trust clov, then backtracks immediately and unvotes

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668149

 

TMI

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668150

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668151

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668160

 

Now claims he thought Clov was the cop (even though he was just saying that he didn’t trust him)

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668162

 

Wants lily to claim fully even though she already has, says some people won’t believe her, but he still hasn’t revoted

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668173

 

still avoiding a lynch on clov even though has said lily is likely telling the truth

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668235

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668236

 

trying to argue about town PR roles, although I agreed at the time

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668246

 

More TMI:

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668270

 

Throws out suggestion of lynching outside of lily or clov after pointing out that HAVE to lynch one today and the other tomorrow

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668330

 

Starts saying he’s reading her intent as townie, then questioning her competence

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668353

 

Expresses annoyance that he missed his vote opportunity

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668373

 

Says there’s no way that Lenlo is mafia when he was arguing with me last night that scum buses each other unnecessarily all the time so that didn’t clear Kat

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668374

 

Puts “pretend” vote on clov

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668375

 

Alanna and Sili not voting (I was at work)

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668382

 

Now claiming he wanted to hammer when Hallia was clear she planned to hammer

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668395

 

Goes back to wanting to lynch lenlo (depending on what happens next makes it “next to impossible” that they’re team mates)

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668402

 

Now claims that kat’s treatment of wish makes her town when he was arguing that I was scummy for making the same point last night

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668414

 

Saying the wolves have been fighting him all game, calls lenlo a wolf but then maybe not a wolf

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668429

 

Trying to establish distance from Wish

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668430

 

Now giving a reason for why lenlo should be left alive to lylo

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668466

 

why is he afraid of a TOWN vigilante living to F3?

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-night-4/?p=3668468

I will just respond to a couple points. Reference to a vigilante refers to a scum vig at f3 which means town always loses.

 

I thought clov could be a cop before then, and I also had my doubts about him. And you can have speculation without being sure - that's what being a villager is. lol.

 

I gave a lot of reasons about lenlo. Lot of things that go against what I want to do because I'm trying my best to win and help town now that bfg is gone. Someone needs to have patience here and approach each problem from as many angles as possible. =/

 

You point out inconsistencies like it's a bad thing but they're not. Good luck trying to lynch me liz.

What the ****

 

(almost swore there...you really test my censor Sili....)

 

Wtf is a "scum vig"?

 

Scum have night kills. they don't need a vig.

 

But keep going. Go on. What is a scum vig, Sili?

lol are you for real?

 

is this an attempt at a derp clear or something? because that's denied straight off lol.

 

 

the quote sili later found to quote would have been somewhere in the middle of these links. So she did leave it out.