Game Over - Insane Mafia Game. Page 94

[Aginor-Mafia]

Thank you for coming to your senses both of ye, but, Ishy no say role?

Why so?

Mafia recruit?

Mafia Godfather?

Slip your mind on truth accident? :P

 

[Asmodean-Mafia]

Sorry about my absence. Life stuff happening.

 

Ishy has already role revealed. He was a vigilante, and targeted Mesaana the night Moggy blocked all night actions.

 

My role? I get to stop one lynch from occuring.

 

Here is the problem I am having with all of this.

 

1. Moridin claims he can't be nightkilled.

2. Aginor targeted Moridin to be healed.

3. Barm actually made TWO mistakes. A.) He forgot Moridin's role B.) He forgot Aginor's protection.

Either way, he should never have wrote out Moridin's death scene. How likely is it that he missed TWO roles in this situation? I can understand the we're all human thing...and missing Moridin's role(since he isn't going to get a pm about it)...but if Aginor actually protected Moridin at night, then I don't think that Barm would have missed an actual pm.

4. Someone is lying, or we are missing something here.

 

[Aginor-Mafia]

 

2. Aginor targeted Moridin to be healed.

 

 

I targeted Balth, silly :P

 

[Asmodean-Mafia]

Bah, sorry. I misread then.

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

I mistrust this notion of a mass roleclaim. It could work, but remember that the mafia could have power roles too. Likely they do. What if their roles seem more plausible than some of the innocent roles? I don't like it. But my role is already out there, so do as you will.

[Barmacral]

People, Moridin did not die. The scene was written that way for a reason, you should read the scenes as a story only. The results of the scenes are what affect your game, not the scenes themselves.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

A mass roleclaim is kinda pointless as we already know that some will lie.

 

Oh mighty Mod, your statement above implies that you never posted Mori as dead. Can you at least accede to the fact that it did say something to the contrary before it was edited, and we will all accept that what it says now it what we should go by?

 

I'm all ears for any opinions or theories. We have less than 22 hours to make a decision.

 

 

[Barmacral]

Quite clearly the post is edited, I don't generally edit posts for no reason at all. What it said before could be anything, what it says now is what is important.

 

Edited: For no reason at all.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

 

Good enough. I am pleased to announce that I have no *%#@! idea of what you have done here, but I am definitely dying to find out. 

[Asmodean-Mafia]

Well, I don't know. I know that my role isn't a lie, and it is quite easy to prove true--though I'm not about to waste it on anyone I don't know as 100% innocent.

 

As for the others--I don't know what to think anymore. I can't help but feel we are beating a dead dog here.

[GoodGrief]

Hey! It's Barm! Look everybody, it's Barm! *tacklehugs the druggy chihuahua* You are one twisted son of a waffle iron.

[Balthamel-Mafia]

But by piecing together who did what on which nights we can figure out alignments.

 

So.

 

Morry: NK Immune, innocent townie with special win conditions

Aginor: Healer which role-removes

Asmo: Lynch stopper

Balth: Cop/Doc

Moggy: Night Stopper

 

Arangar:?

Sammy:?

Ishy:?

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Balth: It's not that you backed Ishy up, it's that you three are all telling the same story about Moridin.

 

The results of the scenes are what affect your game, not the scenes themselves.

 

The result changed, thus I questioned. Said that.

 

As Balth said, I had a pretty powerful role, so I only got one. One stop role blocking during one night. Everyone blocked during that phase, no matter what. Used.

 

I am willing to vote anywhere except the trio of Balth, Moridin, and Ishy based on the pricipal of the difficulty of pulling off that lie.

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

Heh, it'd be kinda cool if we were. I really don't know where to vote right now. I'll be back in a few hours, probably.

[Arangar-Mafia]

Yes because it makes perfectly logical sense that all of the mafia are the layers-low and they have still managed to kill or help lynch 8 innocents.  I think you are smarter than that.  My inactiveness, I have repeatedly told you, is how I play... Like Moggy said... I pay attention and post when I have a point to make or something I feel should be shared.     Ishy... you claim you think you, Moridin, and Bal are the innocents... what do you have to suspect Moggy?  If she is evil she is good because she is so far off of my radar it's not funny.  You, however are flying high at the top.  Moggy... claiming he saw what Barmy posted before it was edited doesn't make him innocent.  It gives him a GREAT alibi in Moridin and Bal.  A great place for an evil to hide out and avoid suspicion....

