[Basic Mafia] Firefly: Alliance Intervention- Night 2

[csarmi]

Cs, who is your mentor, if I may ask.

 

Tynaal, I'm not sure if it is alright to reveal that. May I ask around first and see if it's okay by her (and by the mod)? My mentor shouldn't get online for like 5 more hours, however.

 

Reyn, if you think it over, there is one thing that is crystal clear now. Phelix is surely the Cop.

 

Phelix, I know you have been operating under the wrong impression /with the wrong assumption (Cs = scum). Still, it is not THAT bad as the players participating in the discussion around my claim, your accusations, Tina's lynch, etc still did reveal a lot of information.

 

A fresh read with different assumptions might just give you something you overlooked, or I don't know.

[Tynaal Consen]

sure cs.

 

 

Right now those that have not yet voted are suspicious to me. Why? Well, cause the best move for scum would be to wait for us to vote and then they throw their votes behind a townie we've found suspicious. Their best move is to wait. Even a simple random lynch would serve them well. (or better than us at any rate)

[murf2011]

I'm not sure who to vote yet, going to do a reread in a bit and see who jumps out at me... And what is the amount of votes to lynch?

[csarmi]

Wow. Just wow.

 

I've been thinking this over on the tram, and I'm really surprised to find that actually, I can make quite a good argument on why I'm not a scum. Never expected this. Ever since I false-claimed, I was thinking I wouldn't really have a chance to get out of it doing my real claim.

 

Now, something struck me, however.

 

I'm getting to the point, but first some observations.

 

1) As a false claimer, no matter my alignment, I always have to be on the lookout for the real one.

2) The Maffia has access to the alignment of all the people.

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3) Okay, so let's assume I'm a scum, part of the team of three.

 

(ALL THE REST OF THE POST ASSUMES THAT I'M SCUM)

 

Now, as things stand today, there are 5 townies and 3 members. Daylight breaks through the dark, and I'm left with several good options.

a) I can just reveal a townie as scum (hopefully not the Cop), and try to get him lynched.

b) I can reveal one or two maffia members as townies and give no real townie name.

c) I can reveal a REAL townie, and a Maffia member as innocents.

(Now d) I can just reveal two innocents. I don't think it makes a lot of sense, but certainly an option.)

 

Okay, moving on. Let's suppose I take option c). I think it might make a lot of sense, but there's a catch.

 

Now I know all 5 townies. As I have been on the lookout (and so were my 'family' members), I have a reasonable grasp of the situation. I think it makes a LOT of sense to think Phelix is the real Cop. At the least, he should be high on our 'suspect' list. I should be able to find a player, just ONE player I can be reasonably certain of not being the real cop. The worst case, should have a really good guess.

 

Now tell me this.

 

Why would I be so stupid as to select the real cop as my 'townie' reveal? It's very stupid, because that gives him an easy way to fight me. Phelix can claim with a certainty of being believed, as there is no way out for me. I confirmed myself that Phelix was a townie, so he would have no reason to be lying (why would a townie false claim at this point?), thus, he's telling the truth.

 

So, as a scum false-claimant, why would I give my opponent (the real cop) the perfect weapon to take me down?

[csarmi]

5 to lynch (all townies, or some townies and some maffia)

2 townie votes on a townie is dangerous

 

and I will UNVOTE for now. I'll be online, waiting for Phelix, Tynaal and the other two (unknown) townies to find a good target, and the three scums to act scummy and get themselves lynched :)

[Tynaal Consen]

while I'm not gonna vote for you Cs, there is some flawed logic in your post.

 

Now for suspects. We have me, Phelix and Cs as townies. Sure, they might both be mafia and so implicate me (but this is unlikely since the real cop should have revealed by now then - its not like we have the possibility of him being post blocked)

 

That leaves us with Reyn, Tanaus, Mottlee, Deadly and Arlow.

 

Of those, the only one I'm not so suspicious of is Mottlee, partly gut feeling, but also that she makes substantial posts and not just a 'oh look, I posted something'.

 

Then we have Arlow, who has made few posts which have actually helped us. If he's town, then he's simply been a bad player, but if he's mafia he hasn't been brilliant, but he hasn't had the opportunity to make himself look scummy other than not posting. He seemed scummy to me though.

 

Then, Reyn. I'm torn with her, so I'll check out all her posts as soon as I have time.

 

Tanaus, same argumentation as with Arlow.

