[Basic] Operation Domination - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Gabriel Kross]

Blarg... I didn't realise I had switched back to my acct... Not that people didn't know I was EP anyways...

[Graendal-Mafia]

wtf I sign out sign in on alt and it still showed me on my main I'm about to toss this computer

[Graendal-Mafia]

Vote Asmodean. Let´s see who will kill him this time.

 

Ok, this very early in joke vote phase, no relevance at the time of posting will come back to this later.

 

Is the Asmo vc right?

 

This however was interesting, aparently there was a typo in the votecount on Asmo and Mordeth jumps in and is like is that right?

 

Weekend. It shouldn´t stop us from killing Asmo though.

Psh. I'm an easy lynch, you know.

Fixed that for ya.

 

This exchange between the 3 of them fetlt like subtle distancing to me (obviously Moridin took out the not from what Asmo actually said but I am only quoting Moridin's post to make it as short as possible even though there are only 9 quotes here)

 

 

I don´t like the way Graendal puts preausre on SH because he is Rand. I don´t know what have happened in previous games. I guess he made some mistakes as scum? Anyway, this is an alt game and I don´t like votes based on what player is behind the alt.

 

Lot of people that haven´t voted yet.

 

He outed himself he gave us the information. The more information town has the better we can find the scum I don't like this descrediting because I was using meta on Rand

 

As soon as Graendal started to get pressure Moridin gets a lot of votes. Unvote. Vote Graendal.

 

Subtle redirect off the Moridin train onto me, given we know Moridin's alignment this post should have been scrutinised. I think the only one that brought this up was Halima, I was so busy arguing with scummy cop (not saying he is mafia atm but am saying he is playing scummy) and Scumodean that I completely forgot about Mordeth and Mesana.

 

I have no idea what the vc is but unvote, vote Moridin.

 

Here we have scum trying to slip in just in time to be on the record of voting the busted scum buddy

 

I also reacted to Moridin´s reveal, since Poet is a staff member, not an admin. (You get it by now.) It seems like Asmo doesn´t understand the difference between a staff member and an admin. Try this. It´s funny that he tries to spin this to look like Greandal is scummy. Everyone that have been at DM for some time knows the difference between an admin and a staff member. If you played a Disney game and someone claimed Donald Duck /mouse then you would react. This is the same thing.

 

SH will have my vote tomorrow and Asmo is the next one if nothing else come up.

 

About directing the cop - it´s never good. Someone said that mafia would only do it if they have a GF but they could also have a watcher and then they will know who the cop is.

 

Here we have Mordeth saying he reacted to the Poet thing... did anyone else see a reaction? I looked at every post from Mordeth and there was none, there is only one post I left out of this and it was before the 3 way between Mordeth/Moridin/Asmo so yea... total bs there Mordeth flag thrown. He says he will vote Asmo on there too but when the SH train never really started he never returns to move his vote to Asmo. Remember Asmo was getting drilled pretty hard from this point on.

 

Vote SH.

 

slips in to vote SH He is on record as voting the person he said he'd vote.

 

My reason for voting SH has to do with Moridin´s defens of him and also the way SH defended Moridin. We are so used to se WIFOM everywhere and believe in well thought out plots. Sometimes we forget to look at the simple scumtells as what it is - scumtells. I bet Mordinin said in the qt that no one would believe in that obvious scum protecting scum scenario so lets go for it.

 

This is the last post from Mordeth, he doesn't even return to dump a vote on me during Dashiva's shenanigans and that was an easy way out from him saying he'd vote Asmo.

 

Side Note Asmo I notice something funny going back looking at Mordeth's posts. You posted alot to bury your day play. Naughty scum you.

 

Here is my case on Moridin, under legal acct.

[Graendal-Mafia]

Mordeth*

[Graendal-Mafia]

Cool, Scum list:

 

Mordeth

Mesana

Asmo

 

Willing to go with whichever one the majority wants.

 

3 Cases incoming.

 

And my Scum list... FML this alt crap is hard at work at 2am

[Graendal-Mafia]

Ok case number 2, my my Asmo you did a great job of hiding your team mates with all your bulldogging, you almost almost succeeded too.

 

I wonder how much of Day 1 will be actual game talk and IC ribbing.

 

Mesaana seemed in a hurry to get started here (btw where are you now Mesaana? You disapeared the moment Moridin flipped, you never did vote him btw

 

Well this has gotten interesting.

