Sailor Moon Mafia [Advanced] Game Thread

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

Bop, Cory, Cuth town

Eldrick, Fred scum

That's where I'm at atm.

 

Regarding my posts in that bug period. Most of them was me changing the format or just outright removing parts of them to see if that would fix things. The others were just made at a different time since I wanted to see if it was just a timing issue so of course the wording would alsi be slightly different.

I believe that cory genuinely believes his read which is why I'm still town reading him but his reasoning is bad. Those set of posts are plain and simply NAI.

Can you explain the bold? I really don't get how Cuth would be a strongish read for anyone (in EITHER direction), and both Fred and Eldrick have looked good to me.

Cuth as scum would have pushed me hard by now with what I've posted so far since he knows he can get away with it, that why I've got him as a solid town read.

Eldrick I feel is asking more questions than actually trying to solve.

Fred is pretty much purely gut since I don't know how he usually plays either. His posts just feels off to me but I can't quite put into words what it is that's bugging me.

I apparently missed it completely.

 

That reason is meh. Hope you find the words, cuz I disagree on your read.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

let's do an exercise for anyone around

 

what are your two strongest reads and why? can be villager reads or wolf reads

 

what is a read you have that you feel is against thread consensus?

 

who do you want to vote most today?

what are your two strongest reads and why?:

Town: Sooh- I think her tone (specifically that it can change), is very good. She seems confident in herself, but not from a place of having additional knowledge. I really respect her opinions and her conclusions and find them to be really valuable to me. She is the person (aside from the lovely Linz) I would be least likely to Lynch.

Wolf: Coward- Everyone is making excuses for their complete lack of content for some reason. I really understand coming in with humor and they did make me laugh, but they haven't showed any sign of wanting to seriously participate, just spectate. I don't like that at all. Unless we see some real content from this one, I would feel okay with voting them.

 

what is a read you have that you feel is against thread consensus?

I don't actually understand why Iron is getting so much heat. Maybe I need to go back and ISO him, but he took Cuth pressure vote really casually. He wanted to know why, but didn't flip out which looks good to me. Also with all the pressure everyone else is placing on him, I still feel like he's not really acting poorly to the pressure. I think the only things I don't like, and I may be getting influenced by Cory here, but he does seems to make some excuses for himself (Ie; absence and he just gets wolf read in general town or not)

 

who do you want to vote most today?

This is the hardest one for me to answer. I don't really have confidence in any of my reads right now (Call it a cop out,idc). I feel like there are such mixed vibes coming from every player and with D1 being so long I think everyone is kinda picking at eachother bones. I would feel safest voting Coward/Scruff due to lack of content. I don't like it still because even if they are lazy/lack luster villagers, they still could be villagers. But they have voices but choose not to use them so I'm just really conflicted.

Ok spades. I'm really starting to get annoyed by your "everyone is doing this, while I see it as that" when consistently in your examples I'm already doing that. Makes me feel like you're ignoring me.

 

This time irt your read on coward, who I am already sussing.

lol I don't even know what you're trying to say here.

 

Can you underline what is specifically annoying you?

You repeatedly use the word 'everyone', which implies that you're the only one that's seeing something.

 

It's usually something I have already pointed out.

 

You also mentioned that I'm shadowing you (recently read that in my catchup). I find this odd because I'm not. We happen to come to similar conclusions a lot, but it has nothing to do with you. If anything, you might be shadowing me. (But I wouldn't care)

[Eldrick4221]

And if you're about to underline my use of the word "everyone".....

Lolololol

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes you wanna lunch eldrick??!?!?!!

While I feel like he's kinda gliding along in this game, I don't feel anywhere close to confident he is a wolf.

 

Can you try to expand your thoughts on this? I know you mentioned a meta response that pinged you as wolfie, please elaborate.

 

I have felt like he's been shadowing me a little, and obviously followed Linz vote, but this still doesn't scream wolf to me. (I think I remember him doing this last match)

Eldrick as both alignments is a high poster

 

Eldrick as Town is all over the place back and forth here there and everywhere, contradictions backtracks and everything like total wtf. As Scum he is kinda like this but not as much, like he becomes too conscious of his appearance and overthinks it and reigns it in some.

 

As Town he asks a lot of questions and has a very very broad spectrum and is well aware of whats going on. He digs into it and has a very good/high thread presence.

 

As Town hes trying to figure things out, figure out alignments and isnt afraid to go against the status quo. He will call out whatever he feels is bothering him and vote whoever it is bothering him.

 

He also reads me well and I dont see any world where Town!Eld isnt interested in trying to ACTUALLY FOR HIMSELF try to figure me out if he's having doubts on me. And him calling me a Wolf and not voting me till Linz builds a case and votes me as an awful look for him.

