[Advanced] Twilight Mafia Game over - Mafia win

[dawnflower8]

 

 

 

Think about the other 2 games I've played. I was scum in both of those. And I don't think I'm really playing the same way as I did the other games, am I? Other games I was scum and was contributing more (even though I did joke around a lot in my last game.)

 

*flaps wings and clucks like a chicken*

 

This post right here- defending yourself by attempting to use your own meta- only strengthens the scumread I have on you Dawn.

 

Think about it for a sec.

 

How difficult would it be to change your playstyle a bit, after a couple of games as scum, in order to use this exact defense at this point? Not that difficult at all. This makes the point you raised completely moot.

 

Furthermore as a newer player, your meta is much more subject to change than most, but honestly I would contest that your play isn't even all that different. I don't care to compare those games with this one however- in this one, your play has seemed scummy to me. You have pretty much failed to contribute anything to the scumhunt, even tho you've been somewhat active. You extended RVS jokes past the stage where they were relevant. You tried blaming your lack of serious play on your PR, even tho your non-serious play was the reason you got a PR in the first place.

 

So why shouldn't I find you scummy, Dawn?

 

And while we're at it- what do you think of me? Do you think I'm scum? Do you have any confident town reads?

 

What you said about the playstyle is pretty true - especially since, at this point, I am playing worse than I did in my last 2 games (not worse as in scummier, worse as in seeming more new) when I think about it. 

 

I'm not getting very good reads this game. Yes, you are at the top of my list for scum - and not just because you are Team Jacob. If that was the case, I'd probably have unvoted you by now and voted Tina or Clov (the other 2 I have scum reads for) instead. The tone of your posts sounds kind of similar to the tone of someone who happened to be mafia in another game I played.

 

Since 3 seems to be the usual number of scum in a game, I'm guessing that the 3 scum are you, Tina, and Clov. 

 

Honsetly, Csarmi does not seem very scummy to me.

 

 

 

To answer Clov's question, my brother is Iceknight. He's even more of a newbie than I am. He basically makes random accusations and gives NO backup or the backup was  "you were mean to me!" and then starts spamming.

 

 

 

Clov: I don´t understand what he was doing on D1. Des says that he scum slipped. Clov tried to explain that if one of the votes on Des was a scum vote then it would have been Cory´s. But he never goes after Cory. Instead he votes Des himself. He also seems to stand on the side line - a comment here, a question there. At the same time I think he have made some logical posts. I have played with him before but don´t know how he played then or if he was town/mafia. I do get bad vibes here.

If he actually scum slipped, why didn't more people vote for him? I have been rather suspicious of him since the beginning, but kind of forgot about him - maybe I shouldn't have. I missed him voting Des instead of Cory - that seems really strange.

 

 

 

Ok, here are my reads (scum to town)

Darthe 

Clov

Despo

Lenlo

Hallia

Dice

Verb

Tommy

 

And I have absolutely no clue about Laya. 

I'm getting a bit more suspicious of Lenlo. At first I completely believed his claim because he said it at a time where not everyone was trying to lynch him, which is a time a lot of mafia will fake claim, I think (because when I've been scum in other games, people would tell me to make fake claims as a last resort as soon as a lot of people tried to lynch me. I never did it though) But now, not so much - 2 of the 3 questions he asked would be pretty easy to figure out on his own. (And maybe the other, but I don't know what that role is so I can't say so.) And the other comments he has made after making that claim are kind of strange. 

 

Hallia's vote on me was really random. She just came in and voted me with no comment on my gameplay. I'm null on her right now just because of how confused I am by this.

 

And I've read a lot of Tommy's posts. I normally will not be confident that anyone's town, but he seems very trustworthy.

I think I just found the smoking gun. Check out this progression on reads. First, these are the only posts where Dawn mentions Clov before he becomes her #2 candidate. But even better, take a look at her list of reads. She's got Darthe at the bottom at me at the top when really she has no business giving me the strongest town lean in the game by that point; she said I 'sounded trustworthy' or some other made up read like that, I'm guessing someone told her not to push me. But by this point she's talked about her scumread on Des for like... ten or one dozen posts, and hasn't discussed Clov at all, yet there he is, scumread #2.

 

And who does she have no lean on?

 

Pral.

 

BOOM.

