Callandor's "Weakness" - A New Theory?

[Barid Bel Medar]

Unfortunately you are mistaken. Cadsuane speculated that it magnified the Taint, the flaw she says is the lack of buffer against drawing too much saidin.

 

From the WoT Wiki :

yet it was made flawed: unlike others there is no "buffer" to prevent the user from drawing more of theOne Power than he can safely handle, and it is theorized to magnify effect of the Dark One's taint on saidin.

 

We have this from Cadsuane in PoD

[Cadsune, pg 588 The Bargain]

"It [Callandor] is flawed," she replied curtly, "lacking the buffer that makes other sa'angreal safe to use. And it apparently magnifies the taint, inducing wildness of the mind. So long as a man is using it, anyway. The only safe way to use the Sword That Is Not a Sword, the only way to use it without the risk of killing yourself, or trying to do the Light alone knows what insanity, is liked to two women and one of them guiding the flows."

[Barid Bel Medar]

So while the TP we know about is only accessable with the DO's permission, maybe the other, untainted version is accessable in another way. Could be possible. :)

 

We know what the TP is from RJ and Brandon.

 

INTERVIEW: Jun 27th, 1996

AOL Chat 1 (Verbatim)

 

SHOSH001

Mr. Jordan, you've outdone yourself with A Crown of Swords. My question concerns the True Power. How is it distinguishable from the One Power?

 

ROBERT JORDAN

It's fairly self-evident from the book. What can be done with the True Power is very similar to what can be done with the One Power. Except that where the One Power is drawn from the True Source and is the force that drives the Wheel of Time and powers the universe, the so-called True Power is drawn from the Dark One

[Edynol]

I agree with Narid on the buffer part. But I think now that the taint is gone, women specifically aren't needed. I mean, you need a woman to make the link, but after that, any channeler will work as a buffer or direct the flows.

[Edynol]

At the TP thing, yeah it comes from the DO, but that doesn't mean he doesn't draw it himself from the True Source.

[Barid Bel Medar]

At the TP thing, yeah it comes from the DO, but that doesn't mean he doesn't draw it himself from the True Source.

 

Sorry, I hate to do this, I do!

 

INTERVIEW: Jun 27th, 1996

AOL Chat 2 (Verbatim)

 

DAYTRIPR1

And also is the Dark One the only source of the True Power?

 

ROBERT JORDAN

Yes, the Dark One is the only source of the True Power.

[RealAshaman]

"yet it was made flawed: unlike others there is no "buffer" to prevent the user from drawing more of theOne Power than he can safely handle, and it is theorized to magnify effect of the Dark One's taint on saidin."( I concede this would be the known flaw. But it cant be the only one. When Lanfear saw Rand had the access keys to the CK, she said with those they could challenge the Creator or the Dark One. That is some serious juice. I cant believe Callandor would be the "go to" weapon, unless it could provide something better than the sheer power of the CK).

 

It's fairly self-evident from the book. What can be done with the True Power is very similar to what can be done with the One Power. Except that where the One Power is drawn from the True Source and is the force that drives the Wheel of Time and powers the universe, the so-called True Power is drawn from the Dark One. (I concede that the True Power can only been drawn from the Dark One. A direct quote. But the One Power is derived from the True Source. Why is it called the One Power, when it has two halves? I think the error in my theory was to call the New Power the True Power. I should have called it the True Source. Wouldnt a merging of Saidar and Saidin be the True Source?)

[RealAshaman]

Edynol,

 

So while the TP we know about is only accessable with the DO's permission, maybe the other, untainted version is accessable in another way. Could be possible. :)

 

I like this. Saidar+Saidin=True Source. The True Power is the tainted version of the True Source. Keeps parity to the balance that RJ has put all over Randland.

[Barid Bel Medar]

1. Sorry, I did not mean to imply that there was no second flaw, it is indeed possible, I was just point out that the "flaw" is something we know. Although, like you, many people theorize that there is more than one flaw.

 

2. That quote I was using in reply to Edynol who was theorizing that the TP may somehow be devised from the OP. Your theory I have no issue with, indeed, the True Source IS the name for saidin and saidar together.

[Barid Bel Medar]

Sorry, just another thing in regards to Balance etc...

