[Basic]TRON Mafia Game-Day 4

[Tommyrod]

So did nobody notice or care that Clov cased Mynd a few hours ago?

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

Been thinking about Rand's rage vote on me, apparently using a situation from another game as a reason. 

 

At first, I chose not to respond to it and fight the urge to OMGUS vote.

 

Then, I ate an orange.  Tasted good, but then my hands were sticky.  And not stick in the fun way.

 

Washed my hands.  Dried them.   Thought about the good ole days. 

 

But then that nagging suspicion crept back into my noggin. 

 

Why would Rand need to go to such lengths to justify his vote in this game?  Sure, day 1 randomness is random but.....he placed his vote on a player he felt no one would question his motives on.  Why....that would require a preset guilty conscience BEFORE he posted. 

 

So.....@Rand.  Why the need to OVER justify your reason for voting me? 

 

Not liking Rand's very reserved and casual response to my question. I was expecting more....Dragon......and got a tame puppy instead.

 

This was Mynd's initial suspicion/read, I suppose.  In case anybody is wondering, this was Rand's response -

 

"For people who weren't in the game, its a slight pet peeve when people vote someone like that without explanation, I wasn't in the game so I hound them on it, and then I get called out for it."

 

I'm not sure why Mynd has any issue with that.  Nice and calm, nothing really worth noting.  Let's keep that in mind.

 

 

 

 

Death to the Clov!

 

If Drunk is off the board for a lynch today, who do you switch your vote to?

 

 

Why so anxious for a lynch, TG?

 

 

Slight FoS on TG for...trying to work towards a lynch.  He would then vote TG in his very next post without saying another word.  When he gets an answer from TG, (basically saying that TG doesn't want another game filled with 100 pages of spam so he wants to start with activity), Mynd replies with this.

 

 

 

 

Why so anxious for a lynch, TG?

 

TG, you are rapidly switching between serious and goofy and I ding understand the transitions. What's up? You on crack?

 

Another game with 100 pages of D1 spam posts will be soul destroying for me, so I'd rather get this game kick started and at least push some gameplay. 

 

 

...and now the guilty conscience explanation. 

 

 

How is that possibly a reasonable response to what TG said?  Now in the first eleven pages, Mynd has thrown light suspicions at two different players for attempting to play the game.  When they respond to his questions - both of whom gave pretty decent answers IMO - he spins it in a way that makes them look bad, rather than accepting it and moving on.

 

He then cases TG with post 267 (linking, rather than quoting due to quote limits).  Recap of the arugment

 

-Lenlo and TG engaged in light posting D1

-Lenlo voted TG as a joke to start the game

-TG gives DT a D1 pass for being new

 

The first two points are worth noting because Mynd's argument was that mafia are likely to joke vote each other to start a game as a form of distancing.  I don't know that I believe this to be true, but with the information we have now, we can confirm this wasn't the case, as Lenlo was town.  This doesn't mean that Mynd can't be onto something with TG being relax as mafia and joking with Lenlo, who he would know to be town, but that was never the argument. 

 

Mynd's biggest argument was TG's reaction to the case. 

 

 

You never actually said any problems with it other  than "UM WRONG!!!!"   That proves nothing.  That is like a scum saying "I'm the miller, I swear!!!"   I'm wrong because you say I am wrong.  What are you gonna do, tell me I am RIGHT about pointing out such a connection?  I don't like your reaction.  TG's is worse, but both of you are making a lot out of my casing than you should have.  Hence: snakes are rattled.

 

 

^Len is prob town here.  It's sheerly a valid point and even if it weren't I can't see how what Mynd is arguing could be construed as scummy.

 

On what planet does this make him prob-town? Dude, you are missing a fun mafia game here.  You should actually read it sometime.

 

I'd like to point out the bold, and I agree with almost all of it.  When somebody is accused (TG) in this case, it does no good to simply say "what? no, you're wrong." so I can sort of see where Mynd is coming from...except here is where TG actually goes through and attempts to refute nearly every point Mynd has made. 

 

The TG doth protest too much.

 

This is not a townie reaction.  A town player making an argument would take the time to consider the response to their argument, not immediately dismiss it.  If Mynd was actually TRYING to discern TG's alignment, rather than simply bury him and attempt to get town from listening, I don't see why he's trying to smother TG's response instead of actually having a discussion with it.  Since then, Mynd has constantly called TG scum and seemingly refuse to listen to anything TG says or anything somebody has to say about TG.

 

 

Now, here is his interaction with Nyn and Hallia that I could find:

 

D1 -

 

 

Don't women usually feel the same way after getting it on with you? =)

 

Nah that happens before, and they call it foreplay. 

 

 

 

 

That's what I said.

You guys have hydra chat? What have you been talking about? Why is Hallia quiet? I would prefer she posts more; she's easier to read than you are.

 

 

No, we don't have a hydra chat, we've developed psychic powers last spring when we on a get away to the Bahamas. I can also make Hallia orgasm by looking at a can of coke. It's uncanny.