 

And I've changed since then. Pral seems the second most town to me after Verbal.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

Vote Count

Dice (2) - Hallia, Tommy
Lenlo (2) - Tina, Clov
Pral (2) - Darthe, Dice
Darthe (1) - Dawn
Tina (1) - Lenlo

not voting - Des, Verbal, Pral

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline Monday 5 pm EST around 8 hours

Hey Dawn, you should move your vote. I don't think Darthe is a viable lynch today. Have either of Dice or Hallia been on your suspects list?

Same for you, Len. Let's get some convergence.

 

Yeah, I probably should, since I seem to be the only person with Darthe as a top suspect besides Despo...and he hasn't even voted yet.

 

I'd rather lynch Hallia than Dice, but I don't think that's that much of a possibility at this point so I think I will Vote Dice. He's been acting scummy lately. Might change this vote to Lenlo, though, but I think it's more likely Dice will get lynched.

 

 

Some more: I told her to pick a real wagon since Darthe wasn't getting lynched that day, she follows me onto Dice despite Dice being her third-towniest player in her previous reads list and having not discussed him in any detail. The reason? "He's been acting scummy lately." Wants to lynch Hallia, so joins her on a Dice wagon 

She avoided discussing the Pral wagon at all.

[Tommyrod]

And I've changed since then. Pral seems the second most town to me after Verbal.

Not sure you really have a choice at must lynch than to defend your scumbros. But I'll bite: what did he do to merit that reversal?

[dawnflower8]

What "Pral wagon?"

 

I think Pral is town.

 

 

And I've changed since then. Pral seems the second most town to me after Verbal.

Not sure you really have a choice at must lynch than to defend your scumbros. But I'll bite: what did he do to merit that reversal?

 

Either he hadn't been posting much or I just hadn't been paying attention to his. Now, I have been. He seems very town to me. 

[Hallia]

Are you piggybacking off of my viewing Dawn? If so, why would you still read me as scum?

[Tommyrod]

Ok, here are my reads (scum to town)

Darthe 

Clov

Despo

Lenlo

Hallia

Dice

Verb

Tommy

 

And I have absolutely no clue about Laya. 

I'm getting a bit more suspicious of Lenlo. At first I completely believed his claim because he said it at a time where not everyone was trying to lynch him, which is a time a lot of mafia will fake claim, I think (because when I've been scum in other games, people would tell me to make fake claims as a last resort as soon as a lot of people tried to lynch me. I never did it though) But now, not so much - 2 of the 3 questions he asked would be pretty easy to figure out on his own. (And maybe the other, but I don't know what that role is so I can't say so.) And the other comments he has made after making that claim are kind of strange. 

 

Hallia's vote on me was really random. She just came in and voted me with no comment on my gameplay. I'm null on her right now just because of how confused I am by this.

 

And I've read a lot of Tommy's posts. I normally will not be confident that anyone's town, but he seems very trustworthy.

One scumtell I've found that works pretty reliably is when scum hard defend townies in spots that don't make sense given the momentum of the thread or the actions of the townies until that point. Basically, it's a read that isn't support by threadplay. Here's a shining example of that. 

[Tommyrod]

What "Pral wagon?"

 

I think Pral is town.

 

 

And I've changed since then. Pral seems the second most town to me after Verbal.

Not sure you really have a choice at must lynch than to defend your scumbros. But I'll bite: what did he do to merit that reversal?

 

Either he hadn't been posting much or I just hadn't been paying attention to his. Now, I have been. He seems very town to me. 

 

At the time of that post I quoted you could have voted for Pral, but you voted for Dice, even joining your scumread Hallia on that wagon. Shows you didn't want to vote for a scumbro, pretty simple.

Red: Why? This says nothing.

[dawnflower8]

Are you piggybacking off of my viewing Dawn? If so, why would you still read me as scum?

What is your viewing? Do you also think Verbal and Pral are town and Tommy is scum? 

 

And if someone has the same viewing as me, I am not going to automatically clear them.

 

And yes, I still read you as scum from your random vote on me and then changing the subject to a different player earlier in the game.

[Tommyrod]

 

I'm 99% sure Tina is town. 