 

If you really think revealing will do any good... here you go....

I'm the roleblocker that blocked Bal the first night...  Why didn't I reveal that then?  I knew that he had a role after he said he was blocked but I didn't know what that role was or what his alignment was.  Night two, which Moggy blocked all actions on I blocked Mesaana.  She was apparently a popular vote that night.  I didn't reveal when she revealed she was an odd night blocker because I thought at the time that maybe she was truthful about that but that she was an evil roleblocker.  Night 3 I randomly picked Asmodean.  If he has a role he either didn't reveal he got blocked or my role, which has handicaps, didn't work.  I'm not told if they work or not.  Night 4 I looked at who was left and picked who I though was suspicious to be evil and out of those I randomly chose Halima.

Also... my block will block the evils no matter which evil I pick.  I specifically asked Barm that.  

[Guest Moghedien-Mafia]

Moggy... claiming he saw what Barmy posted before it was edited doesn't make him innocent.  It gives him a GREAT alibi in Moridin and Bal.  A great place for an evil to hide out and avoid suspicion....

 

No it doesn't make him innocent. But it is a very hard thing to pull off a lie of the scope this is growing into.

 

Night 4 I looked at who was left and picked who I though was suspicious to be evil and out of those I randomly chose Halima.

 

Errr. That means that there were two reasons Barm messed up on the scene? Halima shouldn't have been able to act, right? Don't know about this...

[Balthamel-Mafia]

[glow=red,2,300]Asmodean[/glow] Prove who you are by stoping your own lynching.

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

Not. Helpful.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

We have multiple players making mistakes.

A correct chart of who has revealed roles will be more helpful than an incorrect one, but as I have mentioned before, we know that the evils will use this as a method to deceive us, so we can't exactly take it at face value and base aligments on it.

 

Aran'gar, I pointed out Moridin as innocent because Barm posted him as innocent. I also mentioned Balth and Aginor as two players who set alarms off all over the place, but don't seem to be working their way towards an evil win. Balth has played to many games to be making the suggestions that he does (which makes me wonder if he gets points for getting people to reveal) and Aginor has a playing style that matches other games he has played as an innocent. Again, not proof positive, but a hunch.

 

I have reapeatedly asked Moggy about her opinions throughout the game. She has been a steady poster and made many logical points about the game. I don't suspect Moggy. Why do you imply that I do?

 

Asmo does not trip amny of my alarms, so that leaves you and Sammy. I picked you based on what I said about Rahvin and Halima.

 

Now, about your claim. So far we have an innocent finder/healer. An innocent immune to night kills, an innocent healer/stealer, an innocent lynch stopper, an innocent nightly role blocker, an innocnet one-time night action blocker, and an innocent one-time vigilante. And Sammy.  Seems a bit weighted toward the innocent side, no? What powers could Sammy have to even give him a chance?

 

Moggy brings up a great point about Halima, but I have looked for proof that Halima did act and can't find it. Where is this? If it is true, then my vote stays on Aran'gar. If not, I am open to moving it. 

 

 

[Barmacral]

Well, I'm off to work, you have until 5pm EST (my time) to pull off a lynch. It is currently 8AM EST.

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

We have nine hours and I have no real suspects. Except the one who's been pinging my scumdar for most of the game: [glow=red,2,300]Balthamel[/glow]. So many inconsistancies, so much suspicious behaviour, and the coincidences. Sure he revealed my innocence - to save himself. In that position I'd do the same no matter what allegiance I held. Especially if the person I could prove myself to was one of my principle aggressors. Proof of guilt? No. But not proof of innocence either. The minute he's in the clear he starts coming over all pushy again. My gut has been telling me he's scum for a while now, but after Mesaana I told it to shut up. Now I'm thinking there was more evidence behind the prejudice than I admitted. I could be wrong, but we're out of time.

I'll come back in the morning to see how the debate has progressed.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

 

Aran'gar (1) - Ishy

Asmo (1) - Balth

Balth (1) - Mori

 

7 and a half hours to go.