 

 

un-CAN-ny!!!!!

 

 

 

N1 -

 

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count-Day 1

 

BFArmi-(2/7)-Darthe, Vos, 

TG-(1/7)-Mynd

RandA lThor-(1/7)-Lenlo 

Lenlo-(2/7)-Drunk Tank, RandA lThor

Tommy-(1/7)-NotBob

Clov-(1/7)-Nynlia

NotBob-(2/7)-Clov, Tommy

Darthe-(1/7)-BFArmi

 

Not Voting(1/12)-TG

 

12 Alive, takes 7 to Lynch

 

Deadline-http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140724T1715&p0=438&msg=End+of+Day+1&csz=1

 

 

This is the vote count before the shift in Len's train. Later on Mynd moved away from TG to Lenlo. Salami and Notbob followed later.

 

 

I was hoping for more suspiciousness here, but no one else did anything.  Salami and Notbob's vote on Lenlo can be argued and dismissed as self-preservation, as NB even says as much.  I moved from TG to Lenlo because he was my #2 and I felt the most confident of the three mini-trains that he would flip scum. 

 

I'm curious as to why your vote remained squarely on Clov since it was clear that train was not leaving the station.

 

 

D2 -

 

 

 

Nyn is not town.

 

Thats a result.

 

[V] NYN [/V]

 

@Darthe - Why did you choose to target Nyn last night instead of many other possibilities?

 

Slow down the horses.

 

We want everyone to chime in.

 

Darthe - why claim now?

Well, I don't think there would be more than one cop in this game.  No one else has cc'd the cop claim.  We have a hidden doc.  If Nyn flips town, we know who scum is.

I do agree about slowing down though.   We can still discuss it without hammering, but there have been enough players tossing Nyn's name around in this game.

 

[unvote]

 

[v] Nyn [/v]

 

 

Ya know, TG's case depended on Vos dying last night.

 

I think I just figured out who had the most to gain by Vos being killed.

 

Is this a joke?  Do you not remember any of our disagreement D1?  You trying to claim that my case on you has nothing to do with D1 and centers only on that one post is ridic.

 

lolwhut? Dude, go back and read your first post of D2. 

 

 

That last one for me is really interesting.  The mafia team would have no reason to doubt Darthe's investigation result on Nyn whatsoever - nobody else had claimed cop, and obviously, he had hit scum.  It could have been a random guess, but he had...what, roughly a 33% chance of picking one if he just drew names?  Unlikely.  Odds are, he nailed one.

 

So Mynd comes in with his very first post and votes Nyn.  Perfectly reasonable for a townie to trust Darthe's claim, so I really don't have any issue with that.  How did Mynd handle Darthe's second guilty?

 

 

 

@mod it would be nice to get a vote count and deadlines at the start of day

 

team, please DO NOT humor without letting DT show up to speak. I want a eful and productive day still

 

Awwww, why can't we humor him?

 

I'll park my vote here in the meantime, while we wait.  [v] TG [/v]

 

 

Now think about it from a townie mindset - nobody (Mynd, in this case) but Darthe would have known what was coming.  Mafia, on the other hand, would have had PLENTY of incentive to avoid the lynch, as they would have known that Darthe's results - and Drunk Tank as scum -  was full of shenanigans.  So Mynd comes in, doesn't question Darthe about the target selection, doesn't question Darthe about his request, and he doesn't vote DT despite the fact he wouldn't have been the hammer.  He parks his vote on TG, who he should probably know is off the table as a lynch candidate, even without a guilty on somebody else. 

 

That seems more like he knew what was going to happen than an oblivious townie to me.

 

 

 

 

TL;DR - Blatant tunneling, despite evidence his case was wrong.  Refusal to adjust his read.  Minimal interaction with the confirmed mafia.  Scummy handling of yesterday.

 

Here it is if you missed it.

 

What I like:

 

"How is that possibly a reasonable response to what TG said?  Now in the first eleven pages, Mynd has thrown light suspicions at two different players for attempting to play the game.  When they respond to his questions - both of whom gave pretty decent answers IMO - he spins it in a way that makes them look bad, rather than accepting it and moving on."

 

This is a good observation and is exactly what NB has been doing; deflecting with trolling.

 

"So Mynd comes in, doesn't question Darthe about the target selection, doesn't question Darthe about his request, and he doesn't vote DT despite the fact he wouldn't have been the hammer.  He parks his vote on TG, who he should probably know is off the table as a lynch candidate, even without a guilty on somebody else. That seems more like he knew what was going to happen than an oblivious townie to me."

 

The point that Mynd voted away from Drunk would be really good if Darthe hadn't told people not to vote Drunk, but he's still exhibiting the "troll someone but don't really push them" behavior. He did it again just 30 minutes ago. If you think someone is scum -- you should try to sink them. I get being unsure, but Mynd, you've been taking jabs at TG for like a full irl week and still can't make up your mind about him?