 

 

 

Vote Count

 

Dice (2) - Hallia, Tommy

Lenlo (2) - Tina, Clov

Pral (2) - Darthe, Dice

Darthe (1) - Dawn

Tina (1) - Lenlo

 

not voting - Des, Verbal, Pral

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

 

Deadline Monday 5 pm EST around 8 hours

Hey Dawn, you should move your vote. I don't think Darthe is a viable lynch today. Have either of Dice or Hallia been on your suspects list?

 

Same for you, Len. Let's get some convergence.

 

Yeah, I probably should, since I seem to be the only person with Darthe as a top suspect besides Despo...and he hasn't even voted yet.

 

I'd rather lynch Hallia than Dice, but I don't think that's that much of a possibility at this point so I think I will Vote Dice. He's been acting scummy lately. Might change this vote to Lenlo, though, but I think it's more likely Dice will get lynched.

 

I'm still leery of Dawn.  I think this is likely a scum bus vote this close to the deadline.

What about me makes me seem scummy to you? And are you ever going to explain why you voted me earlier in the game giving no reason whatsoever?

 

 

 

By the way Hallia, you should love this post in retrospect.

[dawnflower8]

 

What "Pral wagon?"

 

I think Pral is town.

 

 

And I've changed since then. Pral seems the second most town to me after Verbal.

Not sure you really have a choice at must lynch than to defend your scumbros. But I'll bite: what did he do to merit that reversal?

 

Either he hadn't been posting much or I just hadn't been paying attention to his. Now, I have been. He seems very town to me. 

 

At the time of that post I quoted you could have voted for Pral, but you voted for Dice, even joining your scumread Hallia on that wagon. Shows you didn't want to vote for a scumbro, pretty simple.

Red: Why? This says nothing.

 

At that point in the game, I was barely even apologizing Pral's existence. I don't know why I was ignoring him. 

[Tommyrod]

 

Thanks, love. 

 

Final Vote Count

 

Tina (6) - Tommy, Dice, Darthe, Hallia, Lenlo, Verbal

Dice (1) - Dawn

Dawn (1) - Clov

Verbal (1) - Tina

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

I know this isn't really relevant any more, but when did Clov vote me? I must have missed that. And I kind of want to know why he did.

 

 

 

Currently, my top suspects for scum are:

1. Hallia for her all-around confusing gameplay and random votes

2. Darthe for defending me non-stop...it seems he is trying to make it look like if one of us it scum, we both are. Also his fights with Despo look like they are trying to make it seem like distancing.

3. Despo - see the reason for Darthe.

 

I think Laya, Clov, and Tommy, and Tina are all town. Not sure about the rest of the players.

 

Another smoking gun. She completely flips her read on Clov from #2 scum to one of her top townies without any Clov discussion other than Clov doing something that she appears to find suspicious.

 

Note that Pral is a top town read now. No discussion. Dawn/Pral/Clov team is coming together.

[Tommyrod]

At that point in the game, I was barely even apologizing Pral's existence. I don't know why I was ignoring him.

Look at the post I just quoted. You went from:

 

Clov is #2 scum and having no idea about Pral, to

 

Clov and Pral are both top townies. No discussion. No in-thread basis to support. If anything, what Clov did (vote you) should have made you more suspicious. You never followed up on that, you just cleared him. IIRC, it also wasn't until quite a while later that Clov responded to your post, probably noticed it later and felt it was a loose thread. Lemme find that.

[dawnflower8]

You really think I'm that obvious, huh? Yeah, I'm new, but even in my first game I knew that was a bad idea. 

 

Even if I was scum, which I'm not, I wouldn't be stupid enough to clear all my scummates as town. 

[Tommyrod]

You really think I'm that obvious, huh? Yeah, I'm new, but even in my first game I knew that was a bad idea. 

 

Even if I was scum, which I'm not, I wouldn't be stupid enough to clear all my scummates as town. 

We both know this doesn't mean anything. You and Clov have had repeated "clashes" that never go anywhere. I'm looking at his posts regarding you. He fires at you, you never fire back. Makes no sense.

[dawnflower8]

 

You really think I'm that obvious, huh? Yeah, I'm new, but even in my first game I knew that was a bad idea. 

 

Even if I was scum, which I'm not, I wouldn't be stupid enough to clear all my scummates as town. 