 

I do think those who hopped on that train could be looked at closer. They were the first ones to bring a train past the regular 1 or 2 joke votes. Maybe trying to get it to snowball?

 

Hmmm, looking to discredit the people on the train, almost as if you know the outcome of the train

 

unvote

Vote: Mesaana

 

Womby that you?

 

Well this has gotten interesting.

 

I do think those who hopped on that train could be looked at closer. They were the first ones to bring a train past the regular 1 or 2 joke votes. Maybe trying to get it to snowball?

 

This post smells like it was picked up off a midden heap. Expressing the sentiment that the first real train is scum-led while saying nothing else.

Never said it was scum lead. Just thought they should be looked at abit more. And the reason is mostly because of how weak their voting reasons were. If they had an actual reason to start the train then it wouldnt be as suspicious, but right now it looks like they are voting because Rand slipped up and posted in the wrong account.

 

I agree with Dembat the post was pretty foul, also likeing Dembat's instincts early game, even though he turned out to be wrong on Moridin. The way I saw the votes (other than my own because I went into my reasons later) is they were putting pressure on to see what kind of reactions SH would give. I still think Rand version was pretty scummy but I'll let new SH have a chance to get some game play in before I judge that.

 

This Moridin train built really fast. Infact the last 4 votes on him all came within the span of an 2 hours.

 

Graendal, calling youself a townie doesnt mean you are one. Ive seen, and been, the scum try and disregard such votes by saying "Im a town and I am selfless. I am willing to take one for the team." Before. Along with the fact that you suddenly arnt going to defend against that "silly" vote when you have been responding to most everything said against you up till now reeks.

 

Vote Graendal.

 

This post was just as bad as Mordeth's near identical post. The vote was silly. You just voted me to redirect off Moridin.

 

 

Sleep.. You always get in the way.

 

Alright well now we have a real doc one way or the other so one of them scum. Heres hoping its Moridin.

 

Yet you didn't vote him... your vote held no purpose on me. You left yourself some leeway saying you hope Moridin is scum but this post is all kinds of scummy

 

Alright. Welp still good with my vote.

 

Way I see it is that we know one of them is the scum so now that we have one pegged between the two of them we can have our cop view one, telling us which is the real doctor at a later point in the game. While they are alive we can continue to get reactions and information from everyone else. This should also help the Doc figure out who to view. If he finds the real doc then he can view the people who were for believing that person over the other person and vice versa.

 

All in all should help catch scum and minimize the risk of losing our Doc on D1.

 

This made no sense you were guiding the cop to view Halima, even though the flip on Moridin already would answer the doc WIFOM. You were advocating that everyone unvote sure scum. Mesaana you failed miserably with this post.

[Graendal-Mafia]

Also, that is pretty much every post from Mesaana except her first post.

[Graendal-Mafia]

Now before I start my Asmo case I want to point out Asmo claims to have lead the lynch on Moridin, yet he has maybe 5 post addressing Moridin. The majority of his posts when he is supposedly casing Moridin are directed at Dembat this was the interesting thing I noticed while reviewing Mordeth's post. The scum teams strategy is a simple one. 2 mmbers were supposed to be vocal so that the others could hide as we see Mesaana and Mordeth did. I am unsure on the remaining scum because they seem to be good at hiding. If I didn't know any better I'd say Asmo was Ape with his claim of leading the Moridin train but I'll let you judge with my WoT from day 1 on Asmo.

[Graendal-Mafia]

Ok here is up to page 10, I'll let you look for yourself how much Asmo is leading the train. He replaced in just in time to get his vote in before Moridin fake claimed convenient that. Read the proof while I get to the actual back and forths he had.

 

I declare right now that the hammer vote on Asmo has to be Graendal. All in favor, signify by pledging your souls to the Great Lord. All opposed, signify by pledging your souls to the Great Lord with your fingers crossed.

Already setting up my death? Ishamael killed me.

Weekend. It shouldn´t stop us from killing Asmo though.

Psh. I'm not an easy lynch, you know.

Lynch SH, then Moridin. Moridin is either defending a buddy or defending an unknown entity way too hard.

 

On second thought, that doesn't make sense. We can deal with SH later.

 

Unvote: Vote Moridin.

As I would have voted anyone who made that slip. It was a panic move and you know it, defending it means you are scum. Either you are defending SH to look more town because you know he is town, or you are defending a scum buddy who is flailing.

