[TV] BSG Season 3.5 Discussion

[Werthead]

What is Sci-fi's top show? Stargate?

 

I think so, although obviously not for much longer. I think Doctor Who has topped their charts a couple of times but that's a buy-in, not one of their own shows. In the UK the Sci-Fi Channel's biggest success at the moment is Heroes.

[Guest Emperor]

Yeah but with original programming. Sci Fi has crap made for TV movies, a few ok series, and then BSG/Stargate. I would think BSG would be their bread and butter.

[JenniferL]

That was beautiful. I was completely spoiled, so I was worried they couldn't pull it off, but they did and it was better than I ever thought it could be. I had chills.

[Guest Segurant]

2008! BOOOOOOOOOO :evil:

[Guest Emperor]

Well everything happened as spoiled, so really there were no surprises for me, but it gave me time to think.

 

1. We are missing one Cylon. Who could it be? At this point, I think it could be anyone.

 

2. Why are the 4 new Cylons hearing All Along the Watchtower? This is an Earth song and makes me think that the Cylons have something to do with Earth.

 

3. Wow, do they look close to Earth or what?

[Guest Emperor]

More Galatica news:

 

The “Galactica” TV-movie will tell the tale of Admiral Cain and the battlestar Pegasus.

 

Cain was assassinated by a Cylon in season two and the Pegasus was destroyed in a Cylon battle earlier this season.

 

Moore additionally tells Salon.com that a DVD of the TV-movie will be issued a few days after the movie airs on SciFi.

 

Also in the Salon piece, Moore sounds perhaps more pessimistic about the “Galactica” prequel series, “Caprica,” ever seeing the light of day:

 

It's possible. It's been in development at SciFi for a while and they haven't picked it up. And I don't know if they're going to pick it up at this point. There's talk of doing it as a TV movie and seeing how that works, as a back-door pilot, much as we did with the "Galactica" miniseries. Right now there's nothing telling me that they're going to move on it anytime soon, so I'm starting to feel that it's going to remain on the development shelf.

[JenniferL]

I can't believe we're so close to Earth. I am also more in love with Tigh than ever before.

[Guest Segurant]

maybe they hear the music because they aren't really Cylons, but the Cylons implanted chips to track the fleet. The chip is also picking soundwaves from Earth.

 

Just a thought as I disbelieve they are Cylons.

 

By having Chief and Callie together and having a baby it takes away the signifigance of Hera. Unless Kathana is correct and Callie is sleeping around.

[Guest Emperor]

I am skeptic of them being cylons as well. What is the purpose of Tigh? It just so happens that one of the final five was on the only ship (well Pegasus) that survived the attack. If they are cylons, I find it ironic that the leaders of the revolution against the Cylon invasion on New Caprica were the 4 in that room. Hmm, they did all spend time in a cell at some point..I think.

[Guest Yveva]

ok, the only chick in the room... what's her story? I don't remember anything about her before she started working for Roslin.

[JenniferL]

Keep in mind that the original seven Cylons, don't know the Final Five at all. That's why Three was all "I'm so sorry. I didn't know." when she finally saw their faces. She had done horrible things to them (particularly Anders and Tigh) and was horrified by it.

[Guest Segurant]

with her comment I knew Anders was a big possibility as Ander would have had the most interaction with Three from his days on Caprica and on New Caprica.

[Guest Emperor]

The more I think on it, the more I think they are not Cylon.. or hope they are not Cylons. BSG has spent many episodes devoted to developing the human characteristics of Tigh and Tyrol. The show celebrates how unique humans are and that even if we are flawed, it makes us who we are. Tyrol also has a child with Callie. I think this is misdirection.

 

Also, is Starbuck really back or is this some kind of vision of Lee's?

[Werthead]

Well, Tory only appeared when she started working for Roslin. We never saw her before that.

