[Basic Mafia] Firefly: Alliance Intervention- Night 2

[Phelix]

If someone logged in, but didn't vote for the extension, that could imply they are scum. Did you notice anyone in particular?

[csarmi]

Now that's exactly what I dislike about it.

 

Okay, so there are two people who haven't voted for it.

 

Deadly was active, then logged out before Aemon came.

Tanaus, on the other hand, has been quite inactive in the last days. If you read back in the thread, you'll notice that he usually posted JUST in this time period. (22:30 CER to 03:30 CET).

 

This is his last post, check out the timing (and how long it has been):

 

this game makes my head hurt. i agree with you phelix that CS is scummy but without another cop stepping i am not gonna vote him, and deadlys actions have been questionable. phelix and reyn just doesn't send me the scummy vibe. and mottlee and arlow have been too quite for comfort. sorry i don't really have anything to add, just giving my opinion

 

Now he might be inactive, in which case he's useless to us and if he'S ON Team Town, we're quite screwed.

But it stands to reason to make the assumption that he DID login, he just didn't post.

[csarmi]

Tina's case on Tanaus is so good that I'll quote it in whole.

 

You all know that we have mentors that can give us a helping hand if needed. I´m supriced that your mentors haven´t told you that voteting for a claimed cop is a "no no". If you do it then you should expect to be questioned about it. Some of you try hard to make it look like I´m siding with Csarmi. If you read again what I say you will find that that isn´t true. Csarmi is in every way scummy and if he turns out to be a fake cop I would certainly be the first one voteing him but until we know more I won´t do that. So insted, why don´t we look a little bit deeper in Tanaus reasoning.

 

 

Even tho Reyn is scum for throwing me in front of the bus, i'm gonna vote Csarmi cause its even scummier to try and play the sympathy card.

 

This was Tanaus first vote on day one. Nothing stange about that. We all voted randomly until we thought that we had found something scummy.

 

 

So Tina, you think its scummy to vote for the cop. Personally i think he is lying, he is only claiming hes the cop in hopes that the doctor will fall for it and give him protection, and having at least one other scum vote on him to put the pressure of "oh no's! we gonna lose the cop!" he could also be trying to lure out the real cop. And also for some one who is a newb, you sure do like to drop info about the game... perhaps there are ppl helping you....

 

Tanaus knows that Csarmi claims to be cop. And he still doesn´t change his vote. He then try to make me look suspicious by saying that I maybe have someone helping me. This is really scummy since we all know that we have maffia play mentors in this game. Of course I have someone who can help me, so does everyone else. Don´t you have someone that can help you, Tanaus?

 

 

To go ahead and answer Tina's question again, i don't think hes being honest, therefore, no un-vote. And i would also like to point out that you are the only one who has jumped on his wagon of "i'm the cop". Perhaps there is belief that he could not make ppl believe him so there needed to be some one to support him?

 

I also don't feel like i'm being defensive, only explaining why i'm doing what i'm doing.

 

So perhaps you can answer the question of, why are you'll only posts in defense of CS with no proof?

 

Well I´m not the only one that argues about not lynching an uncontested claimed cop. Noone has voted him jet - has they? Both Reyn and Keyholder says that Csarmi is scummy but that they don´t whants to lynch him.

 

I also think that it is a good idea to have a controlled lynch. That lynch should be on someone who we thinks is maffia. Well, Tanaus I think you look realy scummy. If you want me to change my mind you have to give us all a good explenation of your behavior or you have to make me one of those yammi tacos your talking about. Waiting for that I vote Tanaus.

 

I also feel the need to add this:

 

Well, I didn´t get a good explenation and I wasn´t offered any tacos either so I´m not going to change my vote on Tanaus.

 

And since I´m at L-1 I think I should tell you that I am a vanilla townie. If I go down in the end of this day I want you all to go through Tanaus posts again. I also think Reyn has acted kind of strange. She has scummy motives for voting me and tend to back up Tanaus. Remember that my death won´t tell you anything about Csarmi either. Hopefully you know more after next nights viewing.

 

Now during this whole game, Tanaus didn't add anything to the conversation. All he did was defending himself (quite poorly), talk about tacos and this gem:

 

i just wanted to post my formal apology to my mentor, i was getting advice, i was just looking in the wrong place. i r dumb, and i r sorry

 

Now WTF.

This is NOT the place to post that. He might just be lying. But if he is truthful, he either doesn't care, or has somewhere else to talk (yea I mean to imply the scum QT which is usually setup in games like this).

 

Since then, quite NOTHING.

 

Here I've quoted 90% of his content.