 

Unvote vote Moridin

 

Just so you know SH you are not off the hook, I just think Moridin is the better day 1 lynch, as we can all enjoy your flail for one more day.

Any reason why Mesaana over Moridin? You seem convinced that Moridin's scum (by the way, it started as a joke vote, but it's staying right where it is). This is non-accusatory, by the way. Just genuine curiosity.

 

I shouldn't seem sure that Moridin's scum. I gave him a 60% chance. But I voted for Mesaana because it's nice to make edgy players edgier, sometimes.

 

Speaking of Moridin, anybody noticing how he's sticking up for Rand so much? Why might that be? Perhaps there's something to this case of Graendal's after all.

 

Not really a case of sticking up for RH, more a case of seeing obvious scum using scummy reasoning to pull off a scummy lynch. It could have been anyone who made the slip, I would still call it out. Principles, people.

The defense here seems more of a scum tell. Vote Moridin

Normally I would call someone out for trying to protect someone who is town to seem more town, but Moridin's arguments have been true and I haven't seen much in that that seems like scum looking for a way to protect town. However, it could be that he sees an illegitimate case on a townie and wants to take advantage of that in a different way while his teammates take advantage in the normal way while still distancing. Right now, i will hold off on the Moridin WIFOM.

 

Irony. You haz it.

 

Unvote. Vote Moridin.

 

More and more these two are striking me as teammates.

Any reason why Mesaana over Moridin? You seem convinced that Moridin's scum (by the way, it started as a joke vote, but it's staying right where it is). This is non-accusatory, by the way. Just genuine curiosity.

 

I shouldn't seem sure that Moridin's scum. I gave him a 60% chance. But I voted for Mesaana because it's nice to make edgy players edgier, sometimes.

 

Speaking of Moridin, anybody noticing how he's sticking up for Rand so much? Why might that be? Perhaps there's something to this case of Graendal's after all.

 

Not really a case of sticking up for RH, more a case of seeing obvious scum using scummy reasoning to pull off a scummy lynch. It could have been anyone who made the slip, I would still call it out. Principles, people.

The defense here seems more of a scum tell. Vote Moridin

 

Saying someone dropped a scumtell without elaborating is my bag. Get your own.

 

The case on Moridin is not bad for D1. What I find interesting is the people trying to tie Moridin and Shaidar Haran together. It is pretty poor scum strategy to openly defend teammates on D1, so I doubt they are both scum. I think an SH or Moridin lynch could prove very enlightening with regards to whoever doesn't get lynched and the people trying to tie them together.

 

unvote

Vote: Moridin

Unvote Vote Moridin

 

Moridin's defense of Rand def seems like the scummier move here, and I really didn't like the way he tried to call out Graendal for flailing just because the game had picked up

Asmodean v.2 checking in.

 

A clever mafia might predict a day 1 flub from SH and be ready to rush in to defend him. I see no other reason for Moridin to stick his neck out like he did. My bet is that SH is not mafia - no mafia team is going to risk 2 players on day 1 - and that Moridin got greedy and sloppy in jumping in there to try and boost his town cred.

 

Unvote - Vote Moridin

Unvote

 

Vote Moridin

Close enough. Didn't want it to come to this but L2 is too close for comfort.

 

I'm the Doc. Carry on.

[Graendal-Mafia]

Now, let's see how much he cased Moridin and how much he attacked Dembat shall we?

 

Close enough. Didn't want it to come to this but L2 is too close for comfort.

 

I'm the Doc. Carry on.

 

I know I feel better now.

 

You're the Doc, so naturally you decided to jump into a little day 1 controversy. Got it. It's funny, most Docs, or any town power roles, would have a problem opening up a game by sticking up for a player that they know nothing about and risking this kind of attention and potential damage to the town.

 

Ok, he casts suspicion here. This I can count as casing Moridin

 

unvote

 

No counterclaims, please

 

Whew, that one stinks.

 

Here he attacks Dembat so D1-M1

 

unvote

 

No counterclaims, please

 

Whew, that one stinks.

 

I didn't expect a novice like yourself to understand the logic of this situation.

 

Oh my.

 

*isallflusterednow*

 

I'm sure you're right. I'll just sit quietly and try to learn from your excellent play.

 

D2-M1

 

I wonder, is Asmo trying to bus or just ignorant?

 

This must be a huge coincidence because I was wondering if you could defend Moridin any harder, or if you wanted to discuss the merits and benefits of a likely false claim?