 

The True Power is a manifestation of the DO, it actually is the essence of the DO, not something tainted by the DO to use as he likes.

 

INTERVIEW: Mar, 2000

Letter to Paul Ward (Verbatim)

 

ROBERT JORDAN

The taint and the True Power are both manifestations of the Dark One—they are the same substance, but those who access it are not destroyed in the same way

 

 

RJ has also said that the True Source is NOT the "Light Power".

 

INTERVIEW: Jun 21st, 1996

ACOS Signing Report - Brian Ritchie

 

ROBERT JORDAN

The universe is driven by saidin and saidar working against each other. They will not end up as the Light Power

.

 

If we can conclude that the TP is the "dark power" then its opposite is not the True Source. The opposite would be the power of Creation, which we have yet to see.

 

I don't do this to be an ass, just pointing out the things that have been proven or dis-proven.

 

If you are wondering where on earth I am pulling these quotes from, you can access the full database here: http://www.theoryland.com/wheel-of-time-interview-search.php

[RealAshaman]

Sorry Barid. Thought the quotes were for me. You got the RJ interviews up really quick. Do you by any chance have the reference to the Onyx hand that Min saw. I dont quite remember it, but maybe the onyx hand was for Rand. He is missing a hand now. Im thinking maybe the onyx hand allows Rand to tap into the unknown flaw in Callandor. Could you provide or direct me in the right direction for that viewing...Thanks

[RealAshaman]

Never mind....Dang. Thought that was a good theory. Great job Barid!. At least now I can go back to the real purpose for Callandor. What the heck makes that thing so important?!

[RealAshaman]

The interiew is from 96.....I wonder if RJ amended that later on. Ill check through the Link you sent. If you already know the answer, could you please let me know....Thanks Barid.

[Barid Bel Medar]

The interiew is from 96.....I wonder if RJ amended that later on. Ill check through the Link you sent. If you already know the answer, could you please let me know....Thanks Barid.

 

Sorry I do not know, it is possible, he has done it before.

[Barid Bel Medar]

Sorry Barid. Thought the quotes were for me. You got the RJ interviews up really quick. Do you by any chance have the reference to the Onyx hand that Min saw. I dont quite remember it, but maybe the onyx hand was for Rand. He is missing a hand now. Im thinking maybe the onyx hand allows Rand to tap into the unknown flaw in Callandor. Could you provide or direct me in the right direction for that viewing...Thanks

 

Hmm, Onyx hand.

 

Here is two viewings, I added the other one because it is similar.

 

"I see you, a brilliant white sword held in your hand, wielded against one of black, held by a faceless darkness."

- Towers of Midnight, Return to Bandar Eban

 

Rand reached out, touching the weapon. She glanced at him, and a viewing sprang to life above him. A glowing sword, Callandor, being gripped in a black hand. She gasped.

"What did you see?" Rand asked softly.

"Callandor, held in a fist. The hand looks to be made of onyx."…

 

"My research…remember, Callandor seems to have a deeper flaw than we've discovered. This viewing only reinforces what I said before. I worry it may be used against you."

"I suspect that it will," Rand said. "Everything else in this world has been used against me.

 

Towers of Midnight, A Testing

 

I got this from here, a list of all Min's viewings: http://13depository.blogspot.com.au/2002/03/mins-viewings.html

[RealAshaman]

RJ Interviw:

"Access to the True Power is a matter of wanting it and the Dark One letting you. NOT black cords. In the Prologue to The Eye of the World we saw True Power used to heal insanity. The One Power cannot be used to heal insanity. True Power used at Shayol Ghul will fry you instantly."( In ToM, Nynaeve cures madness with the One Power....right? )

[RealAshaman]

Thank Barid....your a fountain of information and good links. Lol. I kept thinking that onyx hand was a new hand made for him(possibly by Perrin). Thought it would act as an access key for the real reason that Callandor must be used. If the True Source is not

[Barid Bel Medar]

RJ Interviw:

"Access to the True Power is a matter of wanting it and the Dark One letting you. NOT black cords. In the Prologue to The Eye of the World we saw True Power used to heal insanity. The One Power cannot be used to heal insanity. True Power used at Shayol Ghul will fry you instantly."( In ToM, Nynaeve cures madness with the One Power....right? )

 

Yeah, I think that RJ is saying that "currently, the OP cannot heal insanity" much like it was common knowledge that stilling could not be healed.