We both know this doesn't mean anything. You and Clov have had repeated "clashes" that never go anywhere. I'm looking at his posts regarding you. He fires at you, you never fire back. Makes no sense.

 

What posts did he fire at me in?

[Tommyrod]

What posts? Like most of his recent ones from the past 3 days. He's keeping you as "an option" from his end without wanting to push the hammer down. He leaves you outs to escape from while showing he's got you as a "serious" lynch candidate.

 

 

 

Unvote, per request.

 

 

How would you know for sure that all the mafia fake claimed, if you're vanilla as you say you are? (Unless you know the other members of the mafia team)

We can just assume that, since there are at least 3 mafia. At least 1 fake claimed. I think all of them fake claimed since I don't think any of the people who haven't are mafia.

 

 

Which claim do you think is the least likely to be true, and which claim do you think has the greatest chance of being a scum role if true?

 

Anybody that wants to weigh in on this question is more than welcome. 

 

 

 

Dawn, if you're still around, I'm still waiting for examples from the game that suggested Hallia has been inconsistent between her reads and her pushes/night targets.  She doesn't have a TON of posts so it shouldn't be overly difficult to find what led you to that conclusion. 

 

 

Unvote, per request.

 

 

How would you know for sure that all the mafia fake claimed, if you're vanilla as you say you are? (Unless you know the other members of the mafia team)

We can just assume that, since there are at least 3 mafia. At least 1 fake claimed. I think all of them fake claimed since I don't think any of the people who haven't are mafia.

 

 

Which claim do you think is the least likely to be true, and which claim do you think has the greatest chance of being a scum role if true?

 

 

 

 

That's because Tom seemed very town to me earlier. I'm starting to rethink that now because I am very confused as to why he was siding with me...he would but make any good progress from that so if was kind of pointless for him to do.

What you said about Des and Darthe it's EXACTLY why I thought they were scum..."there's no plausible reason for them to focus on attacking each other"

And HALLIA is the one with the most inconsistent reads-to-actions.

And I don't even remember why I read you as scum earlier...that has changed now. You are probably town.

 

Bold - But there is a good reason for them to focus on attacking each other.  At least one felt the other was town.  If either was town (we now know Darthe was, and Des has looked better over the past couple phases), he wouldn't have any idea what the other's alignment was.  You have to expect that townies aren't going to see eye to eye all the time, and I'm not sure how else they SHOULD have acted....not push somebody they were highly suspicious of?

 

Underlined - I can work with that.  What examples are you referring to?

 

 

 

That's because Tom seemed very town to me earlier. I'm starting to rethink that now because I am very confused as to why he was siding with me...he would but make any good progress from that so if was kind of pointless for him to do.

What you said about Des and Darthe it's EXACTLY why I thought they were scum..."there's no plausible reason for them to focus on attacking each other"

And HALLIA is the one with the most inconsistent reads-to-actions.

And I don't even remember why I read you as scum earlier...that has changed now. You are probably town.

What do you mean by this? 

What did Clov do to become town to you? 

 

 

Exactly. Her constantly misconstruing anything I say is scummy as all get out.

Vote Dawn

 

Dudette bolted.

 

 

 

 

That's because Tom seemed very town to me earlier. I'm starting to rethink that now because I am very confused as to why he was siding with me...he would but make any good progress from that so if was kind of pointless for him to do.

What you said about Des and Darthe it's EXACTLY why I thought they were scum..."there's no plausible reason for them to focus on attacking each other"

And HALLIA is the one with the most inconsistent reads-to-actions.

And I don't even remember why I read you as scum earlier...that has changed now. You are probably town.

 

Bold - But there is a good reason for them to focus on attacking each other.  At least one felt the other was town.  If either was town (we now know Darthe was, and Des has looked better over the past couple phases), he wouldn't have any idea what the other's alignment was.  You have to expect that townies aren't going to see eye to eye all the time, and I'm not sure how else they SHOULD have acted....not push somebody they were highly suspicious of?

 

Underlined - I can work with that.  What examples are you referring to?

 

 

A few recent posts, the purple being examples of leaving you an out.

I find it difficult to believe that you don't know this when he's written a bunch of posts about you recently.

[Tommyrod]

 

Why am I one of your suspects? 

