Cuendillar (Book and Q&A Spoilers)

[Rocky_Outcrop]

Gateways?

[ed2funy]

We determined that cuendillar might break it/might not, but that it doesn't destroy the cuendillar.

[Luckers]

Though that depends on your definition of 'destroy'. Whilst its likely cuendillar would block a gateway, or be shot out of it by the presure of it closing, it is also possible that it would slice it.

 

In which case you would have two pieces of cuendillar. Which Brandon may or may not count as a method of 'destroying' it.

[ed2funy]

That is what I meant...

 

Two pieces are not destroyed....

I am tired.....

:P

[Teslan]

Throw it off the platform when skimming, it would be gone, but not destroyed.  

 

Do we know if this other method is known by someone in the books? I am assuming we are supposed to be able to work it out?

[ed2funy]

I don't think it has been revealed yet....

:(

[Luckers]

Do we know if this other method is known by someone in the books? I am assuming we are supposed to be able to work it out?

 

That was actually the point of my original post in creating this--that there is a method to destroy cuendillar (beyond the Dark One) explains the fact that the One Power 'strengthens' cuendillar. It is impossible to strengthen something unbreakable, so the fact that people knew this shows that at some stage people knew a way to destroy cuendillar. A way which channeling the One Power into it resisted.

 

That being said we don't know if anyone alive is aware of this. Possibly the Forsaken.

[thewalrus777]

Someone like Lanfear/Cyndane or Mesaana would probably know do to the fact they were both scholars and researchers. But that's if they knew how to destroy it, along with knowing how to make it in the first place.

[ed2funy]

I am pretty sure everyone in the AoL knew how to make it....

[Luckers]

Actually they didn't. Moghedian only knew hints because of her innate greed.

[ed2funy]

oh well...lol...

ok...many did...

[thewalrus777]

It would be just like learning anything in the Power today. Some have talents for certain things, and some had talents for others. I doubt someone good at healing would be able to do anything good at all with Fire and Earth. Something along those lines. I would imagine those 2 Chosen's jobs of studying the OP, would probably lend to them a good amount of knowledge regarding things made with the OP, especially cuendillar.

[ed2funy]

Also, think of the Warder Bond...it is so common, but some Reds don't care for it (or outright hate it), so not everyone knows it.

 

 

[Luckers]

There's a quote from either RJ or Brandon that speaks of the nature of knowledge of cuendillar which if I weren't so Christmas-drunk I could supply for you.

 

God damn spelling is difficult.

 

Ask me tomorrow.

[thewalrus777]

I would imagine Red's in general do know the warder bond, they just chose not to use it. We know they know it because they've bonded Asha'man. I believe all Aes Sedai know the weaves for the bond.

[ed2funy]

lmao.....

I kinda wish I could drink right now...

It would make so many things better.

 

 

EDIT NEW: They learn it, but they forget...Remember that red lady had to ask another AS...

[Luckers]

Yup. Pevara had to ask Yukiri to show her how.

 

And, point of fact, Aes Sedai don't learn that weave until after they are Aes Sedai--Reds are forbidden warders, so why would the Red be teaching the skill.

[ed2funy]

Yea...

How many times have you read the series? o.0

 

IDK.....they just do....

nvm...lol....

 

I thought some of them knew...:(

[Luckers]

Yea...

How many times have you read the series? o.0

 

IDK.....they just do....

nvm...lol....

 

I thought some of them knew...:(

 

Honestly, I've lost count. At least twenty times.

 

The fact that I can answer questions on minertia when I'm very drunk is disturbing, isn't it?

[thewalrus777]

But see that is just it, they are taught it upon being raised to Aes Sedai. They learn it irregardless of the color of ajah they choose. Now if they're Red than they just never use it and forget how to weave it eventually. That's my guess.

 

And yes you do disturb us Luckers. ;)

[ed2funy]

lol...that is what I was thinking....

I have only read it 3 times, and I think I am starting another reread because I am halfway through NS....

 

Once I start, I usually don't stop.....

And, I 'll do another before the next book....

meh...

 

 

EDIT NEW: I am too tired to update...next time wait until I reply!

 

 

[Luckers]

But see that is just it, they are taught it upon being raised to Aes Sedai. They learn it irregardless of the color of ajah they choose. Now if they're Red than they just never use it and forget how to weave it eventually. That's my guess.

 

 

Except New Spring shows that sisters within the Ajah are responsible for this training, and that that training is selective to Ajah (as in each Ajah has secret weaves.

 

The fact that Yukiri had to show Pevara how to bond someone--and that Pevara had to show Javindhra, Tarna, Jezrail, Desala and Melare--proves that the Red do not teach their sisters that weave.

 

And yes you do disturb us Luckers. ;)

 

That fills me with warm fuzzies.

[thewalrus777]

I stand corrected. TOUCHE SIR!

[Cuddles]

On the topic of the destruction of cuendillar, it's worthwhile to examine it from several different angles.

 

1. Naming.

  Jordan is clever with his names. Witness Elayne, Elmindreda, Aviendha, and Alanna, all of whom have names eerily similar to Ilyena. That was surely not accidental. Cuendillar means "Heartstone", which is probably more than just a poetic name.

 

2. The Seals.

  One may argue that the Dark One has been actively weakening the seals, but as I recall, no one's actually said that directly, either in the books, or outside. HOWEVER, we do have some additional information about the seals, revealed in TGS, first alluded to in LoC.

      Herid writes a note to Rand saying, "Belief and order give strength. Have to clear rubble before you can build. Will explain when see you next. Do not bring girl. Too pretty." (LoC,Ch50)

  Min confirms in TGS that he's talking about the Seals here. And here is where I pull several elements together.

 

Matters in the world have been becoming consistently more dire over the months. The ta'veren, those people who have the most influence over the pattern, and the Aes Sedai, who also bend the pattern in their way, all believe that the Dark One's prison is failing. As they equate this with the patch on the bore, that means the seals are failing. Then the forsaken show up, and reinforce it with their own VERY POTENT belief, as well as Ishamael, who may well be every bit as powerfully ta'veren as Rand. Belief and order give strength, but the world is in chaos, and anyone who knows enough to have an opinion no longer believes that the Heartstone Seals are holding. No wonder the rule for over a year has been, "Let the Lord of Chaos rein."

[Teslan]

Just a quote I noticed in another thread that made something click:

 

'Constructs of the power cannot pass through a gateway'

 

Edit - cannot survive passing through even. Not living, ergo probably not relevant.

 

 It is VERY thin, but possible?