What I don't like:

 

Clov posted this but didn't acknowledge my comment about his dialogue with NB sounding w/w. He hasn't posted since. If he comes back to the thread and isn't on Mynd's nuts I'll be disappointed. There should be some dialogue between them rather than a case with no followup. (I thought this came out of nowhere but I see he mentioned Mynd as more likely mafia than TG before he posted this, so meh.)

 

I'd like to see Mynd's response to this.

[Tyler Glembo]

I noticed. And giggled happily.

[Tyler Glembo]

But I also did not respond because I wanted Mynd to respond to clov without any of my interference that could color the interaction.

[Tommyrod]

But I also did not respond because I wanted Mynd to respond to clov without any of my interference that could color the interaction.

 

Well, it's been 4 hours. Looks like I beat him to it. Huzzah!

[Tyler Glembo]

 

But I also did not respond because I wanted Mynd to respond to clov without any of my interference that could color the interaction.

 

Well, it's been 4 hours. Looks like I beat him to it. Huzzah!

 

 

Verily, your activity is worthy of commendation.

[Tommyrod]

I'd guess one of you or I is dying tonight, so we should talk as much as possible.

Here's what I've got so far:

asdfhgkjlkkl;k'lm;

kjahskhdi;oijjnsdmklakj

Kaosjdiph7wqyuanijuogdaoa;'s;

Ka;hishihbuybwpd;'

lamkalsllkmklakmlk'dd;

[Myndrunner]

 

Dovetail that mess with this.......TG reeks of scum to me.  As many of you who have played with me in the old days, I like to throw anything I can at someone no matter if it makes sense or not just to see their reaction.  Beating the grass to startle the snakes is an actual Sun Tzu strategy and it has worked more often than not in these mafia games.  My case on him was full of holes, yet his reaction was way over the top on the scummeter.  He struck me as an enraged scummy who was scared to death that people might actually believe my crap. 

 

We've all been there, when a lynch is lead upon us with the weakest of reasons yet it sticks because the sheep follow.  Nothing is more frustrating to be mafia and have a great game going when suddenly, some moron shouts "scum slip" and suddenly you are a D1 lynch.  That fear of people believing the moron is what drives scum to overreact like TG did. 

 

Having said this, considering that there are maybe at most 2 scum left in this game, I am finding a couple players a bit more scummy than TG.  His overreaction could be all of the above yet coming from a townie instead. 

 

This has been a hard game to read.  I'm even starting to doubt Darthe now.  Well, part of my hydra is. 

 

Called it way back on D1.

 

Not sure what the point of this post was, you said "TG reeks of scum" and concluded with "but he's not the scummiest."

 

Adding to discussion of night killaments, me not dying N1 made me feel about 20% better that the TG fight was town/town and it behooved scum for it to continue into later days.

 

I saw earlier that you said "we should see why these players died" but then never talked about it again. What's your interpretation?

 

 

When I say TG reeks of scum, I mean exactly that.  I'm not saying he's town because he's no the scummiest on my list anymore, I'm saying that he's a "better looking burn victim" than some others.  It doesn't take away the fact that he completely overreacted to my grass beating.  Snakes don't hiss like that unless they feel guilty.

 

The problem is that I have about 4 players right now that seem scum to me and there can't be 4 mafia players left.  Who are they?  TG is one of them, but I will reveal the others in my aformentioned case which shall be presented on Day 3.   Should I live and whatever, of course. 

 

As far as why Vos and Beefarmi's kills......I asked because I really don't know.  What is your take on it?

[Myndrunner]

I noticed. And giggled happily.

 

Ah yes, the sounds of a desperate man begging for everyone to believe him and not me. 

[Myndrunner]

 

 

But I also did not respond because I wanted Mynd to respond to clov without any of my interference that could color the interaction.

 

Well, it's been 4 hours. Looks like I beat him to it. Huzzah!

 

 

Verily, your activity is worthy of commendation.

 

[Myndrunner]

But I also did not respond because I wanted Mynd to respond to clov without any of my interference that could color the interaction.

 or you didn't notice until Tommy brought this up.   As rabid as you have been against me in this game, I highly doubt you even saw this or you would be all over it.

[Tommyrod]

 

List of players

 

1. Darthe

2. Drunk Tank, Bit, Vanilla Town-Lynched Day 3

3. BFArmi(BFG and Csarmi), Ram, Vanilla Town-Killed Night 2

4. Vos, Lora Baines, Vanilla Town-Killed Night 1

5. NotBob

6. Tommy

7. RandA lthor

8. Kronos Clov

9. Nynlia, Sark, Mafia Goon, Lynched Day 2

10. Mynd

11. Lenlo, Alan Bradley, Vanilla Town-Lynched Day 1

12.TG

 

Questions to keep in mynd, going into D4.... Why Vos N1 and why Beefarmi N2?

 

 

Mynd, you were leading a question with this post, so you must have some thoughts. So... let's have it.