 

D3-M1

 

Why don't we start with a few silly questions?

 

What are the odds that the first train of the game would nab a Doc?

 

Why would a Doc choose to draw unnecessary attention to themselves by sticking up for a player they know nothing about?

 

Does it seem likely that a mafia team might spot a goof from a player that they know is not mafia so that they look good when that player is revealed as town?

 

Keep in mind that there is no rush to lynch Moridin, now at L-3. But some folks might see the wisdom of looking into the above questions a bit more before heading in a different direction, like you seem to be in a hurry to do.

 

In fairness I have to give Asmo this one, all though he isn't addressing anything that Moridin did that was scummy which is what he has been advocating all game. He still is casting suspicion on Moridin. Though it kinda feels as if he already knew 100% that Moridin was going to flip scum so he was just gettin this in there to look town.

 

D3-M2

 

I am more than happy to discuss the merits of such a claim. Doctor is an exceedingly stupid fake claim for scum to make.

 

Yeah, cause it would just be stupid to either kill the Doc after they counterclaimed, or alternatively, to ride through the game unchallenged until the Doc dies.

 

But please, oh mafia prodigy, explain more of your wisdom to us.

 

D4-M2

 

Why don't we start with a few silly questions?

 

1. What are the odds that the first train of the game would nab a Doc?

 

2. Why would a Doc choose to draw unnecessary attention to themselves by sticking up for a player they know nothing about?

 

3. Does it seem likely that a mafia team might spot a goof from a player that they know is not mafia so that they look good when that player is revealed as town?

 

Keep in mind that there is no rush to lynch Moridin, now at L-3. But some folks might see the wisdom of looking into the above questions a bit more before heading in a different direction, like you seem to be in a hurry to do.

Why don't we start with a few silly questions?

 

1. What are the odds that the first train of the game would nab a Doc?

 

2. Why would a Doc choose to draw unnecessary attention to themselves by sticking up for a player they know nothing about?

 

3. Does it seem likely that a mafia team might spot a goof from a player that they know is not mafia so that they look good when that player is revealed as town?

 

Keep in mind that there is no rush to lynch Moridin, now at L-3. But some folks might see the wisdom of looking into the above questions a bit more before heading in a different direction, like you seem to be in a hurry to do.

 

1. Low. Low as in 5% - that's pretty low. On the other hand, it might be the first role the mafia would fake claim, seeing how important it is and all.

 

2. I don't know. Personally, I would rather attack a player I know nothing about. No one asked you what you would do - your actions are not being discussed (yet). The question is why would Moridin do what he did? Putting together a case based on his actions seems like a good idea since there is a 95% likelihood he is not the Doc.

 

Unlikely for an experienced mafia team. Likely for any other mafia team. Thanks for not helping in any way whatsoever.

 

No rush to lynch Moridin? L2 is pretty close to lynch and votes were coming pretty quick (you may have missed this, but he is only at L3 because I unvoted) Hence my mention of it. And not in a good way.

I am more than happy to discuss the merits of such a claim. Doctor is an exceedingly stupid fake claim for scum to make.

 

Yeah, cause it would just be stupid to either kill the Doc after they counterclaimed, or alternatively, to ride through the game unchallenged until the Doc dies.

 

But please, oh mafia prodigy, explain more of your wisdom to us.

 

I am more than happy to let a scum ride through the game if it means a doctor rides through the game. Doctor is the most important role at endgame.

 

Cop is also an important role, I think, and Cops are expected to reveal if they find mafia. But you are happy to let scum ride through the game? I think that the mafia are glad you are playing the game

 

At the risk of quoting pop-culture, you are glib. You come across like an experienced mafia player, but offer nothing. maybe you should dust off that big head of yours and jump in and play.

 

More attacking of Dembat but notice he is careful not to call him scum.

 

D5-M2

 

How about we all discuss what has happened and then let the group make a decision? I have brought up some questions that I would like to know everyone's thoughts on. I am not ready to recommend or to go along with any action yet. Let each player share their thoughts before anyone does anything.

 

Here he isn't casing just pointing back to the same questions he posted before kinda just going through the motions in my book so no one gets this one.

 

D5-M2

 

 

Meh, I already said this before, I didn't stick up for Rand. You could have inserted "Generic Player X" and I would have made the same argument.

 

Not really a case of sticking up for RH, more a case of seeing obvious scum using scummy reasoning to pull off a scummy lynch. It could have been anyone who made the slip, I would still call it out. Principles, people.