[Ishamael-Mafia]

 

And I'll tell you something else, the next person I catch posting their alt on another board is going to, going to, well, I'll think of something. Some people just don't know how to behave, I swear.

[SBoydW]

Read this.

 

http://forums.dragonmount.com/index.php/topic,20976.msg550249.html#msg550249

[Arangar-Mafia]

We have multiple players making mistakes.

A correct chart of who has revealed roles will be more helpful than an incorrect one, but as I have mentioned before, we know that the evils will use this as a method to deceive us, so we can't exactly take it at face value and base aligments on it.

 

Aran'gar, I pointed out Moridin as innocent because Barm posted him as innocent. I also mentioned Balth and Aginor as two players who set alarms off all over the place, but don't seem to be working their way towards an evil win. Balth has played to many games to be making the suggestions that he does (which makes me wonder if he gets points for getting people to reveal) and Aginor has a playing style that matches other games he has played as an innocent. Again, not proof positive, but a hunch.

 

I have reapeatedly asked Moggy about her opinions throughout the game. She has been a steady poster and made many logical points about the game. I don't suspect Moggy. Why do you imply that I do?

 

Asmo does not trip amny of my alarms, so that leaves you and Sammy. I picked you based on what I said about Rahvin and Halima.

 

Now, about your claim. So far we have an innocent finder/healer. An innocent immune to night kills, an innocent healer/stealer, an innocent lynch stopper, an innocent nightly role blocker, an innocnet one-time night action blocker, and an innocent one-time vigilante. And Sammy.  Seems a bit weighted toward the innocent side, no? What powers could Sammy have to even give him a chance?

 

Moggy brings up a great point about Halima, but I have looked for proof that Halima did act and can't find it. Where is this? If it is true, then my vote stays on Aran'gar. If not, I am open to moving it. 

 

 

 

I didn't say you were lying about pointing out that it said Moridin was innocent before Barm changed it... I said that doesnt make you innocent.  It's a rather convenient mistake that gets you allied with Moridin because that proved HIS innocence and "why would an evil give up someone else's inncence"... to make them look good and saintly so eyes go off of them... couple that with your recent post madness with suddenly being loud and proud and in everyone's face on here and youve got a suspicious character in my eyes.

 

I asked if you suspected Moggy because you said you think you, Bal, and Moridin are innocents and basically saying the rest of the players are up in the air on that one.  It was merely asking you what you found suspicious about her because I had nothing.  If she is who I suspect that could just be because shes that darn good.

 

How COULD Asmso trip alarms?  He went inactive for awhile and I agree with Bal.... Asmo said his role can stop a lynch.... let's prove it and vote for him... if he is right we dont loose an innocent and if he is wrong he lied about the role and is likely evil.  That role meshes with why mine didn't block anything... he doesn't HAVE a night action.

 

"So far we have an innocent finder/healer. An innocent immune to night kills, an innocent healer/stealer, an innocent lynch stopper, an innocent nightly role blocker, an innocnet one-time night action blocker, and an innocent one-time vigilante."

  That is Bal, Bal, Aginor, Asmodean, Me, Moggy, and You... I assume...  because Bal is the finder healer but also says hes immune to night kills so thats 6.. with Moridin and Sammy bringing up the rest.  You say ours that would affect this last night kill are suspicious that means so are you becuase your proof you really were a vig is on a night that Moggy blocked everything.  That, my friend, makes you just as suspicious as you claim I am.

 

 

"Moggy brings up a great point about Halima, but I have looked for proof that Halima did act and can't find it. Where is this? If it is true, then my vote stays on Aran'gar. If not, I am open to moving it."

 

Barm simply told me when I asked him... that my role will block all the evils if I but choose ONE.  I could pick bob, who is evil.. but sue turns in the actions... that action would be blocked even if I didn't pick sue.  The huge cluserf...ummmm big mess that Barm, purposefully or not, created confuses me too.... but all I can do is assure you I did pick her, Asmo, Mesaana, and Bal.  Backwards in that order. 

 

I'm voting for [glow=red,2,300]Asmo[/glow] as well... not much suspicions there but if he is telling the truth about his role then he can save himself and we dont loose another innocent.  Go ahead and gun for me if you must, Ishy... but that makes you look more suspicious and you'll be next when my alignment is revealed.