 

When he kept his vote on me after I revealed, I suspected he might just be the real cop, or scum.

 

Now it is much more simple: we KNOW Phelix is the real Cop.

 

VOTE TANAUS

[csarmi]

Just to clarify, I checked and rechecked. 12:35 AM on My Draginmount clock means 00:35 CET (or 23:35 GMT or 17:35 EST).

Maybe the time in the quote for you does appear in your local time (which would be cool because those quotes also show what time does Tanaus usually post).

[Tanaus]

i haven't been posting cause i don't care anymore, i'm not enjoying the game, and i have nothing to post that is worth anything. however i am town and getting rid of me shots yourself in the foot.

[csarmi]

You should have asked for a replacement then.

 

If you're town, what you're doing is not fair to the other players at all.

Logging in then not voting to have the extension is even worse. You're doing the Maffia's job.

 

Whatever, man.

If you're town, I want you to get lynched for what you're doing even if that loses us the game.

If you're scum, I want you to get lynched for being Maffia.

[murf2011]

Tina did indeed make a good case against Tanaus. I did vote for him because of it, but it didn't pan out.With this latest revelation though, I am unsure. Scum at risk of being lynched would throw the "I am town" card out...But if he doesn't care anymore, then he might be telling the truth... This hurts my head :/

[danneric]

This sucks the one night my parents stay up all night is the night theres an extension WTH!!! at least the extension went through. It seems like everyone coulodnt decide on what to do. so i think the extension is for the best. I for one havent figured out who to vote for. I will do a reread and see if anything scummy stands out to me.

[csarmi]

I asked the mod and he said it was okay.

 

So, in short, Tanaus DID login about 16 hours before this (right in the middle of us voting for an extension).

 

He did login since and Dragonmount shows only the last activity, so you can't check it out for yourself. I can't show a screenshot either as THAT'd be against the rules.

 

There was nothing else he could have done then check on this thread because he has activity only in this thread.

 

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If Tanaus was innocent, the Maffia would already hammered him, I suppose. Why wouldn't they have. They could even do that without arising much suspicion.

 

By the way, that would mean that three of Arlow, Deadly, Mottlee and Reyn were scum. I don't think that's the case myself, but we cannot be sure. Still, even if it's so, we get a save roll in the night and got rid of a player like that.

[Tanaus]

i did infact log in, i will not deny that. but i was trying to catch up on readin peoples posts and didn't get to it until AFTER it was already pasted, no point in voting.

 

and the mafia have probably not night killed me because i've been suspicious from day one, why would they kill some one that the town will hang themselves? As i said b4 they seem to just be letting us kill each other off and sitting in the background.

 

and i have no vote at the time cause i have no clue, and i have nothing to add.

[csarmi]

I mean the Maffia could have DAYKILLED you by now today.

[csarmi]

yeah i vote for an extension so YES

 

just letting you know i have a killer toothache right now so if i seem grumpy it's cause i'm in pain. hopefull it will go away when the dentist fixes it tomorrow. i'll try to get online as much as possible but right now i am going to crash and try to get some sleep.

 

This is the fifth vote, granting you the extension.

It happened at 04:10 CET (4 hours and 10 minutes after midnight in Central European Time).

 

Your last activity on Dragonmount (last night, or maybe it was afternoon for you) was at 00:37 CET (37 minutes past midnight in Central European Time).

 

Now I don't know how this 'last activity' thing works here in Dragonmount, but I doubt you stayed online for like 3.5 hours without Dragonmount thinking you were on.

[csarmi]

Now let's see what we got.

 

I'll assume that we established these facts:

 

1) Phelix is the Cop (Csarmi claimed he was a townie so Csarmi can't be the Cop, but then: who else?)

2) Csarmi is the Doctor (else he made an impossible mistake of giving Phelix's alignment as townie)

3) Tynaal is a Vanilla Townie (Phelix said so)

 

The only way these three things not being true is having a THIRD (unrevealed) guy as the real cop which doesn't seem to fit the facts. Sure, Phelix could be a Maffia player and realised Csarmi wasn't one (because of Csarmi's claiming Phelix to be town), or they can be playing together.

 

We've got 5 other players:

 

Deadly

 

Arlow

 

Reyn

 

Tanaus

 

Mottlee

 

Three out of those players are Maffia members. But who?

What complicates things is that Arlow, Reyn AND Mottlee all voted for extension. Deadly was absent during all that time (I can confirm that, I did check his last activity after extension was established). Tanaus, however, logged in and tried to obstruct. Even if we allow that Deadly and Tanaus are both maffia, one of the scum players did vote for extension.