[Tyler Glembo]

I wish I was a vig to shoot you for being so insipid.

[Myndrunner]

Clov's deal was a lot of Teal Deer and stretching....but here we go....

 

 

 

 

 

 

Been thinking about Rand's rage vote on me, apparently using a situation from another game as a reason. 

 

At first, I chose not to respond to it and fight the urge to OMGUS vote.

 

Then, I ate an orange.  Tasted good, but then my hands were sticky.  And not stick in the fun way.

 

Washed my hands.  Dried them.   Thought about the good ole days. 

 

But then that nagging suspicion crept back into my noggin. 

 

Why would Rand need to go to such lengths to justify his vote in this game?  Sure, day 1 randomness is random but.....he placed his vote on a player he felt no one would question his motives on.  Why....that would require a preset guilty conscience BEFORE he posted. 

 

So.....@Rand.  Why the need to OVER justify your reason for voting me? 

 

Not liking Rand's very reserved and casual response to my question. I was expecting more....Dragon......and got a tame puppy instead.

 

This was Mynd's initial suspicion/read, I suppose.  In case anybody is wondering, this was Rand's response -

 

"For people who weren't in the game, its a slight pet peeve when people vote someone like that without explanation, I wasn't in the game so I hound them on it, and then I get called out for it."

 

I'm not sure why Mynd has any issue with that.  Nice and calm, nothing really worth noting.  Let's keep that in mind.

 

 

 

 

Death to the Clov!

 

If Drunk is off the board for a lynch today, who do you switch your vote to?

 

 

Why so anxious for a lynch, TG?

 

 

Slight FoS on TG for...trying to work towards a lynch.  He would then vote TG in his very next post without saying another word.  When he gets an answer from TG, (basically saying that TG doesn't want another game filled with 100 pages of spam so he wants to start with activity), Mynd replies with this.

 

 

 

 

Why so anxious for a lynch, TG?

 

TG, you are rapidly switching between serious and goofy and I ding understand the transitions. What's up? You on crack?

 

Another game with 100 pages of D1 spam posts will be soul destroying for me, so I'd rather get this game kick started and at least push some gameplay. 

 

 

...and now the guilty conscience explanation. 

 

 

How is that possibly a reasonable response to what TG said?  Now in the first eleven pages, Mynd has thrown light suspicions at two different players for attempting to play the game.  When they respond to his questions - both of whom gave pretty decent answers IMO - he spins it in a way that makes them look bad, rather than accepting it and moving on.

 

He then cases TG with post 267 (linking, rather than quoting due to quote limits).  Recap of the arugment

 

-Lenlo and TG engaged in light posting D1

-Lenlo voted TG as a joke to start the game

-TG gives DT a D1 pass for being new

 

The first two points are worth noting because Mynd's argument was that mafia are likely to joke vote each other to start a game as a form of distancing.  I don't know that I believe this to be true, but with the information we have now, we can confirm this wasn't the case, as Lenlo was town.  This doesn't mean that Mynd can't be onto something with TG being relax as mafia and joking with Lenlo, who he would know to be town, but that was never the argument. 

 

Mynd's biggest argument was TG's reaction to the case. 

 

 

You never actually said any problems with it other  than "UM WRONG!!!!"   That proves nothing.  That is like a scum saying "I'm the miller, I swear!!!"   I'm wrong because you say I am wrong.  What are you gonna do, tell me I am RIGHT about pointing out such a connection?  I don't like your reaction.  TG's is worse, but both of you are making a lot out of my casing than you should have.  Hence: snakes are rattled.

 

 

^Len is prob town here.  It's sheerly a valid point and even if it weren't I can't see how what Mynd is arguing could be construed as scummy.

 

On what planet does this make him prob-town? Dude, you are missing a fun mafia game here.  You should actually read it sometime.

 

I'd like to point out the bold, and I agree with almost all of it.  When somebody is accused (TG) in this case, it does no good to simply say "what? no, you're wrong." so I can sort of see where Mynd is coming from...except here is where TG actually goes through and attempts to refute nearly every point Mynd has made. 

 

The TG doth protest too much.

 

This is not a townie reaction.  A town player making an argument would take the time to consider the response to their argument, not immediately dismiss it.  If Mynd was actually TRYING to discern TG's alignment, rather than simply bury him and attempt to get town from listening, I don't see why he's trying to smother TG's response instead of actually having a discussion with it.  Since then, Mynd has constantly called TG scum and seemingly refuse to listen to anything TG says or anything somebody has to say about TG.

 

 

Now, here is his interaction with Nyn and Hallia that I could find:

 

D1 -

 

 

Don't women usually feel the same way after getting it on with you? =)

 

Nah that happens before, and they call it foreplay. 

 

 

 

 

That's what I said.

You guys have hydra chat? What have you been talking about? Why is Hallia quiet? I would prefer she posts more; she's easier to read than you are.