Thank you for responding and I see where you're coming from.

 

To me this still feels too light to want to lynch him. I don't trust him, but I also don't think Eldrick would copy a vote as a wolf as that is really suspicious. I saw him do this about three times last game and it felt so scummy to me then, but he was a villager that game.

 

I want to wait and see his response to all this when he gets on before I make any big decisions.

Eldrick was on Iron eyes with #407, Unvoted #764, voted scruff #828, Voted Coward #1350 all before voting Zander.

 

 

I want him to come back in before DL and talk.

 

I could have had some bias and jumped the gun.

 

Ill see what he has to say before DL and maybe move.

He did say he'd be asleep before DL.

 

Unless he's having a bad sleep I don't see him coming back before DL and I certainly won't expect it.

I did wake up at 530, and considered poking my head in. But all I wanted to do was get back to sleep.

[Eldrick4221]

 

i think voting eldrick today is a huge mistake for a variety of reasons,

I agree, but tbf so is voting Zander and he didn't spaz like wolf him typically would so [unvote]

Hm.

 

Das a good point.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

I believe in magic

 

Scoobs said he'd potentially stick around for EoD, his best suspect was Eldrick, there was actually brief momentum toward Eldrick, and he still had no interest in hanging around

 

I don't buy it!

So you think he tried a little bussing, saw it gaining traction, and panicked?

i think it could have been or just scoobs pushing at a villager, not really relevant to what i'm saying

 

i'm saying that if scoobs had any interest in the lynch, he'd probably stick around when his top wolfread starts gaining training

 

(I think it's a bad sign that he doesn't have any interest in the lynch)

Spicy!

[Eldrick4221]

Hi cloudflare *waves*

[Spadeszee]

 

 

 

 

 

let's do an exercise for anyone around

 

what are your two strongest reads and why? can be villager reads or wolf reads

 

what is a read you have that you feel is against thread consensus?

 

who do you want to vote most today?

what are your two strongest reads and why?:

Town: Sooh- I think her tone (specifically that it can change), is very good. She seems confident in herself, but not from a place of having additional knowledge. I really respect her opinions and her conclusions and find them to be really valuable to me. She is the person (aside from the lovely Linz) I would be least likely to Lynch.

Wolf: Coward- Everyone is making excuses for their complete lack of content for some reason. I really understand coming in with humor and they did make me laugh, but they haven't showed any sign of wanting to seriously participate, just spectate. I don't like that at all. Unless we see some real content from this one, I would feel okay with voting them.

 

what is a read you have that you feel is against thread consensus?

I don't actually understand why Iron is getting so much heat. Maybe I need to go back and ISO him, but he took Cuth pressure vote really casually. He wanted to know why, but didn't flip out which looks good to me. Also with all the pressure everyone else is placing on him, I still feel like he's not really acting poorly to the pressure. I think the only things I don't like, and I may be getting influenced by Cory here, but he does seems to make some excuses for himself (Ie; absence and he just gets wolf read in general town or not)

 

who do you want to vote most today?

This is the hardest one for me to answer. I don't really have confidence in any of my reads right now (Call it a cop out,idc). I feel like there are such mixed vibes coming from every player and with D1 being so long I think everyone is kinda picking at eachother bones. I would feel safest voting Coward/Scruff due to lack of content. I don't like it still because even if they are lazy/lack luster villagers, they still could be villagers. But they have voices but choose not to use them so I'm just really conflicted.

Ok spades. I'm really starting to get annoyed by your "everyone is doing this, while I see it as that" when consistently in your examples I'm already doing that. Makes me feel like you're ignoring me.

 

This time irt your read on coward, who I am already sussing.

lol I don't even know what you're trying to say here.

 

Can you underline what is specifically annoying you?

You repeatedly use the word 'everyone', which implies that you're the only one that's seeing something.

 

It's usually something I have already pointed out.

 

You also mentioned that I'm shadowing you (recently read that in my catchup). I find this odd because I'm not. We happen to come to similar conclusions a lot, but it has nothing to do with you. If anything, you might be shadowing me. (But I wouldn't care)

 

If I replace it with "most people", would it satisfy you? At the moment in the thread, the general view was different from my own. Perhaps this is also a personal flaw, but I usually speak with who is currently active in the thread in my mind.

 

I'm sorry Eldrick, but you don't stand out to me this game. I don't know what to tell you. I read your posts and nothing strikes me as being ground breaking. Maybe I need to go back and ISO you. It's probably bad that I haven't been paying much attention to you.

