[Basic] Peg + Cat Mafia -- TOWN WIN

[Shad_]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Eldrick (2) - Tigraine, Eldrick

 

Not Voting: Songstress, Spadeszee, Shanti

 

 

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

 

[Shad_]

I have to go to bed, sorry.

[Spadeszee]

I have to go to bed, sorry.

Sweet dreams!

Hopefully no hammer until you wake Shad haha

[Eldrick4221]

 

I'm convinced it's Tigs. I obviously know it isn't spades or me, and am sure it isn't Shanti or Tress.

 

I'd like to win today, and lynch tigs. But getting me out of the way first is the optimal move.

Like I said, I would like to hear Shanti before we hammer.

 

You aren't even trying to make a real case or put things together right now, how is this town ever?

Kinda burned out from being wrong about Ed, and then Adella.

 

Also don't need to case when I'm able to clear everyone but one person.

 

I've put in enough work this game. I've gotten it narrowed down to tigs. If I'm wrong there, I'm not figuring it out.

[Eldrick4221]

I have a tinfoil on Shanti. That she pushed Alex early, but then dropped off when he actually started getting heat. That she never really interacted with Darthe. That all her comments about being confused could be a cover.

 

But it's just tinfoil. I really think she's just a townie getting used to the game.

[Eldrick4221]

Silver lining to the past couple days were that I got to sleep through the night phases :P

[Eldrick4221]

We vote Eldrick today, if he flips town (lol been wolf reading/voting him all game, opinion hasn't changed), It's going to be Tigs (sorry Tigs)

I just realized this is probably why you lived.

 

LZM was reading me town.

 

Don't care, though. Just hope you guys lynch tigs after I'm gone.

[Spadeszee]

I have a tinfoil on Shanti. That she pushed Alex early, but then dropped off when he actually started getting heat. That she never really interacted with Darthe. That all her comments about being confused could be a cover.

 

But it's just tinfoil. I really think she's just a townie getting used to the game.

I wrote a few days ago that there was always the possibility that Shanti could be a wolf who sort of got abandoned by her team and became very overwhelmed. She came in really strong and slowly trickled off. She could have been told to bus on Alex, thinking perhaps it would give her cover later (if true, it did), then maybe Darthe completely dipped out of qt and she was lost on what to do and voted him out of frustration. She mentioned wishing she had taken a mentor which could have symbolized some radio silence on Darthes part. I don't think she understood Hallia as seer, either, which would explain the lack of nk on her.

 

However, I have been town reading her. If she is a wolf I think it has to do more with confusion than manipulation. I haven't had a wolf game yet, I really don't know how I would play as one.

 

I mean, I can pull reasons for all of you being wolves. It's just your attitude this whole game has fluctuated and been so inconsistent.

 

The only reason I can put forward of you not being a wolf is that I am here and I am your biggest threat. But so is Tigs.

So that's where I get very puzzled and wonder what the heck you're doing, if you are a wolf.

 

I desperately want to have faith that Tress isn't wolf, because she's just done so many things that aren't wolfy to me and as a person I don't think she would play wolf like this. However, I was the only one really sticking up for her yesterday, so keeping me alive would have been a very smart move of hers. Keeping me as a shield where LZM wasn't really present and would probably just follow vote based off whoever had the best logic.

 

I can sit here and wrack my brain about all these little reasons. Hell, if I wasn't cleared I'm sure I've done some extremely wolfy things too.

 

At the end of the day, your actions to me can be read as the most wolfy imo. Darthe being wolf threw a lot off, your vote on him threw a lot off. But like I said, and active wolf with a successful bus is a recipe for us to all be chasing our tails around, especially with so many dormant villagers. Your lack of care of being rand lynched next to Alex has remained the biggest red flag of this game to me. 

[Spadeszee]

 

We vote Eldrick today, if he flips town (lol been wolf reading/voting him all game, opinion hasn't changed), It's going to be Tigs (sorry Tigs)

I just realized this is probably why you lived.

 

LZM was reading me town.

 

Don't care, though. Just hope you guys lynch tigs after I'm gone.

 

Would appreciate a quote on this.

[Spadeszee]

If you flip wolf, man, I know your game completely. You think about how NKs look for certain people, let others come to conclusions then back it up and embellish their ideas to get villagers lynched. Hallia not being NKed, I think was because you probably thought Hallia was bluffing, and Cass-Dices' response to their claim "You guys have no idea what's going on" to Hallias "Tress gets it" made you think it was Cass-Dice as seer. Cass and Dice were pretty active in comparison to Hallia, so them as seer would be a much bigger threat to you. It would also leave everyone super confused and perhaps question Hallia, could have gotten yourself a mislynch. I have been hounding you basically all game, but keeping me alive is smart, because it gives you a form of cover, you can point at me and say "Look, shes still alive, it can't possibly be me". First pocketing Darthe, throwing that out the window to start to distance yourself would also be a smart move if you wanted to hold on to win this game. Best word of advice I got was that wolfs want to make friends, not enemies. You never tried to dig anything up on me, ever, you were always defending what I said or adding to it. It's been bothering me all match that you didn't question me once, especially with all the pressure I have put onto you. As much as I try not to be bias when people question my alignment, I still look into their reasons for questioning me and if it seems to be coming from a genuine place of figuring me out or not and it does put them on my radar the rest of the game.