 

 

No, we don't have a hydra chat, we've developed psychic powers last spring when we on a get away to the Bahamas. I can also make Hallia orgasm by looking at a can of coke. It's uncanny.

 

 

un-CAN-ny!!!!!

 

 

 

N1 -

 

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count-Day 1

 

BFArmi-(2/7)-Darthe, Vos, 

TG-(1/7)-Mynd

RandA lThor-(1/7)-Lenlo 

Lenlo-(2/7)-Drunk Tank, RandA lThor

Tommy-(1/7)-NotBob

Clov-(1/7)-Nynlia

NotBob-(2/7)-Clov, Tommy

Darthe-(1/7)-BFArmi

 

Not Voting(1/12)-TG

 

12 Alive, takes 7 to Lynch

 

Deadline-http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140724T1715&p0=438&msg=End+of+Day+1&csz=1

 

 

This is the vote count before the shift in Len's train. Later on Mynd moved away from TG to Lenlo. Salami and Notbob followed later.

 

 

I was hoping for more suspiciousness here, but no one else did anything.  Salami and Notbob's vote on Lenlo can be argued and dismissed as self-preservation, as NB even says as much.  I moved from TG to Lenlo because he was my #2 and I felt the most confident of the three mini-trains that he would flip scum. 

 

I'm curious as to why your vote remained squarely on Clov since it was clear that train was not leaving the station.

 

 

D2 -

 

 

 

Nyn is not town.

Thats a result.

[V] NYN [/V]

 

@Darthe - Why did you choose to target Nyn last night instead of many other possibilities?

 

Slow down the horses.

We want everyone to chime in.

Darthe - why claim now?

Well, I don't think there would be more than one cop in this game.  No one else has cc'd the cop claim.  We have a hidden doc.  If Nyn flips town, we know who scum is.

I do agree about slowing down though.   We can still discuss it without hammering, but there have been enough players tossing Nyn's name around in this game.

 

[unvote]

 

[v] Nyn [/v]

 

 

Ya know, TG's case depended on Vos dying last night.

 

I think I just figured out who had the most to gain by Vos being killed.

 

Is this a joke?  Do you not remember any of our disagreement D1?  You trying to claim that my case on you has nothing to do with D1 and centers only on that one post is ridic.

 

lolwhut? Dude, go back and read your first post of D2. 

 

 

That last one for me is really interesting.  The mafia team would have no reason to doubt Darthe's investigation result on Nyn whatsoever - nobody else had claimed cop, and obviously, he had hit scum.  It could have been a random guess, but he had...what, roughly a 33% chance of picking one if he just drew names?  Unlikely.  Odds are, he nailed one.

 

So Mynd comes in with his very first post and votes Nyn.  Perfectly reasonable for a townie to trust Darthe's claim, so I really don't have any issue with that.  How did Mynd handle Darthe's second guilty?

 

 

 

@mod it would be nice to get a vote count and deadlines at the start of day

team, please DO NOT humor without letting DT show up to speak. I want a eful and productive day still

 

Awwww, why can't we humor him?

 

I'll park my vote here in the meantime, while we wait.  [v] TG [/v]

 

 

Now think about it from a townie mindset - nobody (Mynd, in this case) but Darthe would have known what was coming.  Mafia, on the other hand, would have had PLENTY of incentive to avoid the lynch, as they would have known that Darthe's results - and Drunk Tank as scum -  was full of shenanigans.  So Mynd comes in, doesn't question Darthe about the target selection, doesn't question Darthe about his request, and he doesn't vote DT despite the fact he wouldn't have been the hammer.  He parks his vote on TG, who he should probably know is off the table as a lynch candidate, even without a guilty on somebody else. 

 

That seems more like he knew what was going to happen than an oblivious townie to me.

 

 

 

 

TL;DR - Blatant tunneling, despite evidence his case was wrong.  Refusal to adjust his read.  Minimal interaction with the confirmed mafia.  Scummy handling of yesterday.

 

 

Here it is if you missed it.

What I like:

"How is that possibly a reasonable response to what TG said?  Now in the first eleven pages, Mynd has thrown light suspicions at two different players for attempting to play the game.  When they respond to his questions - both of whom gave pretty decent answers IMO - he spins it in a way that makes them look bad, rather than accepting it and moving on."

 

Tg's reaction was not reasonable at all.  Apparently your version of "decent" is different than mine.  Lenlo gave better responses but both were scummy to me, TG more so than Lenlo.  How would calling out someone for doing something in their opinion as scummy be in itself scummy?  How you can believe that TG's reaction to my prodding case was reasonable is beyond me. 

This is a good observation and is exactly what NB has been doing; deflecting with trolling.

"So Mynd comes in, doesn't question Darthe about the target selection, doesn't question Darthe about his request, and he doesn't vote DT despite the fact he wouldn't have been the hammer.  He parks his vote on TG, who he should probably know is off the table as a lynch candidate, even without a guilty on somebody else. That seems more like he knew what was going to happen than an oblivious townie to me."