I spoke in the beginning being worried that you were trying to buddy up with me at the get-go because of how I couldn't shake off the wolf vibes from you all of last game.  This has been in the back of my head all game, but it's not even close to being strong enough to make a read based off of it. Of course it's fine for you to agree with me, but I haven't been getting much original thought from you. If any of my reads are similar or thoughts are, it's not from your influence (as I seemingly forget your opinions). And you could of course say the same for me.

 

I don't feel like getting into a hipster battle of who said what first. I know that you have agreed with me and we've both had similar thoughts. When I make reads I don't think about what others have said unless it's relevant to how I formed my read. Does that make sense?

[Eldrick4221]

It does make sense. As long as it isn't you intentionally ignoring me, there isn't an issue. Being ignored is something that happens to me a lot, and I felt like you were being blatant about it.

[Spadeszee]

It does make sense. As long as it isn't you intentionally ignoring me, there isn't an issue. Being ignored is something that happens to me a lot, and I felt like you were being blatant about it.

I think we've been on the same page this whole game. Because of this none of your moves have surprised me of caused me to really think about what's going through your head. I think I focus on things as they pop out to me, so my lack of focus on you has been due to me reading your post, nodding my head and moving to look for something that raises a red flag.

 

I think this is a better way to explain what I mean.

[Eldrick4221]

Yay. Caught up.

 

Disappointed, but not entirely surprised, that scruff flipped town.

 

Really glad it came to a tie, tho. When there isn't much of a push for that, the lead trains are typically more likely to all be town.

 

Wagonomics puts coward at >rand chance of being scum.

[Eldrick4221]

So sooh's EoD was a rollercoaster of feels for me. I went into it knowing the flip, cuz I knew day had ended and wanted to know if we napped scum or not.

 

Still on the fence about jumping over to FC. I like the wagon on him though. Maybe favor it slightly over the one on Scruff, though it makes me feel uneasy that Scruff has had a wagon twice and it has dissipated.

  

 

 

...I don't understand what you're saying.

 

I'm guessing (and Sooh please correct me if I'm wrong) that maybe you asking me to do so isn't sitting well with her?

No, you're right.

 

Plus, while we don't have anyone directly defending Scruff, it sort of feels like a derailing attempt, which is why I don't particularly want to comply.

  

 

These posts kinda felt like trying to get the pressure to stay on scruff. I had just recently read the bit Cory said about coward only focusing on stuff that pertained to him, so I was already feeling worse there.

 

So these posts felt like maybe distancing, maybe mislynch pushing.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Fleeing Coward[/v]

 

I'll trust the power of Clovdyx.

But her switch and leave shot those ideas out of the water.

 

Feeling good about sooh now.

[Eldrick4221]

Nabbed*

[Eldrick4221]

Zander. Is there anything you wanted me to address that I haven't yet?

 

Please catch up before responding to this.

[Sooh]

So sooh's EoD was a rollercoaster of feels for me. I went into it knowing the flip, cuz I knew day had ended and wanted to know if we napped scum or not.

 

Still on the fence about jumping over to FC. I like the wagon on him though. Maybe favor it slightly over the one on Scruff, though it makes me feel uneasy that Scruff has had a wagon twice and it has dissipated.

  

 

 

...I don't understand what you're saying.

I'm guessing (and Sooh please correct me if I'm wrong) that maybe you asking me to do so isn't sitting well with her?

No, you're right.

 

Plus, while we don't have anyone directly defending Scruff, it sort of feels like a derailing attempt, which is why I don't particularly want to comply.

  

 

These posts kinda felt like trying to get the pressure to stay on scruff. I had just recently read the bit Cory said about coward only focusing on stuff that pertained to him, so I was already feeling worse there.

 

So these posts felt like maybe distancing, maybe mislynch pushing.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Fleeing Coward[/v]

 

I'll trust the power of Clovdyx.

But her switch and leave shot those ideas out of the water.

 

Feeling good about sooh now.

 

I don't even know why, knowing the flip, you're entertaining the idea. 

 

Is this basically a "showing my work" thing?

[Eldrick4221]

Because precisely that I knew the flip. Your hesitance to move from scruffy read like you knew he was town, and wanted the lynch to go that way.

[Eldrick4221]

And like I said, I feel there's a good chance coward is scum in this, so it also looked like voting against your teammate.

[Eldrick4221]

But I don't see you making that last minute change as scum, so it's not an issue anymore.

[Eldrick4221]

 

It does make sense. As long as it isn't you intentionally ignoring me, there isn't an issue. Being ignored is something that happens to me a lot, and I felt like you were being blatant about it.

