Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[John Snow]

 

I may or may not be on again before DL, depending on when I wake up. 

 

The case on me is barely stuck together BS that I'm surprised anyone's willing to buy into. Not sure if my lynch is stupid townie driven or scum, but it'll bear looking into. 

 

Eldrick is obvLoki. Tabor is scum #3, 90% sure. Haven't locked in scum 4 yet. 

 

In case I'm not alive when I wake up, good luck to you Lenlo. I'm rooting for you, whatever you turn out to be if I don't live. 

You trying to pin Loki on me is laughable. and you're reason is because I'm hunting Loki.

 

It's not barely stuck together, but it's bugging the hell out of me that others aren't seeing it.

 

 

AFAIRC, the case on me (I've asked for a writeup, but no one wants to oblige me, I guess. Too scared of showing its gaping flaws):

 

1st) I'm obv!scum because I "predicted" Wisest flip

2nd) I'm obv!Loki because I "don't know the post restrictions"

 

I asked Kiv if I could direct a message at whomever targeted a specific player. 

I asked Kiv if I could say I believed a player was VT. 

 

You guys saw the result. The fact that I'm reading into things faster than you guys, or asking the mod better questions does not make me scum or Loki. 

[John Snow]

Besides, I put the D4 lynch at 50% Tina, 40% me, 10% Eldrick. There's a very high chance I get lynched in the EoD rush. If I go down, town will still be able to use my input to hopefully win this game. It's the nice part of having a wincon that doesn't revolve around you being alive. You remember what that's like Eldrick?

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

You're insinuating that I wouldn't have a) checked the restrictions before faking it and b) that I wouldn't have been counter-claimed on my result. 

No. I'm insinuating that you didn't know what the restrictions were, because you didn't actually get the result.

 

I don't see counter claiming being a viable part of this game yet, and not sure why you are even bringing it up. Things are confusing enough without trying to figure out if 2 people are trying to claim the same type of result.

 

On that note, there were 2 cop result claims Day 2, and no one mentioned counter claim then either.

 

 

No, Sooh/BFG didn't announce until D3, but they got the result D2. Skim harder bro. 

 

I didn't skim. I just don't take notes. I try and fail every single game. I don't know why I keep trying.

 

If the cop results weren't the same night, that explains why there wasn't a CC there, although I still don't expect one, I paid very little attention to who claimed what result, because the information is currently useless.

 

I'm still convinced you're lying, but I will give you the chance to prove me wrong.

So far you have said that because of your result, you believe that Talya is VT

You have also said that your result is a tracker result.

 

Explain to me, without breaking any restrictions, how those 2 can be accurate.

If you had seen a result that said Talya didn't go anywhere, you wouldn't be allowed to mention her name, yet you did.

 

Because you did say as such, and are still alive, it means you didn't get the result you claimed.

[Eldrick4221]

Besides, I put the D4 lynch at 50% Tina, 40% me, 10% Eldrick. There's a very high chance I get lynched in the EoD rush. If I go down, town will still be able to use my input to hopefully win this game. It's the nice part of having a wincon that doesn't revolve around you being alive. You remember what that's like Eldrick?

I don't know what it's like to not have one. sometimes the fun part of the game is watching from the dead thread to see if your side still wins.

[John Snow]

I don't take notes either. 

 

I asked Kiv if I was allowed to post the above statements.

 

My questions verbatum:

 

Am I allowed to tell a player I think they're VT?

Or ask who targeted a certain player?

 

 

Further, we go back to if I didn't get the N2 tracker result, who did?

[Eldrick4221]

Dear whomever targeted Tayla last night:

I have reason to believe she is VT. 

Good luck and happy hunting. 

 

If this message is directed to you, do yourself and town a favor and don't tell everyone who you are. 

For reference. This is what you said.

 

It clearly implies that your result PM told you something about Talya.

You have since said that your result was a tracker result.

 

This hint would have killed you if it were accurate.