 

As for the Doc supposedly sitting back and not calling out scummy behavior, why don't I just go take a three day nap and just wait for Night to actually play the game? That's the most absurd logic I've ever heard. Are you seriously suggesting that I not make cases and vote for players that exhibit scummy behavior? What's the point in even playing then? The fact that I have a role shouldn't just send me into hibernation for fear that someone might actually disagree with me.

 

Also, it's been a few hours since I stated what role I have. Haven't seen a hint of a CC yet. Kinda makes ya think don't it?

 

We also haven't seen a hint of the vast majority of the other players, so this is a lame argument.

 

Nor have we seen a hint of the all knowing Demandred after he accused me of lurking.

 

Kinda makes me think that if you were the real Doc, you would just invite the Cop to investigate you, as is the obvious move. Your logic just makes me think that you actually are mafia.

 

I would have waited to bring this up, obviously wanting to see how others spun it, but SH keeps bolding that he wants the Doc to reveal and that would, of course, is a very bad idea.

 

So, so far, we've got pompous "experienced" players and impetuous new players, all giving out bad advice. What could go wrong?

 

Here green mine you state something that you called Dembat out on earlier, when he said no counterclaims

 

this is at Moridin but again forced. and scummy backpeddling to boot.

 

D5-M3

[Graendal-Mafia]

"Low as in 5% - that's pretty low. On the other hand, it might be the first role the mafia would fake claim, seeing how important it is and all."

 

Maybe. It's the last role they should claim though. Basically means that if they want be able to count on their kills going through at endgame, they have to sacrifice a member.

 

 

 

"No one asked you what you would do - your actions are not being discussed (yet). The question is why would Moridin do what he did? Putting together a case based on his actions seems like a good idea since there is a 95% likelihood he is not the Doc."

 

Well I'm not Moridin so I can't very well tell you why he did anything. I can speculate though.

 

If town: Saw allegedly scummy votes and decided to get into the fray because he can't be easily nightkilled. Inadvisable and it backfired.

If scum: Saw allegedly scummy votes and decided to get into the fray to look more town. Inadvisable and it backfired.

 

Neither of those seem like good reasons to get involved to me. His play has been questionable regardless of his alignment.

 

 

"Hence my mention of it. And not in a good way."

 

WHOOSH

 

 

"Cop is also an important role, I think, and Cops are expected to reveal if they find mafia. But you are happy to let scum ride through the game? I think that the mafia are glad you are playing the game"

 

Maybe you expect that. Personally I prefer my cops to try to get their first guilty lynched by casing rather than outright claiming.

 

Also,the 95% argument is specious. More on this in my next post.

5% chance that any given player is the doc. Approximately 25% chance that any given player is scum (going by rule of thumb). That means a player is 5 times more likely to be scum than to be the doc. 5 to 1 odds (which translates to an 83.3% chance that Moridin is scum if you rule out the possibility that he is fake claiming as town).

 

I think it is somewhat safe to rule out Moridin fake claiming as town.

 

So in all likelihood, the odds of Moridin being scum are, although still high, significantly lower than you would have everyone believe. So now we can do a risk-reward analysis.

This is of course ignoring other aspects of Moridin's gameplay.

 

You talk out of your backside worse than anyone else I can think of.

 

More Dembat attacking

 

D6-M3

 

If I'm not mistaken, our deadline is in 8.5 hours and SH is the vote leader. For the sake of avoiding Red's wrath and because enough folks have a scum read for a day 1 lynch:

 

Unvote Moridin - Vote SH

 

Here is where I said he backed down, there was plenty of time to try to convince people to move back to Moridin if you had actually been casing him. What you were doing was calling out Dembat for being hesitent to vote him. Nothing else about Moridin scum from this point on.

 

Unvote. Vote Moridin

 

His next post disregarding the fix to his moving to SH he had no choice but to move back since Halima CC'd and he had "cased" Moridin. Sucks to put your foot in your mouth don't it Asmo?

 

 

Moridin - Nae, Previous GL of the Shayol Ghul Community and Vanilla Mafia has been lynched.

 

 

it is now Night. Deadline is Friday August 17 @ 11am CST or when all Night Actions have been recieved

 

Here the result

 

Final total for the Day 1 Asmo casing is Dembat attacks 6 Moridin ase 3.