 

Doesn't question an uncc'd cop in a Basic game? No one did really.  Why is this a Mynd exclusive all of a sudden?  The speed at which you and Tommy voted DT convinces me that it was the right move. 

 

The point that Mynd voted away from Drunk would be really good if Darthe hadn't told people not to vote Drunk, but he's still exhibiting the "troll someone but don't really push them" behavior. He did it again just 30 minutes ago. If you think someone is scum -- you should try to sink them. I get being unsure, but Mynd, you've been taking jabs at TG for like a full irl week and still can't make up your mind about him?

 

First of all, just because someone cries TROLL doesn't mean the person is being one.  My case on TG was simply a poke to get a reaction on somethings that could have been scummy.  His reaction pushed him to the top of my list, and his D2 out the gate push on me furthered that I hit pretty close to the mark.  TG wants you to think my FOS is trolling, which it isn't.  He came at me full on D2 while I was casing other players.

 

What I don't like:

 

Clov posted this but didn't acknowledge my comment about his dialogue with NB sounding w/w. He hasn't posted since. If he comes back to the thread and isn't on Mynd's nuts I'll be disappointed. There should be some dialogue between them rather than a case with no followup. (I thought this came out of nowhere but I see he mentioned Mynd as more likely mafia than TG before he posted this, so meh.)

 

I'd like to see Mynd's response to this.

 

 

Again, full report in the AM, but the short version is this:

 

I think TG could be scum, he's still as scummy as he has been since D1.  He continues to do scummy things and comes across desperate for anyone to agree with him about me.  Unlike TG, I'm also considering other possible scum players and at this point, there are a couple (maybe three) that seem like they could be more likely scum than TG.  It doesn't make TG less scummy, it just makes him less likely to be scum than those other three. 

[Tommyrod]

Mynd, I'll respond one thought at a time: I don't understand how your observations match your conclusions. Three people being more likely scum than TG means almost everyone in this game is more likely to be scum than TG, so why do you keep bringing it up and calling him scummy? Why aren't you pushing that lucky triumvirate?

[Myndrunner]

 

 

List of players

 

1. Darthe

2. Drunk Tank, Bit, Vanilla Town-Lynched Day 3

3. BFArmi(BFG and Csarmi), Ram, Vanilla Town-Killed Night 2

4. Vos, Lora Baines, Vanilla Town-Killed Night 1

5. NotBob

6. Tommy

7. RandA lthor

8. Kronos Clov

9. Nynlia, Sark, Mafia Goon, Lynched Day 2

10. Mynd

11. Lenlo, Alan Bradley, Vanilla Town-Lynched Day 1

12.TG

 

Questions to keep in mynd, going into D4.... Why Vos N1 and why Beefarmi N2?

 

 

Mynd, you were leading a question with this post, so you must have some thoughts. So... let's have it.

 

 

I really cant figure it out.  I understand Beefarmi sorta because he was one of the three mini-trains on D2.  Vos bothers me because.....and don't cry troll.....TG tried to make it seem like I had a strong FOS on Vos.  I didn't.  I just said I usually have a stronger town read on him and that this was the scummiest I've seen him play.  I clearly wasn't calling him any more scum then a bulk of the roster.  I took his killing as maybe they were thinking they could pin it on me?  I dunno....but TG came right out the gate after me when I was actually looking at......ok, I'll say it....Clov and NotBob. 

 

What are your thoughts?  Who would benefit from those two being out of the picture?

[Myndrunner]

Mynd, I'll respond one thought at a time: I don't understand how your observations match your conclusions. Three people being more likely scum than TG means almost everyone in this game is more likely to be scum than TG, so why do you keep bringing it up and calling him scummy? Why aren't you pushing that lucky triumvirate?

 

Again, the best analogy I can come up with is that TG is the best looking burn victim.  There are three players who I feel are more likely scum, but it doesn't mean that TG is suddenly clear because of it.  I think you are starting to deliberately split hairs here.  I have five out of the remaining seven players who I believe are good candidates for scum for different reasons.  Those reasons I will share with everyone after N3 ends.  It shouldn't be too hard to figure out who at least two of them are at this point, but TG is still a possibility. 

 

I'm not sure how thinking three people are more likely scum means TG should be cleared in my mind. 

[Myndrunner]

I wish I was a vig to shoot you for being so insipid.

 

I'm the one trolling.  Riiiiight. 

[Tommyrod]

 

Mynd, I'll respond one thought at a time: I don't understand how your observations match your conclusions. Three people being more likely scum than TG means almost everyone in this game is more likely to be scum than TG, so why do you keep bringing it up and calling him scummy? Why aren't you pushing that lucky triumvirate?

 

Again, the best analogy I can come up with is that TG is the best looking burn victim.  There are three players who I feel are more likely scum, but it doesn't mean that TG is suddenly clear because of it.  I think you are starting to deliberately split hairs here.  I have five out of the remaining seven players who I believe are good candidates for scum for different reasons.  Those reasons I will share with everyone after N3 ends.  It shouldn't be too hard to figure out who at least two of them are at this point, but TG is still a possibility. 

