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I was wondering how widespread this Talent was despite it being considered a pretty rare Talent or only being "rediscovered".

 

Obviously the Aiel have had the Talent as an ongoing thing, with Wise Ones being able to dreamwalk.  Currently I believe the only remaining dreamwalkers are Amys, Melaine and Baer after Seanna died.  If there are other dreamwalkers amongst the Aiel Wise Ones then I don't think they are mentioned.  The three named seem to be the "dream council" if you will, or the only recognized Dreamers.

 

In the Tower, it seems like Egwene is the only Dreamer, the last being Corianin Nedeal.  I don't think any of the Aiel are more than 500 years old so it's unlikely that there was any correspondence between Dreamers in the Tower and Aiel dreamwalkers, even back then.

 

Perrin is a Dreamer, though it's his connection to wolves (who exist in Tel'aran'rhiod) that manifests this Talent.  But if you compare the dreams Egwene has with the dreams Perrin has and that both can enter the World of Dreams voluntarily I would say he is a dreamwalker as well.

 

Amongst the Forsaken it almost looks like all of them were Dreamers since they often met in The World of Dreams for meetings.  I don't know how true that is for this reason...

 

...Rand seems to be in the World of Dreams a lot but I don't know if he has Dreamer's dreams.  I think he goes there in the flesh a lot, so he is not necessarily a Dreamer - he has just discovered that if you can Travel you can go to Tel'aran'rhiod in the flesh though it is not recommended.  I think that the Forsaken who are not Dreamers are not able to enter the World of Dreams voluntarily or without a ter'angreal.  So they met in the flesh like Rand.  Among the Forsaken it was said that Moghedien and Lanfear made their presence known in the World of Dreams, but it does not mention that they necessarily had the interpretive dreams that Egwene and Perrin and the dreamwalkers talk about, or if they did they did not utilize what they were seeing.  I know Rhavin was killed in the World of Dreams but he was there in the flesh, but Ishamael met Lanfear there in The Dragon Reborn and it seemed like none of the other male Forsaken apart from Rhavin really made use of it.  I imagine that they knew they could Travel there but were not necessarily Talented that way.

 

Other than that, the only other time Aes Sedai or the Black Ajah were in the World of Dreams is through use of the ter'angreal.

 

So is the Talent of Dreaming legitimate only if you can "dream"?  Or does the Talent vary in that all Dreamers can enter Tel'aran'rhiod but not necessarily "dream" prophetically?

 

Of the known people who have interpretive dreams, I would say the current Dreamers are Amys, Baer, Melaine, Egwene, Lanfear, Moghedien and Perrin.

 

And of course I'm curious as to when all the good guy Dreamers are going to catch on to each other.  Like when is Egwene going to realize that Perrin is a Dreamer and start comparing notes!!!!!  haha.

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The Aiel mention memories of encountering Randland dreamers before, but seemingly without training these men and women do not last very long.

 

Amongst the Forsaken it almost looks like all of them were Dreamers since they often met in The World of Dreams for meetings.  I don't know how true that is for this reason...

 

Not nessasarily. We know that Demandred, for instance, isn't a dreamer since he needed to enter the Dream in the flesh. Other than that we know that Ishamael, Lanfear, Moghedian and Aran'gar are all dreamers, though Aran'gar is very weak. We have no word on any of the others--though its likely that Semirhage isn't a dreamer because she misses several dream meetings early on because it was hard for her to get away, suggesting she was required to enter the dream in the flesh.

 

So is the Talent of Dreaming legitimate only if you can "dream"?  Or does the Talent vary in that all Dreamers can enter Tel'aran'rhiod but not necessarily "dream" prophetically?

 

Dreamwalking (entering TAR) and Dreaming (having prophetic dreams) are actually two seperate talents. And RJ's explanation of this suggests that Dreamspeaking (the process of touching other peoples dreams) might be a third distinct talent, a suggestion backed by the fact that only some of the dream ter'angreal allow access to the dreamscape.

 

 

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I may be mistaken but are Dreamers and Dreamwalkers different? Dreamers have dreams that mean things, like prophecies to a point. Dreamwalkers have control over their Dreams. I may be wrong on this though so feel free to shoot me down

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