[Basic Mafia] Firefly: Alliance Intervention- Night 2

[aemonkristen]

Deadly friend is coming back to replace Mathwin.

[danneric]

Well now I better keep what I say to a bare minimum unless I want to get killed again. Geez

[aemonkristen]

*laughs hysterically*

 

That is all

 

[Reyn]

Ah Aemon, this could get confusing but yay for replacements!

 

Well, we've got two dead townies and no scum hits yet. Csarmi, did you get any information back?

[Reyn]

If you didn't get a scum reveal then perhaps it would be wise to not reveal the name you investigated.

[danneric]

wait until you have substantial evidence before declaring stuff, Could help you in the future, Csarmi

[csarmi]

Thanks. :)

 

Now, I think that sharing my finding wouldn't help us. I did not hit a scum. I've never played a Cop before, and it's been a long time since I've last played at all, but thinking about it, I have to agree with Reyn. If I do declare an innocent, I just make him/her a target as the Maffia wouldn't want to see a confirmed townie alive.

 

What I can't picture in my mind either is how this thing should go down. For now, I'm still safe, so I just keep on investigating till I find something really useful, right?

Ultimately, we need to make sure that me and the doctor lives and I either find enough innocents so that we can form a block, or enough Maffia.

 

Finding Maffia would be great anyway as that would also help my reputation :)

 

Now what bugs me is this: we are down to 7-3. Lynching randomly would risk losing a useful townie (we have three right now including the mysterious Unkown Vanilla). So we'd better find a scum for next day it might be 5-3 (which doesn't look very well even with a doctor/cop/2 confirmed townies alive).

 

Am I reading the game mechanics right?

[danneric]

Beats me im still learning the same as you. But your right you dont want to put a townine in danger without the price of showing more scum than the innocents that you have a suspicion on.

[Niniel]

Oh, no! Two dead townies.

 

 

Tanaus, I have some questions for you:

 

You left your vote on an uncontested cop and then became quite defensive when this was pointed out. Why didn´t you unvote? As I understand it you never lynch an uncontested finder. Why did you become so defensiv?

[Reyn]

What I'm confused on is why you feel Csarmi is confirmed in his role. Even though he is uncontested he has not offered proof. And a wise Cop would not reveal himself unless necessary, not even for a scum false reveal. His actions still stand as being suspicious to me. I wonder if he was not just trying to dig out the real cop or protect himself from lynches. Did anyone notice that the mafia went after a completely different target, rather than a very important claimed role?

 

What think you?

[csarmi]

Again, I revealed only because I felt I was in too much of a danger (danger, which was mostly the result of my stupidity) by then. Three votes, no one even close at T-3 hours looked very much like a lynch on me (and remember, I had to logout as it was 22h in the night here already and I couldn't afford to stay up longer - else i would have waited till L-2).

 

As for the Maffia going against another target, that's natural - they'd have been stupid to target me: the doctor would protect me (who else?) and they'd fail their kill. What would be the point of that?

 

I wouldn't say I'm confirmed in my role either. That would take some proving yet.

[Niniel]

Reyn - I agree with you. We don´t know more about Csarmi today than we did yesterday. (Where in my text did you see me confirm Csarmis roll as a cop?)

 

My guess is that maffia killed Deadlyfreind because he was very silent. He didn´t vote and noone voted him. Killing him doesn´t give us any information at all and I think that is why they choose him.

[Phelix]

The problem I have is the uncontested part of your statement, Tina. There was plenty of contesting going on, three of us voted for CS and multiple other people said his behavior was scummy.

 

Today's postings aren't really changing my impression either.

 

For now, I'm still safe, so I just keep on investigating till I find something really useful, right?

 

Emphasis mine. Why does CS assume he's still safe? Nothing has changed from yesterday. He's still claiming to have an important role but not offering any proof to back it up. Frankly, of the people talking, he still looks the most scummy to me.

 

I also find it interesting that CS's first vote, MCS, was pure vanilla. CS said providing a third vote against him made MCS look scummy, but when the Mod Kill came, MCS was vanilla to boot. I know it's not proof of anything, but it interests me. That was before he switched to calling me scummy for voting for him.

[csarmi]

still safe = can't be NightKilled

 

Unless the Doctor stops protecting me, which is almost on the same level as a DayKill (Lynch).

As long as no one else claims Cop, I'm uncontested, if I read that word correctly. Of course even if I was lying, it would be a very bad idea for the real Cop to contest me w/o information, but that's besides the point.

 

I AM suspicious. I understand that. You wouldn't (and shouldn't) just trust me yet. Especially as I've given no information whatsoever.

 

Phelix, your actions and MCS's actions WERE suspicious. That MCS was innocent doesn't change that fact. Even your innocence wouldn't change that. I don't understand why voting on someone who put the 2nd or 3rd vote on a player is such a bad call. Before last night, I had exactly the same information as anyone else. As you can see, I couldn't find a scum at night either, not surprising I misfired the day.

 

As for Deadlyfriend, I hate to see him die. I was pretty sure he was town. I'm not very surprised he went down, though myself I'd have bet on someone else dying (maybe THAT someone is scum tho and thats why he/she survived).

[Phelix]

I just don't see why the Doctor should be protecting you, CS. You admit you're suspicious and not to be trusted, and yet you expect that the Doctor will save you because you claim to be the Cop. It doesn't make sense to me.

