[Standard] 11/10 Top Tier Vanilla+ Game Thread

[csarmi]

Stuff we are discussing on QT are things that you don't need to hear right now. Some are half munched reads, some are just pure spam for others and some are just brainstorming which would just confuse the thread here.

 

We can post it here if you insist but you don't want it. Trust me.

[csarmi]

But yes right now as there is everything on the table anyway there is nothing to cover (this wasn't true before the - correct - decision was made that the vig should claim).

[csarmi]

For instance, I just informed Despo that I'm almost sure Dice is the odd vig (the odd vig would have shot the countertrain N3 + the way he reacted on our soft hint). Now THAT is something I couldn't have posted here yesterday. See why?

[csarmi]

Also I spammed a lot to him about Tress yesterday evening.

 

Inconclusive... I lean town but have no clear.

[Cass]

All the other things bug me enough that I snuck time at work to specifically mention them again AND put you to a vote.

 

I may be wrong but you're the strongest/most specific ping I have for this slot.

 

So sorry if I'm wrong (I'll have to live with the shame and wear my tinfoil hat and I'll hate it), but there's no point changing my vote unless/until something more specific jumps out at least the same amount.

 

The best thing you could do if you are really Town is start finding anything specific and not easily explained in the context of Town for somebody/anybody else.

 

You know Tress is my next unclear, you mentioned you thought she was more likely than Thane, why aren't you working on that instead of dancing and AtE with me??

[Cass]

On train home and phone battery on empty [!].

 

Will pop in for check/re-reading after dinner/getting the kid to bed.

[Thane Vakarian]

SK is dice or Tress then, if i get Des and csarmi right.

 

i'm vanilla town, not the vig, not the SK. Which, after reading, means that Cass and Dess are also VT. Leaves Pral/tress/dice as a mix vig/vt/sk (in no particular order)

 

or, Des is still SK andtoying with us, stating he's the most obvious townplayer on nearly every page (that's the impression i get, at least)   

[hazelkrs1]

Meh. ##[unvote]

 

[V]##Tress[/v]

[Thane Vakarian]

sorry for not being around, got some RL things i need to take care of (didn't remember buying a car comes with so bloody much paperwork)

[csarmi]

Despo says I should stop tinfoiling about Cass. That she'd never get at us as SK. I'm not entirely sure, but he's been right most game.

In fact, I'm willing to risk the game on that. If she's the SK and she wins, I won't be too unhappy.

Anyway.

Read this carefully.

We need THREE clear players to win this. If we can agree on three clears, game is essentially over by the following sequence of events.

Vig claims. If no CC, they are clear.
Vig calls their shot on one of the suspects.
We lynch another one of the suspects.
If we found the SK, game over.
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Tomorrow dawns
If the SK turns up dead (unlikely IMO, I think they must have BPV), game is over.
If the player the vig shot is alive, we lynch them as they are SK with BPV.
If the player the vig shotg is dead, we simply lynch the remaining single suspect.

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So: all we need is three clears. Obviously I know I am clear, the Vig is clear and Despo wanna lock clear Cass.

Who are YOUR lock clears folks?

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1) Everyone name their clears.

2) Then the Vig should claim and probably direct the lynch and NK.


 

[csarmi]

I don't want to know who you think the SK is. I want to know who are those you consider clear. Name at least two if you can.

[csarmi]

My clears: The Vig

 

Almost clear: Pral (pending reread), Cass (pending the tinfoil I want to avoid)

[Thane Vakarian]

clear imo cass, des/csarmr, pral (yeah, seems odd, but he makes sense in most recent posts)

[csarmi]

Clears Summary: (note: csarmi/Des is the same slot, but our reads don't align completely)

• Csarmi: The Vig, Almost clear: Pral (pending reread), Cass (pending the tinfoil I want to avoid). / Des: ?
• Thane: clear imo cass, des/csarmi, pral
• Cass: ?
• Tress: ?
• Dice: ?
• Pral: ?

Note: I didn't count reads PRIOR to my call to arms post here.

[Cass]

My clears: The Vig

 

Almost clear: Dice (pending re-read)

[csarmi]

More clease pls. You spent the whole game posting long thoughts. I know you're good at analssiy. Now is the time to give moar.

[csarmi]

Clears Summary: (note: csarmi/Des is the same slot, but our reads don't align completely)

• Csarmi: The Vig, Almost clear: Pral (pending reread), Cass (pending the tinfoil I want to avoid). / Des: ?
• Thane: clear imo cass, des/csarmi, pral
• Cass: My clears: The Vig, Almost clear: Dice (pending re-read)
• Tress: ?
• Dice: ?
• Pral: ?

Note: I didn't count reads PRIOR to my call to arms post here.

[csarmi]

Come on folks. 14h left. Do your stuff in your next post.