 

I'm not sure how thinking three people are more likely scum means TG should be cleared in my mind. 

 

 

It's not that he should be clear to you, it's that you should be doing something else. Posting about your suspects, finding reasons to confirm your reads, interrogating your suspects. Have you been doing that? I don't even know who those 3 would be, and when I can't follow someone's thought process despite being in the thread with them, I grow concerned.

[Tyler Glembo]

It beggars belief that I actually need to respond to Mynd here.

 

When I say TG reeks of scum, I mean exactly that.  I'm not saying he's town because he's no the scummiest on my list anymore, I'm saying that he's a "better looking burn victim" than some others.  It doesn't take away the fact that he completely overreacted to my grass beating.  Snakes don't hiss like that unless they feel guilty.

 

The problem is that I have about 4 players right now that seem scum to me and there can't be 4 mafia players left.  Who are they?  TG is one of them, but I will reveal the others in my aformentioned case which shall be presented on Day 3.   Should I live and whatever, of course. 

 

As far as why Vos and Beefarmi's kills......I asked because I really don't know.  What is your take on it?

 

 

You yourself stated your case was bad.  A townies natural reaction to a bad case is to think a scum is behind and push back hard.  Town "hiss" like that because what you said was terribad.

 

Ah yes, the sounds of a desperate man begging for everyone to believe him and not me. 

 

 

Okay Mynd, let's believe you when you say there are 3 people who you think are more likely scum than me.  /sarcasm.  Do you see why the above is a stupid statement?

 

 

Verily, your activity is worthy of commendation.

 

 

 

So I've been pushing Tommy hard and voting him this game yet you can't figure out that was a joke and put it into a narrative of asskissing.  Unbelievable.

 

 or you didn't notice until Tommy brought this up.   As rabid as you have been against me in this game, I highly doubt you even saw this or you would be all over it.

 

 

Take a look back at this game.  Does it, at any point, appear as though I'm not reading anything.  Can you honestly say you don't think I saw that?  It's beyond belief given my activity level and engagement which means you could only be trolling me.

 

Clov's deal was a lot of Teal Deer and stretching....but here we go....

 

Here it is if you missed it.

What I like:

"How is that possibly a reasonable response to what TG said?  Now in the first eleven pages, Mynd has thrown light suspicions at two different players for attempting to play the game.  When they respond to his questions - both of whom gave pretty decent answers IMO - he spins it in a way that makes them look bad, rather than accepting it and moving on."

 

Tg's reaction was not reasonable at all.  Apparently your version of "decent" is different than mine.  Lenlo gave better responses but both were scummy to me, TG more so than Lenlo.  How would calling out someone for doing something in their opinion as scummy be in itself scummy?  How you can believe that TG's reaction to my prodding case was reasonable is beyond me. 

This is a good observation and is exactly what NB has been doing; deflecting with trolling.

"So Mynd comes in, doesn't question Darthe about the target selection, doesn't question Darthe about his request, and he doesn't vote DT despite the fact he wouldn't have been the hammer.  He parks his vote on TG, who he should probably know is off the table as a lynch candidate, even without a guilty on somebody else. That seems more like he knew what was going to happen than an oblivious townie to me."

 

Doesn't question an uncc'd cop in a Basic game? No one did really.  Why is this a Mynd exclusive all of a sudden?  The speed at which you and Tommy voted DT convinces me that it was the right move. 

 

The point that Mynd voted away from Drunk would be really good if Darthe hadn't told people not to vote Drunk, but he's still exhibiting the "troll someone but don't really push them" behavior. He did it again just 30 minutes ago. If you think someone is scum -- you should try to sink them. I get being unsure, but Mynd, you've been taking jabs at TG for like a full irl week and still can't make up your mind about him?

 

First of all, just because someone cries TROLL doesn't mean the person is being one.  My case on TG was simply a poke to get a reaction on somethings that could have been scummy.  His reaction pushed him to the top of my list, and his D2 out the gate push on me furthered that I hit pretty close to the mark.  TG wants you to think my FOS is trolling, which it isn't.  He came at me full on D2 while I was casing other players.

 

What I don't like:

 

Clov posted this but didn't acknowledge my comment about his dialogue with NB sounding w/w. He hasn't posted since. If he comes back to the thread and isn't on Mynd's nuts I'll be disappointed. There should be some dialogue between them rather than a case with no followup. (I thought this came out of nowhere but I see he mentioned Mynd as more likely mafia than TG before he posted this, so meh.)

 

I'd like to see Mynd's response to this.

 

 

Again, full report in the AM, but the short version is this:

 

I think TG could be scum, he's still as scummy as he has been since D1.  He continues to do scummy things and comes across desperate for anyone to agree with him about me.  Unlike TG, I'm also considering other possible scum players and at this point, there are a couple (maybe three) that seem like they could be more likely scum than TG.  It doesn't make TG less scummy, it just makes him less likely to be scum than those other three. 