 

You totally led this case Asmo how could I have missed it? (sarcasm btw)

[Graendal-Mafia]

I think that is enough for you all to mull over for now.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

I am so glad that the game warned me before I did what GraendEP just did. I had a case for Asmo ready, but GraendEP covered all the points I was going to bring up and then some. Since I don't want to kill everybody with another WoT, I'm just going to vote Asmo.

[Graendal-Mafia]

I went through the thread completely twice, and then through day 1 (page 20ish) a third time for all 3 of those cases.

[Graendal-Mafia]

I am interested in hearing what Asmo has to say now.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

It's creative - I'll give it that. And I'll leave it up to others to ask me anything if they feel it necessary.

 

Everybody is familiar with painting cases to look the way that you want. By nature, that is what a case is, so good for you for finally trying to be productive.

 

I do find it entertaining that you opened the game with bully tactics, reverted to martyrdom, got scumtastic with the don't lynch-me-boogie, and now you've thrown on a pair of glasses to present your case.

 

I'm available if anyone needs me.

[Graendal-Mafia]

It's creative - I'll give it that. And I'll leave it up to others to ask me anything if they feel it necessary.

 

Everybody is familiar with painting cases to look the way that you want. By nature, that is what a case is, so good for you for finally trying to be productive.

 

I do find it entertaining that you opened the game with bully tactics, reverted to martyrdom, got scumtastic with the don't lynch-me-boogie, and now you've thrown on a pair of glasses to present your case.

 

I'm available if anyone needs me.

 

You obviously haven't played many games with me. It's how I roll.Start out hard. finish smart. (actually I just wanted to say something funny this post has no real relevance lol)

[Niniel]

From your casing I would say that Mesaana looks most scummy. I haven´t had the time to re-read and I don´t know when I will get it.

 

I don´t like Darshiva´s reveal. It was unnecessary. I guess I will unvote. I still feel that SH is scummy, both because of the way Moridin defended him and the way SH defended Moridin. But I will leave it for now. Don´t know who to vote yet.

 

I guess EP want me to comment on his case on me but I don´t know what to say.

[Graendal-Mafia]

Tina lol.

[Rita Skeeter]

Dear mod, I´m so sorry.

 

Well, know that you know who I am (if it wasn´t obvious before) I can tell you that the reason that I haven´t been here is because I have not been feeling good this weekend. My daughter hit her head today and we are a little worried that she has had an concussion. That is why I won´t re-read today. Red, you have to decide if you want to replace me or not.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

Ok case number 2, my my Asmo you did a great job of hiding your team mates with all your bulldogging, you almost almost succeeded too.

 

I wonder how much of Day 1 will be actual game talk and IC ribbing.

 

Mesaana seemed in a hurry to get started here (btw where are you now Mesaana? You disapeared the moment Moridin flipped, you never did vote him btw)

 

Wasnt in a hurry. Was a legitimate question. There was alot of IC ribbing going on after all.

 

Well this has gotten interesting.

 

I do think those who hopped on that train could be looked at closer. They were the first ones to bring a train past the regular 1 or 2 joke votes. Maybe trying to get it to snowball?

 

Hmmm, looking to discredit the people on the train, almost as if you know the outcome of the train

 

Or, and this is a long shot I know, I was actually concerned about a quick snowball.

 

unvote

Vote: Mesaana

 

Womby that you?

 

Well this has gotten interesting.

 

I do think those who hopped on that train could be looked at closer. They were the first ones to bring a train past the regular 1 or 2 joke votes. Maybe trying to get it to snowball?

 

This post smells like it was picked up off a midden heap. Expressing the sentiment that the first real train is scum-led while saying nothing else.

Never said it was scum lead. Just thought they should be looked at abit more. And the reason is mostly because of how weak their voting reasons were. If they had an actual reason to start the train then it wouldnt be as suspicious, but right now it looks like they are voting because Rand slipped up and posted in the wrong account.

 

I agree with Dembat the post was pretty foul, also likeing Dembat's instincts early game, even though he turned out to be wrong on Moridin. The way I saw the votes (other than my own because I went into my reasons later) is they were putting pressure on to see what kind of reactions SH would give. I still think Rand version was pretty scummy but I'll let new SH have a chance to get some game play in before I judge that.

 

This Moridin train built really fast. Infact the last 4 votes on him all came within the span of an 2 hours.