Vig: please try to wait until everyone gives their clears, then please claim up, claim your NK target and tell us who you wanna lynch.

[csarmi]

@Vig: Again, it is imperative that you claim and give your NK target before day is up. You cannot be blocked anymore. You can be killed, yes, but claiming tomorrow is too late (because CC tomorrow may be nasty). By calling your NK target you ensure that either your target dies or we learn who the SK is. Yes, it may help the SK planning their kill, but it does NOT actually matter whether we go into next day with 4 or 3 players alive, it shalt be MYLO/LYLO anyway.

[Cass]

  On 11/26/2014 at 11:27 AM, csarmi said:

More clease pls. You spent the whole game posting long thoughts. I know you're good at analssiy. Now is the time to give moar.

 

'Giving' you Dice as 'almost clear' is more than I was comfortable doing. What I'm good at is finding what I think are inconsistencies. I have been absolutely craptastic at forming an opinion that anyone is clear. 

 

 

 

  On 11/26/2014 at 11:33 AM, csarmi said:

Come on folks. 14h left. Do your stuff in your next post.

 

Vig: please try to wait until everyone gives their clears, then please claim up, claim your NK target and tell us who you wanna lynch.

 

Why does the Vig have to wait?

 

Makes sense to me that the Vig can claim as soon as possible, saves us lumping them in with our 'not clears' by mistake.

[Cass]

Also, I disagree somewhat on your tactics. 

 

Inconsistencies/SK slips should be easier to find than reasons to keep people clear. 

 

(The only people any of us can clear for sure is ourselves and (if they claim) the Vig. It's all just a bit too easy to clear someone by mistake, IMO. If the SK is playing a good Town game they could too easily slide in with the 'clears'. )

 

Town outnumbers SK 5:1.

 

IMO the best way to take them down is for each of us to highlight things we think are sus (ie. actually hunt for the SK). With 5 heads intent on hunting and discussing potential SK tells versus 1 intent on defending, it shouldn't be too hard for the 5 of us to come up with top picks for SK/communally detect the odd voice out.

 

Also, the BPV is pointless if we make the correct lynch. So, if we work together and get it right the first time, we can take the SK directly out. We just need to do a little work.

 

I have already said that I think Deslarmi have pinged the most to me. (For ease of review, reasons are here).

 

I want to hear everyone else's thoughts on this.

 

 

@Thane: Since you've cleared them, can you explain why you're reading Deslami so Town, in the context of the points I made in my vote post linked above? Like you said, all I really see in their 'defence' against those points, is them repeating 'we are Town'. 

 

That is nowhere near enough to allay suspicion, for me. Do those points ping? Do you really see nothing that points to them being SK?

 

What do you have on anyone/everyone else?

[Cass]

@Tress

 

Thoughts?

 

 

Also, cheers for the links - do you have any where you're just simple Town?

[Tommyrod]

Vote Count D5.03:

 

Tress (2): Thane [#3702], Deslami [#3758]

Dice (1): Pral [#3714]

Deslami (1): Cass [#3732]

 

Not Voting (2): Dice, Tress

 

At the gallows: Tress

 

Reminder: players not voting at EOD will be voting for themselves.

 

[csarmi]

  On 11/26/2014 at 11:42 AM, Cass said:

 

  On 11/26/2014 at 11:27 AM, csarmi said:

More clease pls. You spent the whole game posting long thoughts. I know you're good at analssiy. Now is the time to give moar.

 

'Giving' you Dice as 'almost clear' is more than I was comfortable doing. What I'm good at is finding what I think are inconsistencies. I have been absolutely craptastic at forming an opinion that anyone is clear. 

 

 

 

  On 11/26/2014 at 11:33 AM, csarmi said:

Come on folks. 14h left. Do your stuff in your next post.

 

Vig: please try to wait until everyone gives their clears, then please claim up, claim your NK target and tell us who you wanna lynch.

 

Why does the Vig have to wait?

 

Makes sense to me that the Vig can claim as soon as possible, saves us lumping them in with our 'not clears' by mistake.

 

 

Think that over again. We have one player amongst us who wants to (has to) give a fake list. Do you want to help them?

[csarmi]

@Cass -

 

1) We have been pushing pro-town ideas (and only pro-town ideas) the whole game.

2) We have put ourselves in the front of the discussion.

3) We have been scumhunting as hard as possible and actually got scum lynched.

4) We have done seer cover and vig cover.

5) We directly encouraged the odd night vig to shoot us if they feel fit (by claiming not to be the even night vig).

 

In other words, we have tried to put our own lives at stake and actually take hits instead of other people (all four of those points toward these). This is not how you should play an SK cazse even with a BPV because, trust me, you'll get killed. I'm not sure what we would be doing differently if we were SK, but trying to get shot would not be our priority, you can bet.