 

Deadly, I'm not sure about, while it seems sound to say that he changed his playing style cause he has a different role, he might also have simply changed cause he feared being lynched. (though that seems unreasonable as he wasn't killed due to our suspicions of him). No matter how you turn it, there was no reason whatsoever for him to change his playing style. if he was cop or doc he'd play as before, hoping not to attract the mafias attention to his importance. As Mafia though he neednt fear a nk, but just lynching. (gah! I'm not sure how much sense that made)

 

 

But so to me, the three scummiest -discounting phelix and cs- are Arlow, Reyn and Deadly. Tanaus I did not mention cause he doesn't seem awfully interested. I know I was bored in my first gane when I was just a vanilla and of no import.

 

Gah!!! How nerveracking.

[csarmi]

Tynaal, where is the flaw in my logic?

[danneric]

CS

i really cant see any flaw in that post. how long did it take you to get most of the logic for that. well covered too.

 

Tynnal

Actually i cant make any sense in that logic. for one its pretty easy to figure how i would change my style. for one if it was my being discreet and not giving opinoins in v_1 Deadly and that was the reson the mafia night killed me, why wouldnt i change my play style and start to give more opinons and be not so discreet it just makes more sense. which is why i say your logic is faulty.

[csarmi]

Some questions to Reyn.

 

Why would someone point out their newness to the game when almost everyone here is new?? And discussing that rather than trying to hunt out the bad guys seems a little off to me. Not enough to move in against him, but it's worth looking at.

 

Emphasis mine. The argument makes no sense and you know that.

 

Now I must say that I do have an eye on someone. Csarmi, you are not only getting defensive, but also ganging up on those who haven't posted way early in the game. Not only that but I find it extremely suspicious of you to claim you have a role that needs to be protected. If you are being truthful then you now have all mafia eyes on you for a night kill. If you are lying then you now have innocents seeking to protect scum which is a win for you.

 

Correct about me getting defensive and acting scummy. Consider the sentence in bold, however. Why would it be a bad thing to have maffia eyes on me?

 

So here's my suggestion. If there is another claiming Cop, please be silent. My idea is that CS should be able to prove himself over the night period. Investigate someone tonight, and let us know the results. It may not prove your reveal, but it MAY if you get a good scummy result because we can then lynch and see if you are telling the truth. I am willing to put off my vote on you for now in hopes that you might get a revealing answer.

 

Pointing out the obvious (that if I wasn't the Cop, the real one should stay silent). Telling the cop to reveal his info is not a good idea, however. So why?

 

What I'm confused on is why you feel Csarmi is confirmed in his role. Even though he is uncontested he has not offered proof. And a wise Cop would not reveal himself unless necessary, not even for a scum false reveal. His actions still stand as being suspicious to me. I wonder if he was not just trying to dig out the real cop or protect himself from lynches. Did anyone notice that the mafia went after a completely different target, rather than a very important claimed role?

 

Tina never said I was confirmed in my role. That's okay so far, but what's this about the Maffia going after a completely different target? Surely, it would be silly to target an uncontested cop with the healer alive. So what are you hinting at?

 

Unless anyone has any better suggestions for who is scummy, CS is the only one raising major flags, and has yet to provide anything solid towards his case. He has acted and brought forth information with what could rightly be alterior motives, and has possibly taken our doctor away from protecting themselves or others they consider townies, which I would think would be the wisest decision for them to make in this case when there is so much fuss over CS's actual role. However, it seems to me that Tina has been contributing a lot towards CS's case, excluding I think one, maybe two posts against him. Not only were they together in trying to get us to vote for inactives way early in the game, but it seems like they are working together to get everyone else to believe CS's role claim.

 

Because I am unsure and unwilling to risk a possible cop, I feel like my best vote is on Tina - and I feel like we can get the most information back from a lynch on her. If she is scum, then I feel like CS is that much more likely to be as well.

 

Starting the lynch on Tina. It is a logical thing to do, I agree, but what could I have provided towards my case when not getting a scum? Hinting at revealing my viewing?

 

So, what now about the end of your argument? Now that Tina is Vanilla, what does that make me?

 

All I have to add at this point is that time is ticking and I'm the only one who has voted. Either let's take action on CS or let's, for now, start talking about someone else we can lynch.... Cuz right now all CS is doing is distracting is from other possible scum.

 

Again, this 'distraction' argument. Since when is talking distracting? See what happened when I stayed semi-silent for two days?