 

Responding to paragraphs

 

A) My reaction was entirely townie to a bad case that likely had scum behind it.  And nothing about your case was due to me being scummy, it was misrep after bad logic after misrep, so of course I was going to call it out.

 

B) I questioned the un-cc'd cop.  Maybe you aren't reading the game and too busy caught up in spreading WIFOM.

 

C) You're saying I came at you D2 "while you were casing other players" which is a manipulative way of saying that I'm tunneling while you're being reasonable.  Taking a look back I've pushed Clov, Tommy, Nyn, Darthe, and have engaged everyone else. 

 

The reason you couldn't name your "other three" besides me is because you are scum and had to figure out the best way to fabricate your reads.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

List of players

 

1. Darthe

2. Drunk Tank, Bit, Vanilla Town-Lynched Day 3

3. BFArmi(BFG and Csarmi), Ram, Vanilla Town-Killed Night 2

4. Vos, Lora Baines, Vanilla Town-Killed Night 1

5. NotBob

6. Tommy

7. RandA lthor

8. Kronos Clov

9. Nynlia, Sark, Mafia Goon, Lynched Day 2

10. Mynd

11. Lenlo, Alan Bradley, Vanilla Town-Lynched Day 1

12.TG

 

Questions to keep in mynd, going into D4.... Why Vos N1 and why Beefarmi N2?

 

 

Mynd, you were leading a question with this post, so you must have some thoughts. So... let's have it.

 

 

I really cant figure it out.  I understand Beefarmi sorta because he was one of the three mini-trains on D2.  Vos bothers me because.....and don't cry troll.....TG tried to make it seem like I had a strong FOS on Vos.  I didn't.  I just said I usually have a stronger town read on him and that this was the scummiest I've seen him play.  I clearly wasn't calling him any more scum then a bulk of the roster.  I took his killing as maybe they were thinking they could pin it on me?  I dunno....but TG came right out the gate after me when I was actually looking at......ok, I'll say it....Clov and NotBob. 

 

What are your thoughts?  Who would benefit from those two being out of the picture?

 

 

What's with this phrasing?

 

I think Vos and Salami were PR hunts rather than SPK. Salami has a habit of being transparent and claiming for no reason. I saw a post by him on D1 along the lines of "voting me is a bad idea" and saw it as a soft PR claim and started hard defending him after that. If I saw it, it's likely scum saw it as well. I can't explain why Vos would be a PR hunt other than he was cryptic in general on D1 but that's my impression of the kills.

[Tyler Glembo]

 

I wish I was a vig to shoot you for being so insipid.

 

I'm the one trolling.  Riiiiight. 

 

 

Yes.  When you continuously try to fit everything I say into your made up narrative to the point that it goes well beyond believability in any universe then you are the troll. 

 

I need to stop feeding you.

[Tyler Glembo]

What's with this phrasing?

I think Vos and Salami were PR hunts rather than SPK. Salami has a habit of being transparent and claiming for no reason. I saw a post by him on D1 along the lines of "voting me is a bad idea" and saw it as a soft PR claim and started hard defending him after that. If I saw it, it's likely scum saw it as well. I can't explain why Vos would be a PR hunt other than he was cryptic in general on D1 but that's my impression of the kills.

 

 

That doesn't make sense because the way CSarmi said it made it a soft-claim for cop.  After Darthe made his actual claim and I point blank asked CS/BF if they were cop they said no.  Thus, the kill doesn't fit into a PR hunt scenario.

[Tommyrod]

Mynd, Point #2: I agree with what Clov said about you -- you didn't evolve after TG responded to you. Your case was 4/10, his reaction was bad, but you just kept harping on and on and on about it despite dismissing his response to you outright with the "methinks she doth protest too much" comment. So it's not a problem of "how did TG" respond, it's a problem of "how did you respond to how TG responded."

[Tommyrod]

 

What's with this phrasing?

I think Vos and Salami were PR hunts rather than SPK. Salami has a habit of being transparent and claiming for no reason. I saw a post by him on D1 along the lines of "voting me is a bad idea" and saw it as a soft PR claim and started hard defending him after that. If I saw it, it's likely scum saw it as well. I can't explain why Vos would be a PR hunt other than he was cryptic in general on D1 but that's my impression of the kills.

 

 

That doesn't make sense because the way CSarmi said it made it a soft-claim for cop.  After Darthe made his actual claim and I point blank asked CS/BF if they were cop they said no.  Thus, the kill doesn't fit into a PR hunt scenario.

 

 

Salami is the type to hard claim VT on D1 for no reason at all. He could have easily been a doc or bodyguard or a similar role. There's no role distinction in what he said, he just said pushing/voting him was bad. For a transparent guy like Salami, that's a strong telegraph.