 

Another way to interpret it is that Nynaeve didn't actually heal insanity, she removed the cause of the insanity. I think that the OP cannot be used to heal someone who is insane "naturally", like people we deem insane in our world, but it can remove "induced" insanity, like the Taint etc...

 

Of course, this could also be RJ changing his mind, but I think one of the two above is likely, still he has contradicted himself, and made mistakes before.

[Barid Bel Medar]

And welcome to the forums. That interview database that I linked you will be useful. You will find a tonne of information that confirms things in the books and also explains things that have not been explained in the books. You will see that these quotes will be used a LOT in debates, it is worthwhile to look through them (or, if you do not have the time or can't be bothered, it is a LOOOONG list), when you want to post about a theory, I would do a quick check of the topics involved to see if there is any relevant information, hope you enjoy!

[RealAshaman]

It's fairly self-evident from the book. What can be done with the True Power is very similar to what can be done with the One Power. Except that where the One Power is drawn from the True Source and is the force that drives the Wheel of Time and powers the universe, the so-called True Power is drawn from the Dark One

 

 

The universe is driven by saidin and saidar working against each other. They will not end up as the Light Power

 

From these two statements by RJ, I get....

1. Saidar and Saidin wont be combined to be used as the Light Power.

2. The True Source is the force the driving force of the Universe

3. True Power is derived from the Dark One.

 

Perhaps in my zeal to want this theory to be right, but I think RJ might have pulled a little Aes Sedai lingo here. They will not end up as the Light Power(Saidar and Saidin will not end up as the Light Power. I see no reason why the True Source cant be the Light Power. While Saidar and Saidin are drawn from the True Source, they are still independent of it. Perhaps Callandor allows access to the True Source.

 

Sorry if Im reaching Barid. Will continue to scroll through the interview, to see if there were any updates on the topic.

[RealAshaman]

Thanks for the Welcome! Now that I got the Links, ill def make sure to look through it before coming up with any new theories..Lol.

[Barid Bel Medar]

We all do reaching hahhaa, I have made more tenuous theories!

 

What you say is true, he is known to pull sneaky Aes Sedai answers, the theory is still alive!

 

I still disagree, but there is no way to dis-prove it, it is valid still.

 

Explaining how this is supposed to work and how it fits in with the story is much harder

 

And just 'cause your new, don't hesitate to disagree with people if you think you are correct! I am hardly an expert on the subject and you can ask lots of people, they will tell you i am frequently wrong. There are a few though, that you probably do not want to mess with, as they are usually right, I will let you find out that yourself hahaha.

 

 

PS: Sorry FotP, I will stop derailing the thread now

[Edynol]

http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=475 Section 13. There are ways to access the TP) without the DO's permission, so maybe Callandor can help him do that.

 

Aslo: http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=482

 

 

Matt Hatch

 

 

Are there any other sources of Powers either within the Pattern or outside of the Wheel? Are there any sources like�

Brandon Sanderson

 

 

...sources much like the One Power and True Power?

Matt Hatch

 

Right.

Brandon Sanderson

 

I will have to RAFO that.

 

 

So it is possible there might be another power source altogether equal to the TP. Maybe the Ultimate Power?

[Barid Bel Medar]

Yeah, although perhaps not ultimate power, since i think it would be equal to the TP. But there is evidence of a "Creator's Power", the strange "Light" Nynaeve sees supposedly protecting Rand from the Taint.

[Edynol]

Yeah, although perhaps not ultimate power, since i think it would be equal to the TP. But there is evidence of a "Creator's Power", the strange "Light" Nynaeve sees supposedly protecting Rand from the Taint.

And didn't all those Shienarans see it too in the 1st book?

[Barid Bel Medar]

Yeah, although perhaps not ultimate power, since i think it would be equal to the TP. But there is evidence of a "Creator's Power", the strange "Light" Nynaeve sees supposedly protecting Rand from the Taint.

And didn't all those Shienarans see it too in the 1st book?

 

That was a pretty random chapter, they definitely saw SOMETHING, but I think it was Rand blasting Trolloc and stuff, not sure if it was actual "Light", I haven't read EotW in ages.