[John Snow]

 

I'm still convinced you're lying, but I will give you the chance to prove me wrong.

So far you have said that because of your result, you believe that Talya is VT

You have also said that your result is a tracker result.

 

Explain to me, without breaking any restrictions, how those 2 can be accurate.

If you had seen a result that said Talya didn't go anywhere, you wouldn't be allowed to mention her name, yet you did.

 

Because you did say as such, and are still alive, it means you didn't get the result you claimed.

 

 

Untrue. Very untrue. I have never stated that this is because of any result I may or may not have received. I have merely stated what I believe. 

[Eldrick4221]

I don't take notes either. 

 

I asked Kiv if I was allowed to post the above statements.

 

My questions verbatum:

 

Am I allowed to tell a player I think they're VT?

Or ask who targeted a certain player?

 

 

Further, we go back to if I didn't get the N2 tracker result, who did?

Except that you didn't say you think she's VT. You said you have reason to believe, in the same context of addressing who targeted her. obviously talking about your result.

[John Snow]

 

Dear whomever targeted Tayla last night:

I have reason to believe she is VT. 

Good luck and happy hunting. 

 

If this message is directed to you, do yourself and town a favor and don't tell everyone who you are. 

For reference. This is what you said.

 

It clearly implies that your result PM told you something about Talya.

You have since said that your result was a tracker result.

 

This hint would have killed you if it were accurate.

 

 

Any inference you make from this is no fault of mine. I have never stated what results I have received, nor whom they are on. Simply their type. What Kiv does and does not allow is at his discretion. Obviously, nothing I posted was MK-worthy. 

[John Snow]

 

I don't take notes either. 

 

I asked Kiv if I was allowed to post the above statements.

 

My questions verbatum:

 

Am I allowed to tell a player I think they're VT?

Or ask who targeted a certain player?

 

 

Further, we go back to if I didn't get the N2 tracker result, who did?

Except that you didn't say you think she's VT. You said you have reason to believe, in the same context of addressing who targeted her. obviously talking about your result.

 

 

Semantics. I didn't use the exact phrasing I asked about. The questions were asked at the same time, and I trust in Kiv's ability to see where it was going. 

[Eldrick4221]

The fact that you're still alive means that your result isn't as it seems (which is that you got a tracker result that Talya didn't go anywhere, giving you the reason to believe that she's VT)

Why did you say what you did, making us believe that's what happened?

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

I don't take notes either. 

 

I asked Kiv if I was allowed to post the above statements.

 

My questions verbatum:

 

Am I allowed to tell a player I think they're VT?

Or ask who targeted a certain player?

 

 

Further, we go back to if I didn't get the N2 tracker result, who did?

Except that you didn't say you think she's VT. You said you have reason to believe, in the same context of addressing who targeted her. obviously talking about your result.

 

 

Semantics. I didn't use the exact phrasing I asked about. The questions were asked at the same time, and I trust in Kiv's ability to see where it was going. 

 

Important semantics. Thinking she's VT could be for any reason. Having reason to believe, in the same context as addressing whoever targeted her, is obviously in relation to your result.

[John Snow]

The fact that you're still alive means that your result isn't as it seems (which is that you got a tracker result that Talya didn't go anywhere, giving you the reason to believe that she's VT)

Why did you say what you did, making us believe that's what happened?

 

*sigh*

 

I have never stated that my result was on Tayla. I have never stated that my result was not on Tayla. Quite simply, I don't think I can comment more about my target without getting modkilled. (TBH I'm surprised Tress could say it wasn't on MIsh, since by PoE I could just name everyone that I didn't get a result on to achieve the same thing. Probably because she didn't make a habit of naming who it wasn't.)

 

What I said was something I thought could help a) town and b) whoever is the tracker. 

[Eldrick4221]

Honestly I would be surprised he'd allow such a question.

[John Snow]

 

 

 

I don't take notes either. 

 

I asked Kiv if I was allowed to post the above statements.

 

My questions verbatum:

 

Am I allowed to tell a player I think they're VT?

