arthur ya its me

[arthurvyrin]

id like to hear what other ppl think about the creater haveing a Ture power or somthing

[Seriodor]

The creator created the OP so I think it  is his TP

[arthurvyrin]

OK lolll i was take about how the forsakin can use the ture power ..........do u think theres ture power for the other side that good ppl can use? ;D

[DubbleChrisP]

Dude, could you PLEASE use some spellcheck or something? I don't want to sound like a dick, but it's annoying trying to decipher what you type.

 

As for the True Power, it's not something that is exclusive to the Dark One, I believe. It is something that can only be channeled by those who are followers of the Dark One because only he has allowed mankind to channel the True Power. The Creator has maintained a pretty distant relationship with mankind, and he sees no reason to allow his followers to have access to the True Power.

 

Also, it is mentioned multiple times that channeling the TP is extremely dangerous, and only Moridin is able to do so without any seeming consequences. The Forsaken seem to fear using it, despite their access to it.

[arthurvyrin]

cool thanks for your thoughts any more on it plz ;D

 

srry i cant spell :( lol

[Seriodor]

Dude, could you PLEASE use some spellcheck or something? I don't want to sound like a dick, but it's annoying trying to decipher what you type.

 

As for the True Power, it's not something that is exclusive to the Dark One, I believe. It is something that can only be channeled by those who are followers of the Dark One because only he has allowed mankind to channel the True Power. The Creator has maintained a pretty distant relationship with mankind, and he sees no reason to allow his followers to have access to the True Power.

 

Also, it is mentioned multiple times that channeling the TP is extremely dangerous, and only Moridin is able to do so without any seeming consequences. The Forsaken seem to fear using it, despite their access to it.

 

Actually i believe that the True Power IS the direct power of the DO. Because the DO has to have power to be able to do the things he does. Besides i remember Moridin describing the feeling of the TP, and it was similar to descriptions of how it feels around the bore.

[Digbe]

Personally, I think that TP is a synthetic version of the OP.  Thus, creating yet another paradox in Randland in that there is now the One Power and the Two(true) Power :o  The Do is probably the creator of TP which might explain the extreme lack of stability an organism encounters when channeling it.  Not that the capabilities of the TP is unstable, but rather the organism using it is.  I say organism because I believe that the DO is a living entity of a sort.

[DubbleChrisP]

Personally, I think that TP is a synthetic version of the OP.  Thus, creating yet another paradox in Randland in that there is now the One Power and the Two(true) Power :o  The Do is probably the creator of TP which might explain the extreme lack of stability an organism encounters when channeling it.  Not that the capabilities of the TP is unstable, but rather the organism using it is.  I say organism because I believe that the DO is a living entity of a sort.

 

That doesn't really make sense to me, because, in my mind, the DO has always embodied the exact opposite of the Creator. As such, the DO has no power whatsoever to create, and thus he could not have created the TP. You'll notice that he never creates anything throughout Randland's history. The Shadowspawn were created by Aginor, and all of the DO's followers are simply the creation's of the Creator who were seduced into following the DO.

[Seriodor]

Yes, but to do things like change the weather, bring the dead to life, make axes attack people, or playing cards, or reflections, he has to have a power source, and when the Forsaken channel the True Power there using his "Touch" as its called in the books.

[arthurvyrin]

i wonder if the DO is just an influence power that makes ppl go nuts so they think there hearing the DO but there not................................... srry just had to say that

 

 

[DubbleChrisP]

Yes, but to do things like change the weather, bring the dead to life, make axes attack people, or playing cards, or reflections, he has to have a power source, and when the Forsaken channel the True Power there using his "Touch" as its called in the books.

 

Yes, he has to have a power source, but using that power doesn't make it exclusively his. The electricity a toaster uses to make nice crispy toast isn't exclusively the toaster's. And the Forsaken consider it his touch because they can only channel the TP through the DO, for the reasons I stated previously.

[Seriodor]

But that leads to the question why would the Creator make Saidin, Saidar, and then a third power which is detrimental to the health of the user and anyone around him. He already had two perfectly good, functional means of power, why a third, inferior one?

[arthurvyrin]

the third dont have to be inferior and if the creater has 1 it wouldnt be a heath risk

[DubbleChrisP]

But that leads to the question why would the Creator make Saidin, Saidar, and then a third power which is detrimental to the health of the user and anyone around him. He already had two perfectly good, functional means of power, why a third, inferior one?