 

Graendal, calling youself a townie doesnt mean you are one. Ive seen, and been, the scum try and disregard such votes by saying "Im a town and I am selfless. I am willing to take one for the team." Before. Along with the fact that you suddenly arnt going to defend against that "silly" vote when you have been responding to most everything said against you up till now reeks.

 

Vote Graendal.

 

This post was just as bad as Mordeth's near identical post. The vote was silly. You just voted me to redirect off Moridin.

 

Or I voted you because I thought you are scum. Theres always that possibility. Not everything is an attempt to to discredit things or redirect things Mr.Paranoid. Sometimes a vote is just a vote.

 

 

Sleep.. You always get in the way.

 

Alright well now we have a real doc one way or the other so one of them scum. Heres hoping its Moridin.

 

Yet you didn't vote him... your vote held no purpose on me. You left yourself some leeway saying you hope Moridin is scum but this post is all kinds of scummy

 

I misread Reds post about how the voting would work. I did not notice that it would take 100% of us voting on his train to achieve a lynch. I still thought it was majority and I see no reason to pile onto a lynch that had already reached said majority.

 

Alright. Welp still good with my vote.

 

Way I see it is that we know one of them is the scum so now that we have one pegged between the two of them we can have our cop view one, telling us which is the real doctor at a later point in the game. While they are alive we can continue to get reactions and information from everyone else. This should also help the Doc figure out who to view. If he finds the real doc then he can view the people who were for believing that person over the other person and vice versa.

 

All in all should help catch scum and minimize the risk of losing our Doc on D1.

 

This made no sense you were guiding the cop to view Halima, even though the flip on Moridin already would answer the doc WIFOM. You were advocating that everyone unvote sure scum. Mesaana you failed miserably with this post.

 

But it wasnt a sure scum! We know he is scum now but at the time we had a Doc and a counter-claiming doc. Either one could have been scum. What I was proposing is that we let the cop view one of them so that we minimize the risk of lynching the real doc to almost nothing while guaranteeing that we would lynch scum. It would also let the cop have a good idea of who to view once he found which of them was lying so that he could find even more scum.

 

 

 

Blue

[Graendal-Mafia]

Ok case number 2, my my Asmo you did a great job of hiding your team mates with all your bulldogging, you almost almost succeeded too.

 

I wonder how much of Day 1 will be actual game talk and IC ribbing.

 

Mesaana seemed in a hurry to get started here (btw where are you now Mesaana? You disapeared the moment Moridin flipped, you never did vote him btw)

 

Wasnt in a hurry. Was a legitimate question. There was alot of IC ribbing going on after all.

 

Well this has gotten interesting.

 

I do think those who hopped on that train could be looked at closer. They were the first ones to bring a train past the regular 1 or 2 joke votes. Maybe trying to get it to snowball?

 

Hmmm, looking to discredit the people on the train, almost as if you know the outcome of the train

 

Or, and this is a long shot I know, I was actually concerned about a quick snowball.

 

unvote

Vote: Mesaana

 

Womby that you?

 

Well this has gotten interesting.

 

I do think those who hopped on that train could be looked at closer. They were the first ones to bring a train past the regular 1 or 2 joke votes. Maybe trying to get it to snowball?

 

This post smells like it was picked up off a midden heap. Expressing the sentiment that the first real train is scum-led while saying nothing else.

Never said it was scum lead. Just thought they should be looked at abit more. And the reason is mostly because of how weak their voting reasons were. If they had an actual reason to start the train then it wouldnt be as suspicious, but right now it looks like they are voting because Rand slipped up and posted in the wrong account.

 

I agree with Dembat the post was pretty foul, also likeing Dembat's instincts early game, even though he turned out to be wrong on Moridin. The way I saw the votes (other than my own because I went into my reasons later) is they were putting pressure on to see what kind of reactions SH would give. I still think Rand version was pretty scummy but I'll let new SH have a chance to get some game play in before I judge that.

 

This Moridin train built really fast. Infact the last 4 votes on him all came within the span of an 2 hours.

 

Graendal, calling youself a townie doesnt mean you are one. Ive seen, and been, the scum try and disregard such votes by saying "Im a town and I am selfless. I am willing to take one for the team." Before. Along with the fact that you suddenly arnt going to defend against that "silly" vote when you have been responding to most everything said against you up till now reeks.

 

Vote Graendal.

 

This post was just as bad as Mordeth's near identical post. The vote was silly. You just voted me to redirect off Moridin.