Or ask who targeted a certain player?

 

 

Further, we go back to if I didn't get the N2 tracker result, who did?

Except that you didn't say you think she's VT. You said you have reason to believe, in the same context of addressing who targeted her. obviously talking about your result.

 

 

Semantics. I didn't use the exact phrasing I asked about. The questions were asked at the same time, and I trust in Kiv's ability to see where it was going. 

 

Important semantics. Thinking she's VT could be for any reason. Having reason to believe, in the same context as addressing whoever targeted her, is obviously in relation to your result.

 

 

Same context was implied by the questions being asked in the same breath. "Having reason to believe" vs "I think" is practically the same. 

[John Snow]

Honestly I would be surprised he'd allow such a question.

 

Take it up with Kiv. I'd say it's not my problem, but that doesn't seem to be true. 

 

Not my fault I actually think independently, ask questions, and see what post limits exist. One day, you might get on my level. 

[Eldrick4221]

How could that have possibly helped whoever the tracker is if the result wasn't about Talya? If it was, you wouldn't be able to mention her name.

 

I want to help whoever the tracker is as much as you claim to, but I know that I'm not allowed to talk about the names of my results. Only what type of result it was. I can't even hint.

 

Which is what you did. You hinted. So you are lying.

[Eldrick4221]

I have asked Kivam if my tracker result had been what yours appears to be, would I have been allowed to say what you did. If he says yes, I will drop my vote on you.

[John Snow]

I have asked Kivam if my tracker result had been what yours appears to be, would I have been allowed to say what you did. If he says yes, I will drop my vote on you.

 

I call this the "Reasonable Townie." You know the N3 tracker will be asking these same questions. If you can get away with it, you're going to "get your answer back from Kiv too late."

 

If pressure from my lynch dies off in the (RL) morning you'll back off sooner so you can jump on Tina. 

 

It's originally a scum play, but it works for 3p Solo Wincons too. Good effort though. 

[Eldrick4221]

I'm completely serious. My reason for suspecting you is because I think Kivam wouldn't allow what you did. If he would, then I won't suspect you. I wish this had occured to me sooner, but I will try my best to get this in before deadline. The way my life has been lately, I'll be awake then anyway.

[John Snow]

For the record, scum #4 is probably Tina/BFG by PoE. I haven't really picked up anything on Tina either way, but Sooh didn't look good. BFG's been looking better, but my money would be on the BFG/Sooh slot. 

[John Snow]

I'm completely serious. My reason for suspecting you is because I think Kivam wouldn't allow what you did. If he would, then I won't suspect you. I wish this had occured to me sooner, but I will try my best to get this in before deadline. The way my life has been lately, I'll be awake then anyway.

 

Convenient, huh? The most obvious thing ever didn't occur to you until just before the DL. Gives you the option to "have bad internet" or "fall asleep" or "get CloudFlare'd" "before Kiv got back to me." Had you asked sooner, that would be nearly impossible. 

[Eldrick4221]

 

I'm completely serious. My reason for suspecting you is because I think Kivam wouldn't allow what you did. If he would, then I won't suspect you. I wish this had occured to me sooner, but I will try my best to get this in before deadline. The way my life has been lately, I'll be awake then anyway.

 

Convenient, huh? The most obvious thing ever didn't occur to you until just before the DL. Gives you the option to "have bad internet" or "fall asleep" or "get CloudFlare'd" "before Kiv got back to me." Had you asked sooner, that would be nearly impossible. 

 

To be fair, I'm among the group of people that didn't realize DL was today until you mentioned it. I'm annoyed that I don't have much time to sort this out.

[Eldrick4221]

Falling asleep is a real concern though. In any case, I won't lynch you on my own, and believe you're the way to go until proven otherwise.

 

So even if I don't move my vote in time, others will have to want to lynch you too.

[Eldrick4221]

Actually, if you are Loki like I believe, you still will be tomorrow. I will wait until I hear back from Kivam before pushing this.

 

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