 

If you're town. I don't know what to say other than you're all over the place and I just couldn't trust you because of that. We will get Tigs for you and end this in your honor <3

 

Also understand, this is my second game ever. I don't know what most wolfs do to win these, at what lengths people go or how well thought out schemes can be. I am someone who analyses every little thing and questions it irl, so trying to looking at this from a wolf angle it would be a very smart way to win (if I wasn't paranoid and watching).

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

Ok, so, my reads, in the dumbed down version cuz no computer and stuff.

Spades-town, cuz Hallia.

Eldrick- town cuz he's trying to solve. Been the most active on casing and damn near led the lynch on Darthe.

Tigs- not sure of alignment, she did hammer Darthe, but could have been a distancing tactic as the Darthe train was rolling.

Shanti-hate to say it but I think she's town. Only for the reason it's her second game and I can't see her being the last scum. Even though waiting to take out Hallia until N3 would be a newb move.

Ok, I could go either way with Shanti.

Which leaves Tress and Adella, both skilled players. I think I found whom I'm gonna concentrate on.

Shanti voted on Alex and Darthe. Unless Alex was rude or something in qt and Darthe disappeared leaving her alone and frustrated, there is no reason for her to buss 2 wolf partners.

Why can Tigs bus and not Eldrick? Elrick was top train and been on my radar all game. I'm not saying he is my top pick, but he isn't most town imo.

Adella is my first scum pick, I don't think I would vote anyone before her.

Shanti voted on the Darthe train? I missed that.

As to why I think Eldrick is town is his vote placement on Darthe train. He voted Darthe second I believe, which doesn't make sense to me if Eld is scum. I could see it as a bus if he hammered, but not as second vote on the train.

I do want to take a closer look at Adella.

[Eldrick4221]

If you're town. I don't know what to say other than you're all over the place and I just couldn't trust you because of that. We will get Tigs for you and end this in your honor <3

 

Also understand, this is my second game ever. I don't know what most wolfs do to win these, at what lengths people go or how well thought out schemes can be. I am someone who analyses every little thing and questions it irl, so trying to looking at this from a wolf angle it would be a very smart way to win (if I wasn't paranoid and watching).

This is an accurate description of my town game. I think logically, but all over the place. I look for what others are missing.

 

The result is usually that I get ignored, or scum read for being weird, but it's how I think.

[Eldrick4221]

Anyone who has played with me will back that up, I'm sure.

[Spadeszee]

 

 

Ok, so, my reads, in the dumbed down version cuz no computer and stuff.

 

Spades-town, cuz Hallia.

 

Eldrick- town cuz he's trying to solve. Been the most active on casing and damn near led the lynch on Darthe.

 

Tigs- not sure of alignment, she did hammer Darthe, but could have been a distancing tactic as the Darthe train was rolling.

 

Shanti-hate to say it but I think she's town. Only for the reason it's her second game and I can't see her being the last scum. Even though waiting to take out Hallia until N3 would be a newb move.

 

Ok, I could go either way with Shanti.

 

Which leaves Tress and Adella, both skilled players. I think I found whom I'm gonna concentrate on.

Shanti voted on Alex and Darthe. Unless Alex was rude or something in qt and Darthe disappeared leaving her alone and frustrated, there is no reason for her to buss 2 wolf partners.

 

Why can Tigs bus and not Eldrick? Elrick was top train and been on my radar all game. I'm not saying he is my top pick, but he isn't most town imo.

 

Adella is my first scum pick, I don't think I would vote anyone before her.

Shanti voted on the Darthe train? I missed that.

 

As to why I think Eldrick is town is his vote placement on Darthe train. He voted Darthe second I believe, which doesn't make sense to me if Eld is scum. I could see it as a bus if he hammered, but not as second vote on the train.

 

I do want to take a closer look at Adella.

 

@Eldrick

This is all I could find. I don't think his logic for town reading is great since Tigs is in a very similar position. Hammer Tigs wouldn't make sense either, since Cass-Dice and Eldrick were the other trains going. Makes no sense for Tigs to hammer as mafia on mafia in that position when she could have just gone for Dice/Cass or Eldrick. 