 

Why? Most likely because they thought it would happen anyway which is not an unreasonable assumption. For instance, Tynaal did arrive and been to vote surely pro-extension.

 

There is also the fact that they didn't finish Tanaus up. Now I haven't seen Reyn for a while, but the rest of those five players did login today and any of them casting a vote on Tanaus wouldn't have seemed suspicious at all.

 

That makes me believe that Tanaus IS a scum and two of the rest are innocent. I haven't got the faintest clue on who those two players might be.

[csarmi]

I kindly ask EVERYONE to make sure you don't logout without voting, or letting just know that you WILL be back to vote in time.

 

Random lynch is not a good option and there are three Maffia players. They might be trying to play to stop the controlled lynch, but they shouldn't be able to.

 

Dear Maffia players, I rely on you too.

 

I think it's just fair to assume that:

 

- if someone doesn't vote or at least gives a reasonable alternative to discuss (besides lynching Tanaus) IN TIME

 

said person may be considered scum (or just doing the maffia a favour)

 

Let's do this thing. Do it right. Consider, ponder, discuss, if need be, but make sure we don't fail. Remember, we need FIVE OUT OF FIVE townie votes in the worst case!

[csarmi]

Now the news is that I have to go to sleep in about 2 hours.

 

2.5 - 3 hours is the max. My GF is sleeping over and we are both quite tired. It's 20:23 here.

If she wasn't coming, I'd wake up in the middle of the night fo you guys and check whom to vote, but as things stand now, we haqve to decide in like 2 hours (on the lynch).

 

I don't think it's likely that we can pull a controlled lynch without mx vote so if someone has a very good idea on why to línch someone else than Tanaus, pls let me know by then.

 

Have a good evening all.

[mottlee]

ok so vote count i have so far is

 

Arlow (1)- Tynaal

Tanaus (2)- Phelix, Cs

 

 

the fact that the mafia hasn't come on and hammered tanaus i think does point to him being on the scum team and them not wanting to loose a member. so i'm going to vote tanaus now as i've got to go to the dentist today to get one of my teeth fixed and not sure when i will get back on depends on how i feel afterwards. i'm going to be around for another hour or so if we change who your going to lynch but after that i might not get online till after deadline.

[csarmi]

We need two more votes. Tynaal? Deadly? Arlow? What are your thoughts?

 

I'm here for 1/2-1 hour more then my vote is fixed.

[csarmi]

okay good night, good lynch all

[Reyn]

I hate to vote someone when I'm not convinced on his alignment... but I said before that I may be biased, and that if it seems we are leaning towards Tanaus then I am willing to add my voice to the vote count in favor of the logic of others. I'll leave it to the someone else to hammer in case a better case comes up (I am slowly devouring my re-read here). I'm just hoping it is just my bias towards him that makes me think he is not scum... though I will say that it stinks for him and us that he is so frustrated with the game as to be so inactive.

 

Anyways, here's my vote *unless there is a better argument for someone else*

 

Vote Tanaus

[murf2011]

I'm leery of hammering Tanaus, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to get back on. I supported Tina's case, and will do so again. I hope to god you're not town Tanaus. VOTE TANAUS

[Tanaus]

i am town..... well that sucks

[danneric]

all of these accusations toward tanaus have some crazy good logic to them. for one why hasnt the mafia come along and vote him out? he would have been a really easy target. two why hasnt he cast a vote? is it what he said and simply cant find an argument good enough for such vote? or is it hes scum and hes trapped in a voting match. and three why hasnt he posted any good arguments against us voting on him? he's not even trying to reason out of our logic. so i for one am convinced that he is scum so i Vote: Tanaus

[csarmi]

I've expected to wake up finding Tanaus dead alreaqdy. Which he IS with 6 votes on him. The only one who hasn't voted is our confirmed townie, Tynaal, which sux.

 

Now even if Tanaus is telling the truth, I'm happy he died.

 

1) Tanaus is townie

 

In that case, I'll try to make a save tonight. If I do suceed (low chance) and Phelix finds an innocent tonight, we will have won (with 4 confirmed townies the game is over). If I do succeed and Phelix finds a scum, we lynch that guy, and we have a very good chance to win.

 

2) Tanaus is scum.

 

In that case, Phelix is better off finding a scum, I suppose, but it still might make sense to go for the less suspicious guy if he does have a target that sure seems Maffia.

[Tynaal Consen]

Cs, its past the hammer vote, so there really is no point in me voting.

 

Let's just hope for the best concerning Tanaus.

[csarmi]

I mean that the whole Maffia voted him.

 

Actually, without the Maffia there would have been a random lynch if we stick to the rules (Deadly's vote was past the time limit).