 

I think we've been on the same page this whole game. Because of this none of your moves have surprised me of caused me to really think about what's going through your head. I think I focus on things as they pop out to me, so my lack of focus on you has been due to me reading your post, nodding my head and moving to look for something that raises a red flag.

 

I think this is a better way to explain what I mean.

I get that. Thank you for explaining.

[Eldrick4221]

I somehow missed that post until now.

[Eldrick4221]

Ok, going into your iso (against my better judgement. Kind survived so /shrug)

 

Wanna see if I can figure out for myself why you suss bop.

 

 

if we're really gonna give reads we're gonna kill darthe for the NK comment 

 

eldrick reading into cory being tryhardy so early makes me feel mildly good.

 

sooh makes me feel mildly good

 

cory wanting to take lead and get to busineess makes me feel good because if hes a villa and continues to take charge of the thread i won't have to read him because he should be a NK target sooner rather than later

 

aquila peacing out is concerning since he was just chatting in a public discord channel about something else right now, but he might be able to use discord at work and not visit websites or whatever for some reason he'll come up with later since this read is surely gonna put his ass on the spot.

 

 

Lets lynch this guy ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This seems to be where it may have started, even though I originally read this as a joke. Hm.

[Eldrick4221]

 

if zander is a wolf hes the wolf we're killing last, 

 

i enjoy his catchup posts

 

 

Im not

 

Thank you

 

And youre pinging me some reason I can quite put my finger on atp...

 

 

 

@Zander what does GTH mean?

 

 

Gun to head

Suss building. No specific reason.

[Eldrick4221]

 

@ Linz

 

Ya that back and forth with Sooh read really awkward to me, and tbqh it could very be nothing.

 

And its not just S-BOP but Sooh some too.

 

I get Bop is prolly joking with the whole Zander is a Wolf shtick but with that other interaction its just got me a little unsettled atp I guess.

  

 

 

@ Linz

 

Ya that back and forth with Sooh read really awkward to me, and tbqh it could very be nothing.

 

And its not just S-BOP but Sooh some too.

 

I get Bop is prolly joking with the whole Zander is a Wolf shtick but with that other interaction its just got me a little unsettled atp I guess.

 

I can see how it would be awkward. It did seem to escalate really quickly and then fizzle out just as quickly. 

Soo, the reasons for bop specifically because he called you a wolf, which may or may not be a joke?

 

Bop is hydra with Spades right?

 

Its very little to me its just something else that adds on and again, may be nothing at all.

 

Its early and very little general content overall.

 

 

zander, i dont think we ever played together. I played in 2 games here, one around xmas and one with clov a few months ago.

 

i dont think you were in the one around xmas but im not 100% We have chatted on skype a couple times i think a while back with hallia and a couple others.

 

 

As  for why i think you might be a wolf its based on the player not you. as for why i brought it up i like to do things for reactions to see if i get anything out of the way people react to them. Since you did your catch-up thing there was no reaction that i got out of it but i did enjoy your catch up.

 

 

 

Elaborate on this all please?

 

Especially the underlined.

 

And red. does you liking it effect your read on me?

 

Unless Im misunderstnaing things your Scum read on me is very very flimsy imo.

  

 

*the player you subbed in for not you* is what that first part should have read.

 

I have no read on you since enjoying your posting means nothing to me wrt your alignment. It makes me not want to killyou not because i think you are a villager but because i have little desire to kill fun people.

 

 

secondly are you suspicious of me because you are saying that i've generated very little content overalll or that there is very little content in the thread overall?

 

 

Red- How does that even make sense?  It was Penny's slot originally but how come when it was supposed to be Penny it was Scum but now because it's me in the same slot its different?!!??  I mean sure maybe if Penneh had posted but she did so......!??!!?!?

 

Green- You keep talking about not killing someone fun, as a Villager you should wanna lynch Scum period.  I don't care if its Mother Theresa, if its my children, the Pope or that sweet sweet Prince returned from the grave Ramsay Bolton, if they're Scum Imma lunch em up.

 

Blue- Thats not what I said, I said there not a lot of content to evaluate from currently.  My issue is more based on your partners interactions with Sooh then you but this response is pretty meh, not gonna lie.

 

I wish I had some Meta to draw a baseline from but ya not a good start.

 

 

Started to mq so I wouldn't have 50 bazillion posts on the same subject.

 

Got to the exchange about bop's wording, and now my head hurts.

[Eldrick4221]

Zander. I get WHY you want me to find the answer on my own. But for the sake of my sanity, can you just tell me?

[Eldrick4221]

I will keep digging eventually if you insist. I want to find a towny reason behind it. I want you to be town.