I honestly think if you are a wolf, the follow vote was to affirm Shanti being in your pocket, because she had been agreeing with you on a lot of points. Gives you a good look for her.

[Spadeszee]

Anyone who has played with me will back that up, I'm sure.

My mentor has mentioned this :P 

[Eldrick4221]

My point wasn't whether or not lzm had a great reason to think I was town, but that he did. You have been thinking I was scum all game.

 

My point was that I think that's why you lived. It keeps the focus on me.

 

But it also doesn't matter. I've expected to die all game. And I'm not sure on Tigs. I'm worried I'm wrong about shanti.

[Eldrick4221]

I honestly didn't pay too much attention to Shanti for most of the game. I only really remember her agreeing with me once. Any similarities we had in our thinking was purely because we saw the same things.

 

I never agreed with what she said. She agreed with me. Not sure how you can possibly construe that as me pocketing her.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

Ok, so, my reads, in the dumbed down version cuz no computer and stuff.

 

Spades-town, cuz Hallia.

 

Eldrick- town cuz he's trying to solve. Been the most active on casing and damn near led the lynch on Darthe.

 

Tigs- not sure of alignment, she did hammer Darthe, but could have been a distancing tactic as the Darthe train was rolling.

 

Shanti-hate to say it but I think she's town. Only for the reason it's her second game and I can't see her being the last scum. Even though waiting to take out Hallia until N3 would be a newb move.

 

Ok, I could go either way with Shanti.

 

Which leaves Tress and Adella, both skilled players. I think I found whom I'm gonna concentrate on.

Shanti voted on Alex and Darthe. Unless Alex was rude or something in qt and Darthe disappeared leaving her alone and frustrated, there is no reason for her to buss 2 wolf partners.

 

Why can Tigs bus and not Eldrick? Elrick was top train and been on my radar all game. I'm not saying he is my top pick, but he isn't most town imo.

 

Adella is my first scum pick, I don't think I would vote anyone before her.

Shanti voted on the Darthe train? I missed that.

 

As to why I think Eldrick is town is his vote placement on Darthe train. He voted Darthe second I believe, which doesn't make sense to me if Eld is scum. I could see it as a bus if he hammered, but not as second vote on the train.

 

I do want to take a closer look at Adella.

@Eldrick

This is all I could find. I don't think his logic for town reading is great since Tigs is in a very similar position. Hammer Tigs wouldn't make sense either, since Cass-Dice and Eldrick were the other trains going. Makes no sense for Tigs to hammer as mafia on mafia in that position when she could have just gone for Dice/Cass or Eldrick.

I honestly think if you are a wolf, the follow vote was to affirm Shanti being in your pocket, because she had been agreeing with you on a lot of points. Gives you a good look for her.

Also, as I corrected when he said it, I was the lead vote on darthe.

[Eldrick4221]

Stupid electronics. Mq three things, then the show mq button doesn't work

[Spadeszee]

I honestly didn't pay too much attention to Shanti for most of the game. I only really remember her agreeing with me once. Any similarities we had in our thinking was purely because we saw the same things.

 

I never agreed with what she said. She agreed with me. Not sure how you can possibly construe that as me pocketing her.

I gave my thought on how Shanty, voting on both wolves could be possible.

She has just been following you. Whichever pocket that puts her in. I could go back and ISO how that happened but I'm going to sleep for now.

[Spadeszee]

I also did think you were the first vote on Darthe which would further my thoughts on that bus. Idk. I can see Tigs but all the reasons I listed about you and why as a wolf you would have played things this way are stronger than anything else I have.

[Eldrick4221]

%& it I'm not quoting

 

Tigs' hammer on Darthe could be a bus vote. Her reason for voting him was that I was active.

 

When she went over all of us, her description on Darthe was that she didn't understand why people were reading him as town. But she listed her too scum as ed and me.

 

The point in her favor is the same one tress has. That she was aware of hally being seer. She unvoted lzm because of it.

[Eldrick4221]

I also did think you were the first vote on Darthe which would further my thoughts on that bus. Idk. I can see Tigs but all the reasons I listed about you and why as a wolf you would have played things this way are stronger than anything else I have.

And I'm not disputing your points. It makes sense for you to think I'm scum. But I'd also like to actually find the scum. I'd like to keep talking about this so when we die, they can finish it.

[Spadeszee]

%& it I'm not quoting

 

Tigs' hammer on Darthe could be a bus vote. Her reason for voting him was that I was active.

 

When she went over all of us, her description on Darthe was that she didn't understand why people were reading him as town. But she listed her too scum as ed and me.

 

The point in her favor is the same one tress has. That she was aware of hally being seer. She unvoted lzm because of it.

If you're going to fight this take your vote off yourself, for goodness sake!

[Eldrick4221]

Tress. I really am sorry for making this fall to you, but I think it will.