 

I think you've been playing up the noob card for more than I've seen anyone do - even when they're in their first game.  I get that playing your first game on your own can be fairly daunting, but I just really struggle to wrap my head around ANY of the reads you've had.  Earlier in the game, you said that Despot, Darthe, and I were your top scum reads.  This was when Darthe and Des had spent nearly all of D1 feuding with each other and genuinely attempting to get the other lynched.  Both are experienced players seemingly capable of taking over leadership roles - there's no plausible reason for them to focus on attacking each other. 

 

I know your reads have moved around a bit, but with Darthe dead, you say you can assume that Des is town.  Why?  If you're reaching that conclusion based off his threadplay, I don't see how you weren't there prior to the nightflips.

 

This also explains why I voted you yesterday (to answer your question from before) - inconsistent reads-to-actions.  You made it perfectly clear that you wanted to lynch Hallia.  Fair enough.  Then why would you follow a lynch that she was the first person on?  I don't know Hallia, but I would imagine that she's not going to start a lynch on an unpressured teammate on D2. 

 

Your words haven't really matched your actions in the thread, and it seems to me like you've been following Tom around a bit - somebody who has defended you multiple times, and I am very confident is scum. 

 

 

This one makes me laugh. 

 

 

WHY NOT PRAL? SLANKER CREW.

 

He could certainly be the third mafia member.  I don't have anything to clear him.  His long catch up post (1443) made some points I agreed with (Dawn's answers being unsatisfactory, you seemingly guiding her, vote hopping) but still want to see more from him.  At this stage in the game, he's basically true null, and that's not good.

 

Ding ding ding! 

[Tommyrod]

 

Why am I one of your suspects? 

 

I think you've been playing up the noob card for more than I've seen anyone do - even when they're in their first game.  I get that playing your first game on your own can be fairly daunting, but I just really struggle to wrap my head around ANY of the reads you've had.  Earlier in the game, you said that Despot, Darthe, and I were your top scum reads.  This was when Darthe and Des had spent nearly all of D1 feuding with each other and genuinely attempting to get the other lynched.  Both are experienced players seemingly capable of taking over leadership roles - there's no plausible reason for them to focus on attacking each other. 

 

I know your reads have moved around a bit, but with Darthe dead, you say you can assume that Des is town.  Why?  If you're reaching that conclusion based off his threadplay, I don't see how you weren't there prior to the nightflips.

 

This also explains why I voted you yesterday (to answer your question from before) - inconsistent reads-to-actions.  You made it perfectly clear that you wanted to lynch Hallia.  Fair enough.  Then why would you follow a lynch that she was the first person on?  I don't know Hallia, but I would imagine that she's not going to start a lynch on an unpressured teammate on D2. 

 

Your words haven't really matched your actions in the thread, and it seems to me like you've been following Tom around a bit - somebody who has defended you multiple times, and I am very confident is scum. 

 

 

 

That's because Tom seemed very town to me earlier. I'm starting to rethink that now because I am very confused as to why he was siding with me...he would but make any good progress from that so if was kind of pointless for him to do.

 

What you said about Des and Darthe it's EXACTLY why I thought they were scum..."there's no plausible reason for them to focus on attacking each other"

 

And HALLIA is the one with the most inconsistent reads-to-actions.

 

And I don't even remember why I read you as scum earlier...that has changed now. You are probably town.

 

 

 

That's because Tom seemed very town to me earlier. I'm starting to rethink that now because I am very confused as to why he was siding with me...he would but make any good progress from that so if was kind of pointless for him to do.

 

What you said about Des and Darthe it's EXACTLY why I thought they were scum..."there's no plausible reason for them to focus on attacking each other"

 

And HALLIA is the one with the most inconsistent reads-to-actions.

 

And I don't even remember why I read you as scum earlier...that has changed now. You are probably town.

 

Bold - But there is a good reason for them to focus on attacking each other.  At least one felt the other was town.  If either was town (we now know Darthe was, and Des has looked better over the past couple phases), he wouldn't have any idea what the other's alignment was.  You have to expect that townies aren't going to see eye to eye all the time, and I'm not sure how else they SHOULD have acted....not push somebody they were highly suspicious of?

 

Underlined - I can work with that.  What examples are you referring to?

 

 

To all: check out how this goes down.