Not inferior. Optimized differently. He created the TS for mortals to use. The TP is his own power, to be used by the eternal entities (himself and the DO). The Forsaken are partially immortal, so they can use it, but not as well as the Creator and the DO. Somewhat like a piece of software being good on Windows but not so good on Mac. It could, also, very well be that he didn't create the TP. It, like him and the DO, is eternal. It is the power with which he creates, so how could he create it?

 

Oh, and saidin and saidar aren't different powers. They're the same power (the True Source/The One Power), split in half to be used by either gender.

[Seriodor]

It says in the books that the only reason that the Forsaken can use the TP is because the Dark One allows them to, not because they are immortal.

[Digbe]

As such, the DO has no power whatsoever to create, and thus he could not have created the TP.

 

If I were smarter, I would work circles around you but here I go anyways:

 

I have found nothing that indicates that the Creator creates EVERYTHING at every given moment and whatnot.  The Creator said POOF, and I'm taking an eternal break.  The DO says, "Let Me Out! I want to recreate the world how I see fit."

 

The DO creates evil bubbles.?. I would say fear.. but fear can be chalked up to a personal lack of testicular fortitude.

 

DO created the Taint in Saiden.  But you could argue it as a latent effect due to his resealing.  Okay, I'll give you that.

 

Wait. Wait. Wait.  To say the DO can create ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is to emmasculate the entire plotline and therefore the story is pointless and I have wasted years of my life.  

 

The DO can communicate.  Therefore, He can create words. I.E. Nae' Bliss, Shadar Haran (possibly, but it is not written that DO personally named SH, unless I am mistaken)

 

The DO can make a ham-stinkin sandwiche man.  

 

Although these examples are only small points of non-interesting tidbits, it should show that DO can make something.  And since he is currently sealed, there is no way of knowing whether or not he has limitations other than the ones that the DO personally recognizes in story or whether or not he would prefer to make tuna on rye ;D

[arthurvyrin]

the ceater could just use the one power but both saidar and saidin

[Seriodor]

The CreatorCreatedSaidin, and saidar, he doesnt need to use them, he uses some mystical force above them both. The DO created the TP. Its only called the True Power by the Forsaken, because they see there master as the True Master. Get it? When the TP is referd to by anyone else its "bubbles of the Dark one" "the dark one touching the world" "miasma".

[DubbleChrisP]

It says in the books that the only reason that the Forsaken can use the TP is because the Dark One allows them to, not because they are immortal.

 

Yes, yes, I realize this. I was merely speculating. The DO allows them to use it, granting them access, but the reason they CAN use it, instead of simply being allowed to, is the fact that they are closer to eternal than the rest of humanity. Again, speculation.

 

@Digbe: I realize that he can make a sandwich and things of that nature, but actually, he didn't create them. Nae'Blis and Shadar Haran are names created by mixing preexisting words out of the Old Tongue. Maybe. I'm actually not sure if Nae'Blis is an original term, or something from the Old Tongue. Anyway, when I said "no power to create" I mean, no power to create in the supernatural sense, as in actual creation, the formation of something from nothing, the kind of power mankind has never achieved, and as such has been labeled a physical impossibility. As for creating bubbles of evil, it's not necessarily creation. It is simply the power of his malevolence drifting through the pattern. It's a passive reaction, not something as direct as conscious creation, imo.

 

The CreatorCreatedSaidin, and saidar, he doesnt need to use them, he uses some mystical force above them both. The DO created the TP. Its only called the True Power by the Forsaken, because they see there master as the True Master. Get it? When the TP is referd to by anyone else its "bubbles of the Dark one" "the dark one touching the world" "miasma".

 

Where does it say that the DO created the TP? It simply says that the DO allows the Forsaken to channel the TP through him, but not that he actually created it.

[arthurvyrin]

"As for creating bubbles of evil, it's not necessarily creation. It is simply the power of his malevolence drifting through the pattern. It's a passive reaction, not something as direct as conscious creation, imo."

 

                  i dont think thats right becuose the things that come out of bublle have to come from some were and i know thay not there befor hand

 

[Ealdur Tinuviel]

Has it ever occured to one of you that the only reason the Creator is called "Creator" is because he created the world of which Randlanders are a part, nothing more, nothing less?

 

To say he has the power to create and the Dark One does not is to assume.

[arthurvyrin]

i agree with you