True Power Question

[PatsNats28]

Moridin wants to end the world, right? Why doesn't he just continually use the True Power to make gateways and things until the Pattern rips apart? Whenever he does things with the TP, the description always goes something like "The world screamed around him, the pattern unraveling and groaning as he twisted to make the Gateway." I feel like eventually, he would mess up the world using it. Thoughts?

[Guest Coreside]

Barring any other deep analysis, likely he wouldn't do enough damage before being destroyed either by the TP or the damage he is able to cause. Now, I'm sure he'd be able to cause a good bit of mayhem nonetheless, but definitely not on the order of the entire pattern.

[Phelix]

I agree with Coreside that he wouldn't be able to do enough damage before the TP destroyed him, or he was swallowed up by some of the damage he created.

 

Alternatively, we know that excessive use of Balefire can cause the world to unravel too... I would think Ishy/Morridin would use that route before using the TP to destroy the world. Imagine if he simply balefired Caemlyn, Cairhien, Tear, and Illian using an angreal (or if he could find one a sa'angreal).

[Byzantine279]

Actually with the TP, as Rand describes it, you don't need an angreal or Sa'angreal. It is as powerful as the CK on its own. Which means that Moridin could indeed destroy the world whenever he wanted to if that was really his goal. And that begs the question: why hasn't he? Heck, why the the forced of shadow stop using balefire during the WoP when it was clearly doing what the DO wanted to begin with? Perhaps his motive is not what we all believe it to be.

[CTKShadow]

Actually with the TP, as Rand describes it, you don't need an angreal or Sa'angreal. It is as powerful as the CK on its own. Which means that Moridin could indeed destroy the world whenever he wanted to if that was really his goal. And that begs the question: why hasn't he? Heck, why the the forced of shadow stop using balefire during the WoP when it was clearly doing what the DO wanted to begin with? Perhaps his motive is not what we all believe it to be.

 

I'm certain that it has been revealed by BS that the TP is not actually as powerful as the CK, just that it is as addictive/hard to resist. Rand's comment about needing both to resist use of the other is due to the fact that they are equally dangerous and tempting, but not necessarily powerful. Also, I'm pretty sure that there are no angreal for use with the TP (for who would have made those, and how would the few possibly made have survived). The raw power disadvantage is likely offset by the even further heightened senses and completely undetectable weaves, but that's another matter.

[OptimusPrime]

Moridin wants to end the world, right? Why doesn't he just continually use the True Power to make gateways and things until the Pattern rips apart? Whenever he does things with the TP, the description always goes something like "The world screamed around him, the pattern unraveling and groaning as he twisted to make the Gateway." I feel like eventually, he would mess up the world using it. Thoughts?

 

I think if that was his plan of action it would be too gradual a process, the Wheel would have time to tweak events in order to have someone stop him.

[Glexn]

Verin says that she can't tell what the Dark One wants. If the Dark One doesn't want the world destroyed, Moridin isn't about to piss him off by going against him.

[ROB_88]

i think that in theory he could destroy the world if he wanted too. but it wouldn't be the right kind of destruction.

it would not be what the Dark One wants, what he needs to achieve victory.

 

for the Dark One to achieve victory he needs to do it the right way, by winning Tarmon Gai'don. by just destroying the world before that he would basically cause a never-ending stalemate

[OptimusPrime]

I think Rand is the key to the kind of victory the Dark One needs. To me TGS made it clear that Rands will affects the Pattern, what with the rotting occuring with his darkest moments, I think the Patterns stability is affected by his frame of mind. He lost his faith, and it began to get really bad. I think VoG was a snapshot of what the Dark One needs from Rand to escape. During that rockbottom phase of Rands arc his Ta'verenism was no longer corrective on the Pattern, which basically meant the Wheels best weapon was working against it. RJ said the Dragon has gone to the shadow before and that resulted in a draw, I tool this to mean that prevoious Dragons went over for greed and power much like the non-Nae'blis Forsaken do. Deep down they fight for power, revenge, whatever, not really for the Dark Ones escape, not to destroy the Pattern. Moridin however is the quintessential villain, wanting an end to all time because time is a war that will eventually be lost in the countless turnings. Moridins reasons for serving the Dark One are the Dark Ones reasons for fighting, and Rand was beginning to act very much like Moridin because of the link. I think Rands darkness was exactly what the Shadow needed, and if it continued it would have wrecked the Pattern. It still might, until Rand is free of Moridin, I see that as the big thing for Rand next. I think, in a nutshell, that Graendal instigated a plan to kill Alanna to snap the bond in Rands head, that Moiraine needs to return to take Alannas bond to Rand, and that when she does this she will influence Rands mood through the bond when he turns dark, which will happen in spurts still because even though he seems renewed in his will to fight, he is still connected to Moridin and will still have Ishamael-mode coming and going. Rand needs Moiraine in the back of his mind tweaking his mood, otherwise the darkness will return.

 

I reckon at the end Rand will channel the True Power at Shayol Ghul after breaking the Seals, this will make the Dark One try to possess him. During that struggle Alivia will link with Narishma and another woman, maybe Nynaeve, with Callandor, and Alivia in control. Narishma stabs Rand with Callandor, Alivia activates the weave of the circle to cut off the Dark One from the Pattern. Callandors hidden aspect is that it can deliver weaves, and was made for this moment, to touch the Dark One in place of a weave, preventing another Taint. The portion of the Dark One that was struggling with Rand dies with him, his sacrifice making it vulnerable to death by Callandors blade like himself, yet just as he is stabbed he moves a hairswidth with the link to Moridin and they switch bodies, Moridin dies in his place. Rands blood on the rocks signify Ishamaels death and the Dark Ones defeat, the Dark One is completely cut off from the Pattern and his connection to everything, as in any remaining Chosen, are removed.