 

1. Clov attacks Dawn for being inconsistent.

 

2. Dawn shifts the focus to how other people are scummy. Hallia, Des, Darthe. (Never talks about Clov himself. Never discussed why Clov was her #2 scumread earlier in the game. Never discusses why she moves him into lock clear town category after he nips at her heels for several days.)

 

3. Clov gives Dawn an "out" to work with him on pinning someone else. 

 

Classic distancing. And pretty sneakily executed, too.

[dawnflower8]

Clovdyx, on 24 Apr 2014 - 3:25 PM, said:

 

Clovdyx, on 24 Apr 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

Unvote, per request.

 

dawnflower8, on 24 Apr 2014 - 09:15 AM, said:

 

Hallia, on 24 Apr 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

How would you know for sure that all the mafia fake claimed, if you're vanilla as you say you are? (Unless you know the other members of the mafia team)

We can just assume that, since there are at least 3 mafia. At least 1 fake claimed. I think all of them fake claimed since I don't think any of the people who haven't are mafia.

 

 

Which claim do you think is the least likely to be true, and which claim do you think has the greatest chance of being a scum role if true?

 

Anybody that wants to weigh in on this question is more than welcome. 

 

I think Tommy's claim is fake and Verbal's is true. Lenlo's has the greatest of being true but a scum role.

 

 

Clovdyx, on 24 Apr 2014 - 11:50 AM, said:

Dawn, if you're still around, I'm still waiting for examples from the game that suggested Hallia has been inconsistent between her reads and her pushes/night targets.  She doesn't have a TON of posts so it shouldn't be overly difficult to find what led you to that conclusion. 

Her random vote on me, changing the topic, and refusing to answer me for a really long time.

Clovdyx, on 22 Apr 2014 - 4:09 PM, said:

 

dawnflower8, on 22 Apr 2014 - 4:04 PM, said:

That's because Tom seemed very town to me earlier. I'm starting to rethink that now because I am very confused as to why he was siding with me...he would but make any good progress from that so if was kind of pointless for him to do.

What you said about Des and Darthe it's EXACTLY why I thought they were scum..."there's no plausible reason for them to focus on attacking each other"

And HALLIA is the one with the most inconsistent reads-to-actions.

And I don't even remember why I read you as scum earlier...that has changed now. You are probably town.

 

Bold - But there is a good reason for them to focus on attacking each other.  At least one felt the other was town.  If either was town (we now know Darthe was, and Des has looked better over the past couple phases), he wouldn't have any idea what the other's alignment was.  You have to expect that townies aren't going to see eye to eye all the time, and I'm not sure how else they SHOULD have acted....not push somebody they were highly suspicious of?

 

Underlined - I can work with that.  What examples are you referring to?

 

I think you know, after how much I've pointed it out.

 

 

[Tommyrod]

 

 

That's because Tom seemed very town to me earlier. I'm starting to rethink that now because I am very confused as to why he was siding with me...he would but make any good progress from that so if was kind of pointless for him to do.

 

What you said about Des and Darthe it's EXACTLY why I thought they were scum..."there's no plausible reason for them to focus on attacking each other"

 

And HALLIA is the one with the most inconsistent reads-to-actions.

 

And I don't even remember why I read you as scum earlier...that has changed now. You are probably town.

 

Bold - But there is a good reason for them to focus on attacking each other.  At least one felt the other was town.  If either was town (we now know Darthe was, and Des has looked better over the past couple phases), he wouldn't have any idea what the other's alignment was.  You have to expect that townies aren't going to see eye to eye all the time, and I'm not sure how else they SHOULD have acted....not push somebody they were highly suspicious of?

 

Underlined - I can work with that.  What examples are you referring to?

 

 

I just re-read the entire thread beginning when Hallia came back, and I didn't see anything where she seemed inconsistent.  The most notable thing she's done this game IMO was her role in vetting Tina's claim.  She made it clear she had reason to trust what Tina was saying and could justify her trust in Tina.  She never COMPLETELY cleared Tina as town.  Tom asked if she'd lynch Tina at L-1 to avoid punishment, Hallia said yes, she ended up voting to avoid punishment. 

 

She made it clear who she thought was scum during the phase and was on him for a majority of it.  Her vouching for Verb today seems in line with how she handled the Tina situation. 

 

What did you think was off?