 

Also, why did you vote Tina, instead of Tanaus? Tina did make a good case on him.

[mottlee]

ok i seriously don't know what to think anymore i've been over the thread again and again and i just don't know. i'm happy to vote which ever way we decide.

 

just some of my thoughts.

 

yes deadly's play style changed when he come back but if it had of been me i probably would have done it to cause obversly the way deadly played day one made him a target so the mafia killed him so its only logical that he would change the way he played so that the mafia didn't come after him again.

 

ok so for arlow his chage is posting still doesn't quiet sit right for me. he posted a fair amount then went quiet and then when called out on it started to post more. guilty sonsions maybe, i don't know

 

ryen i feel has helped the town quiet a bit. she has contributed to the conversation. i see your points CS but still over all i'm getting a feel.

 

tanaus i don't know with him. it doesn't feel like he has contributed that much, town not knowing what to say or mafia keeping a low profile. not to sure.

 

and me i don't know what i can say other then i'm town. i didn't post much to start with what with RL stuff but since then i have tryed to get involved with the conversations as much as i can and give my opinions on others.

 

thats all i have right now and probably all i'm gonna figure out unless someone comes along and does something really scummy.

[csarmi]

I'm happy to vote anyone who Phelix wants me to. I'm going to sleep now, however. Good night all.

[aemonkristen]

MOD CORRECTION: I DID GIVE THE SETUP TO CSARMI AND SHOULD HAVE GIVEN IT TO PHELIX AS WELL. THE SETUP IS 1 COP 1 DOC 3 SCUM AND THE REST ARE VANILLA TOWNIES.

 

DO NOT REVEAL MENTOR NAMES. I DO NOT WANT THAT TO BE THE BASIS OF A LYNCH.

 

PLEASE VOTE NOW FOR AN EXTENSION. JUST VOTE YES OR NO AND GLOW IT. IF YOU WANT AN EXTENSION, I WILL GRANT 24 HOURS. IF YOU HAVE NOT REACHED A MAJORITY FOR EXTENSION BY 8PM (GMT-6) I WILL END DAY AT THAT TIME.

[Phelix]

Yes for the extension.

[csarmi]

YES (for the extension)

[csarmi]

I would say, however, if I read it correctly, that we got only 4 hours to reach the majority and the maffia should NOT be interested in it.

 

Three or four players asking for the extension should be enough, in my opinion.

 

Now who do I lynch, btw.

 

Phelix, will you have a target picked for us? You are the cop. I'm happy to wake up in the middle of the night to vote, if needed.

 

Personally, I find Reyn and Tanaus the most suspicious. But I'll be dead by next morning in all likelyhood, so I shouldn't be the one making the decisions.

[Phelix]

Looking at what everyone has been posting, Arlow and Tanaus are the two people are most sure of as potential scum.

 

I'm UNVOTING Csarmi...

 

 

and voting Tanaus. I think the odds are good that he's Scum. Anyone going to debate against him?

[csarmi]

I'll be back in 3 hours to cast my vote. Have fun debating till then.

[murf2011]

I can't bold at school, hopefully the glow works... YES for the extension

[Reyn]

I hate to keep repeating myself, but I just hopped on for a quick second. Yes to extension (dammit I don't know the glow code) and I will make a quick remark that I have said before that I may be biased towards Tanaus and asked for others to case him. If you all generally feel he has been scummy, the I'll ad my vote. But being so close to him makes it hard for me to case him. I'll try to argue my case later, Csarmi.

[Reyn]

I meant the repeating myself saying "I'll post more later". I know its a sucky thing to keep doing. Will try to be more in-depth later.

[Phelix]

4/8 voted for the extension. Me, Csarmi, Arlow and Reyn. Anyone else?

[mottlee]

yeah i vote for an extension so YES

 

just letting you know i have a killer toothache right now so if i seem grumpy it's cause i'm in pain. hopefull it will go away when the dentist fixes it tomorrow. i'll try to get online as much as possible but right now i am going to crash and try to get some sleep.

[aemonkristen]

Extension granted. You have 24 hours from the time of this post.

[Tynaal Consen]

Okay I'm too late for the extension vote and have doc appointment now cause I might have meningitis. So, I'll come on and vote in a few hours.

 

Cs and deadly I'm sorry if I made no sense, tends to happen.

[csarmi]

I don't like this extension vote.

 

Now if someone did login the last 6 hours and did not vote for the extension, what does that make him/her?