 

Or I voted you because I thought you are scum. Theres always that possibility. Not everything is an attempt to to discredit things or redirect things Mr.Paranoid. Sometimes a vote is just a vote.

 

 

Sleep.. You always get in the way.

 

Alright well now we have a real doc one way or the other so one of them scum. Heres hoping its Moridin.

 

Yet you didn't vote him... your vote held no purpose on me. You left yourself some leeway saying you hope Moridin is scum but this post is all kinds of scummy

 

I misread Reds post about how the voting would work. I did not notice that it would take 100% of us voting on his train to achieve a lynch. I still thought it was majority and I see no reason to pile onto a lynch that had already reached said majority.

 

Alright. Welp still good with my vote.

 

Way I see it is that we know one of them is the scum so now that we have one pegged between the two of them we can have our cop view one, telling us which is the real doctor at a later point in the game. While they are alive we can continue to get reactions and information from everyone else. This should also help the Doc figure out who to view. If he finds the real doc then he can view the people who were for believing that person over the other person and vice versa.

 

All in all should help catch scum and minimize the risk of losing our Doc on D1.

 

This made no sense you were guiding the cop to view Halima, even though the flip on Moridin already would answer the doc WIFOM. You were advocating that everyone unvote sure scum. Mesaana you failed miserably with this post.

 

But it wasnt a sure scum! We know he is scum now but at the time we had a Doc and a counter-claiming doc. Either one could have been scum. What I was proposing is that we let the cop view one of them so that we minimize the risk of lynching the real doc to almost nothing while guaranteeing that we would lynch scum. It would also let the cop have a good idea of who to view once he found which of them was lying so that he could find even more scum.

 

 

 

Blue

 

He was a sure scum not only was he counter claimed he botched his reveal. Let's face it why would the scum cc the real doc? I know it's possible, but if you had looked at Halima's play realised the fact that there was no reason whatsoever to have a scum read on her at the time, compared it to Moridin's play/botched reveal it was an obvious choice 14 people saw it not sure how you could say he wasn't sure scum.

[Asmodean-Mafia]

FWIW, I do find it interesting that both Mordeth and Mesaana both popped out of the woodwork to answer to Graen. In light of how many votes Graen has, I'm not sure why anyone would choose to be lead around by weakly-crafted cases, nor why anyone would feel the need to defend against them. It's pretty clear that this joker will do anything to get the spotlight off of him/herself.

 

I'm also highly, highly suspicious of the timing of Graen's "accidental" ident-slip (which was the basis for the entire case against SH, btw...).

 

Graen, I've had a bully vibe from you all game, like you're trying to swing your rep around and it's supposed to mean something. I find this terribly annoying. Since you've been sure to make it known, be honest with me and tell me if that is what you are trying to do. Unfortunately, you've made it a part of the game, so I'd like it out in the open for the town to judge.

[Guest Mesaana-Mafia]

 

He was a sure scum not only was he counter claimed he botched his reveal. Let's face it why would the scum cc the real doc? I know it's possible, but if you had looked at Halima's play realised the fact that there was no reason whatsoever to have a scum read on her at the time, compared it to Moridin's play/botched reveal it was an obvious choice 14 people saw it not sure how you could say he wasn't sure scum.

Deleted the massive posts so this doesnt get long.

 

He was counter claimed yes, but have you never seen scum CC the real doc or cop to try and get them lynched? I have. And it worked. We lynched the real cop. The way I was proposing was guaranteed scum and it was much safer for our doc. Im sorry if I put the life of our Doc above that of a scum.

[Graendal-Mafia]

FWIW, I do find it interesting that both Mordeth and Mesaana both popped out of the woodwork to answer to Graen. In light of how many votes Graen has, I'm not sure why anyone would choose to be lead around by weakly-crafted cases, nor why anyone would feel the need to defend against them. It's pretty clear that this joker will do anything to get the spotlight off of him/herself.

 

I'm also highly, highly suspicious of the timing of Graen's "accidental" ident-slip (which was the basis for the entire case against SH, btw...).

 

Graen, I've had a bully vibe from you all game, like you're trying to swing your rep around and it's supposed to mean something. I find this terribly annoying. Since you've been sure to make it known, be honest with me and tell me if that is what you are trying to do. Unfortunately, you've made it a part of the game, so I'd like it out in the open for the town to judge.

 

The basis was not his slip it was his instant defense mode that he does as scum. I said that day 1 there buddy way to continue tunneling even after I proved you a LLL