 

I also don't see why my actions were suspicious. It was Day one, we either had to vote randomly like many people did, or think through what people were saying and vote based on that. I thought through what people were posting, or not posting, and came to my belief that you and Tanaus were the most suspicious, to me. Tanaus provided a decent reason for what made him suspicious to me, but you didn't. I asked for other people's thoughts, and then cast my vote based on my own thoughts, other people's positions, and whether we were going to come to a consolidated vote.

 

Should I have just left my original, random vote for Arlow?

 

All in all, your progression from "I'm not going to say..." to "I'm the Cop, protect me or you're all in danger!" really reads as Scum to me. *shrug*

 

Unless someone else leaps out and acts even scummier, I'll probably be voting for you again.

[Phelix]

Also, we're down to 48 hours until nightfall.

[csarmi]

Well, putting the 2nd/3rd vote on someone, putting him on a train IS suspicious anytime. Actually, most of the time, even breathing is suspicious in this game. It's supposed to be like that.

 

As for the Doctor, well, what other choice does he have? Imagine you're a doctor. Would you risk NOT protecting an uncontested (meaning = the only one who claimed) COP in the night just because he's suspicious for you?

 

If you do, well, my hat's off to you.

Good that you have such an eye and such a confidence that you believe you can be sure of your judgement. I'd really like to be that way.

 

If you're so good, maybe you could help my job instead and try to point out who the scum are? (yea, I know, according to you, one of them is me. who are the rest then? who would you have me (or your supposed cop) view tonight?)

[Phelix]

I'm sorry, but the name of the game is voting to kill off members. I don't see a logical, thought out vote as suspicious. If someone were to think through my posts and decide to vote for me, I'd point out the flaws in their reasoning, but if they still believed their own reasoning and voted for me, I wouldn't take that as a suspicious act. For people who just hop on the bandwagon, them I would suspect.

 

Now, were I the doctor and someone I thought was acting extremely suspiciously claimed to be the Cop, no I wouldn't save them. I would save their detractors. The Cop shouldn't announce themselves, if they did it would only add to my suspicion. The people questioning the alleged cop, though, they are opening themselves up as targets.

 

I have my eye on a couple of people, other than you that is, but I'm not going to list them out here. That would be painting a target on my back and standing up to take a bow. Though, considering you seem to think I am scummy, I would suggest viewing me... like I did before. Then the cop will know that I'm not Scum. I'm not sure what information they would get from that... other than confirmation that I'm not scum... but it could be useful.

[Tanaus]

To go ahead and answer Tina's question again, i don't think hes being honest, therefore, no un-vote. And i would also like to point out that you are the only one who has jumped on his wagon of "i'm the cop". Perhaps there is belief that he could not make ppl believe him so there needed to be some one to support him?

 

I also don't feel like i'm being defensive, only explaining why i'm doing what i'm doing.

 

So perhaps you can answer the question of, why are you'll only posts in defense of CS with no proof?

[Tanaus]

Also, i didn't get to make tacos the other night, so i'm making them tonight :)

[danneric]

Well it seems that phelix and cs are on a go. Right now though theres still a lot of suspican between the two. Therefoe we still need a lot more evidence to suggest that cs is really the cop and not scum. But a lot of what cs says contradicts himself and puts him on the defence.

 

If you're so good, maybe you could help my job instead and try to point out who the scum are? (yea, I know, according to you, one of them is me. who are the rest then? who would you have me (or your supposed cop) view tonight?)

 

See exactly my point. cs is on the defence. He is either trying to make it look as if phelix is scum and drag him down or phelix has hit a nerve and cs cant take it. Only my observation of course.

 

 

oh and tina tacos are awesome, tonight we are having spaghetti.

[Tanaus]

Tanaus, not tina, is has-ing tacos :P

[Phelix]

I think Phelix is going to make pizza for dinner tonight.

 

But I agree, Deadly, CS's defensiveness is part of why I find him so suspicious.

[Reyn]

I do agree, CS has remained suspicious through every post he has made. The question is whether we dare to lose a possible Cop by a lynch?

 

Unless anyone has any better suggestions for who is scummy, CS is the only one raising major flags, and has yet to provide anything solid towards his case. He has acted and brought forth information with what could rightly be alterior motives, and has possibly taken our doctor away from protecting themselves or others they consider townies, which I would think would be the wisest decision for them to make in this case when there is so much fuss over CS's actual role. However, it seems to me that Tina has been contributing a lot towards CS's case, excluding I think one, maybe two posts against him. Not only were they together in trying to get us to vote for inactives way early in the game, but it seems like they are working together to get everyone else to believe CS's role claim.

 

Because I am unsure and unwilling to risk a possible cop, I feel like my best vote is on Tina - and I feel like we can get the most information back from a lynch on her. If she is scum, then I feel like CS is that much more likely to be as well.

[Phelix]

That's pretty solid reasoning, Reyn. I was thinking similar thoughts myself. I'd be comfortable voting for either CS or Tina, but I'll hold off on voting until later. We have until midday on Wednesday (Pacific Time). We've got about 40 hours left at the time of this post.

 

I don't think we want to see another Mod Kill, so let's discuss and figure out what we really think as a group. Reyn's made some very good points, and I'm sure you're aware of where I stand. Tanaus seems to be in a similar spot as Reyn and I. Tina, Csarmi, Keyholder, MCS, Arlow, Mottlee, and Deadly... your votes matter. What do you guys think?