 

There are multiple explanations for the bizarrity that surrounds the exposure of these four Cylons. The first is the idea that the Final Five, the Original Seven/mechanical Cylons and the Colonials are three distinct factions. The Final Five can manipulate the Original Seven to do their work for them but they have different goals. Both the Colonials and the Seven are trying to find Earth. However, the Final Five may already have been there, given the thirteenth tribe built a temple worshipping them on their way to Earth. I also have a theory that the last of the Final Five may be posing as the Cylon god and responsible for the visions of Baltar and Six. The Final Five may be trying to integrate humanity and Cylons together, but after the failure of New Caprica (which they themselves orchestrated, since all the four revealed Cylons were all in positions of authority in the Insurgency) and the re-drawing of the battlelines between the two sides, they've been forced to break cover and take direct action. I'm guessing Starbuck's death and apparent resurrection was the 'wake-up call' for them. If the Final One Cylon (as we must now call him) is responsible for HeadSix and HeadBaltar, then he may also have been responsible for HeadLeoben who guided Starbuck to her destiny.

 

An alternate, interesting idea: Caprica airs and in it we meet the designers of the mechanical Cylons. And they are Tigh, Tory, Anders and Tyrol...

 

Corny as hell, but it's a logical way of allowing the Final Five Cylons to exist before there were supposedly Cylons in the first place (i.e. Tigh).

[Guest Emperor]

Tigh said he was in the military for 40 years....

 

The Cylon war was 40 years ago.

[Guest Yveva]

I get why those four could be/are cylons, but it kinda pisses me off and is anticlimactic. It feels rushed, after all that teasing, after revealing other cylons only slowly, one or two at a time, revealing four all at once just seems annoying. And a little bit lazy.

 

That's why I hope that they AREN'T cylons and it's just some serious misdirection.

[Guest Emperor]

How would you rank this season with the previous 2?

 

1,3,2 I think.... and 3 is only better than 2 because of Exodus.

[Werthead]

2, Mini-Series, 1..........3

 

After rewatching them a few times, I may have to reverse my previous position that Exodus is the best episode in the show's history and replace it with Pegasus from Season 2, which was simply better from start to finish. In Exodus Part 2 the whole Starbuck/Casey/Leoben plot was rather tedious and the editing was pretty poor (as in most Season 3 episodes). Plus, although the CGI was pretty good in Exodus 2, it was simply far superior in the Pegasus three-parter (the battle where the Galactica and Pegasus blow apart one basestar and the res. ship and cripple the other basestar is astonishing, and the CGI of far higher quality than Exodus).

 

Aside from the first four episodes of Season 3 and maybe the last three, the season was disappointing. Most of the episodes have been chopped to pieces and re-edited really badly, the CGI has been variable in quality and there's been some dodgy acting and characterisation (mainly involving Lee, who one second is advocating genocide and the next is defending the guy he knows is a dodgy, slimy, probable traitor). We also had the worst two episodes in the show's history (Hero and The Woman King).

 

Season 1 is very good, but Season 2 wins out because of the way the storylines fitted together: the coup, the Pegasus arc, the integration of the two Battlestars, and the election/New Caprica. Black Market was a poor episode and Epiphanies was a bit 'Meh', but the rest of the season was very strong.

[Guest Yveva]

I love the Pegasus episodes. Having a new bigass ship just come out of nowhere was superfantastic and I didn't see it coming. It opened up some really interesting plot possibilities and I liked the mix of personalities and politics. I loved that we saw Adama struggling with not being the big bad leader of all and having to justify his position, etc etc. Fantabulous.

[Guest Emperor]

I agree Wert, season 2 was the best complete season.... well I would say after 1. Season 3 had the best single episodes though.

[JenniferL]

Is it wrong to be sexually attracted to a TV show?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLTumk3OXMg

 

Because if it is, I don't want to be right.

[Guest Emperor]

Wow, thanks for the reminder of the show I will have to wait for until 08!

 

0 F-ing 8

[Werthead]

Well, apart from the TV movie which is airing much sooner (October 2007, I believe)...

[JenniferL]

I'm just happy that I can listen to Bear McCready's version of "Watchtower" any time I like now, without having to wait for the soundtrack release in August. The fact that it comes coupled with the best four minutes of Galactica EVER is bonus.

 

And Apollo is smokin' hot in his lawyer get up.