 

Clov questions Dawn but she never replies. Clov quotes me and Hallia and adds the "dudette bolted" post to show he's just as suspicious of her as we are.

 

Dawn's next post is:

 

 

 

Clov / Des / Dawn / Hallia - PLEASE UNVOTE.

 

 

 

@Leelou - do we have a deadline for D3?

Why do you want us to unvote? 

 

[dawnflower8]

So you think that:

1. Clov is distancing himself from me by accusing me of being scum

2. I'm distancing myself from him by not reponding to his posts but also trying to prevent other people from voting him by clearing him

3. I'm trying to protect Laya.

 

I don't remember why I lock cleared Clov. But I'm still wondering something that nobody has answered yet. DID CLOV SCUM SLIP OR NOT?

[Tommyrod]

 

Clovdyx, on 24 Apr 2014 - 3:25 PM, said:

 

Clovdyx, on 24 Apr 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

Unvote, per request.

 

dawnflower8, on 24 Apr 2014 - 09:15 AM, said:

 

Hallia, on 24 Apr 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

How would you know for sure that all the mafia fake claimed, if you're vanilla as you say you are? (Unless you know the other members of the mafia team)

We can just assume that, since there are at least 3 mafia. At least 1 fake claimed. I think all of them fake claimed since I don't think any of the people who haven't are mafia.

 

 

Which claim do you think is the least likely to be true, and which claim do you think has the greatest chance of being a scum role if true?

 

Anybody that wants to weigh in on this question is more than welcome. 

 

I think Tommy's claim is fake and Verbal's is true. Lenlo's has the greatest of being true but a scum role.

 

 

Clovdyx, on 24 Apr 2014 - 11:50 AM, said:

Dawn, if you're still around, I'm still waiting for examples from the game that suggested Hallia has been inconsistent between her reads and her pushes/night targets.  She doesn't have a TON of posts so it shouldn't be overly difficult to find what led you to that conclusion. 

Her random vote on me, changing the topic, and refusing to answer me for a really long time.

Clovdyx, on 22 Apr 2014 - 4:09 PM, said:

 

dawnflower8, on 22 Apr 2014 - 4:04 PM, said:

That's because Tom seemed very town to me earlier. I'm starting to rethink that now because I am very confused as to why he was siding with me...he would but make any good progress from that so if was kind of pointless for him to do.

 

What you said about Des and Darthe it's EXACTLY why I thought they were scum..."there's no plausible reason for them to focus on attacking each other"

 

And HALLIA is the one with the most inconsistent reads-to-actions.

 

And I don't even remember why I read you as scum earlier...that has changed now. You are probably town.

 

Bold - But there is a good reason for them to focus on attacking each other.  At least one felt the other was town.  If either was town (we now know Darthe was, and Des has looked better over the past couple phases), he wouldn't have any idea what the other's alignment was.  You have to expect that townies aren't going to see eye to eye all the time, and I'm not sure how else they SHOULD have acted....not push somebody they were highly suspicious of?

 

Underlined - I can work with that.  What examples are you referring to?

 

I think you know, after how much I've pointed it out.

 

 

 

 

Why are you answering his posts from days ago instead of trying to prove to me you're not scum?!

[Tommyrod]

So you think that:

1. Clov is distancing himself from me by accusing me of being scum

2. I'm distancing myself from him by not reponding to his posts but also trying to prevent other people from voting him by clearing him

3. I'm trying to protect Laya.

 

I don't remember why I lock cleared Clov. But I'm still wondering something that nobody has answered yet. DID CLOV SCUM SLIP OR NOT?

You're harping on absolutely trivial nonsense.

 

Can you refute any of what I said today? If not, die.

[Tommyrod]

Anyway, it seems really obvious to me, folks. 5 hours.

[dawnflower8]

I'm not really sure.

 

But I'll tell you right now that I am NOT SCUM. I'm not really expecting you to believe me though, based on how stupid the town is in this game. You are only focusing on how these 3 specific people might be scum. (Me, Clov, and Pral.) I'm actually laughing right now at how clueless you are and how much you seem to think I'm scum.

 

Also, Tommy: How come earlier in the game you were being friendly with me and thinking I was town, but now you think I'm scum? You question every single time I change what I think  someone's alignment is. Now I'm questioning yours.