[Basic] Peg + Cat Mafia -- TOWN WIN

[Eldrick4221]

Guys listen, I know there are new people here and I feel it always needs to be mentioned to new people but this is JUST A GAME!

Never get personal in your attacks on each other and then in return don't get emotional when someone is going after you.

The point of this game is to win, no matter your alliance....family, friends, or enemys DO NOT MATTER!

In this game I am not Ashley. I am not even Tigs....I am a character in Shad's game and that's all I am.

Please keep it civil so we can keep it fun.

Why did you mention this caveat? I'm really starting to get the vibe that you are overly conscious to your personal connection with Shanti. Explanation of that could be because you're scum.

[Shanti]

 

Guys listen, I know there are new people here and I feel it always needs to be mentioned to new people but this is JUST A GAME!

Never get personal in your attacks on each other and then in return don't get emotional when someone is going after you. The point of this game is to win, no matter your alliance....family, friends, or enemys DO NOT MATTER!

In this game I am not Ashley. I am not even Tigs....I am a character in Shad's game and that's all I am.

Please keep it civil so we can keep it fun.

Why did you mention this caveat? I'm really starting to get the vibe that you are overly conscious to your personal connection with Shanti. Explanation of that could be because you're scum.

She mentioned that in response to someone stating them personally knowing someone was affecting their reads if I'm not mistaken, not to mention at the time Alex was causing quite a ruckus and tempers were flaring.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, 5 pages before lunch. I'm gonna have fun just keeping up with all of this during the day.

[V]Shanti[/v]

Hey Shanti, welcome to DM! I'm in that other game with you too.

 

Can you explain your vote please?

What didnt you understand about this vote? Seemed pretty self explanatory to me.

Thanks, but it was clearly a poke for more interaction. Also, I find it interesting that you felt the need to defend this...

Im not defending it. Im tryin to figure out why Spades woukd question it. Seems wokfy to question it. Almost like she knows youre voting a villager.

"Why are you voting this villager?!"

 

I asked everyone to explain their votes, though.

Well, this is sort of true...

 

 

Wow, 5 pages before lunch. I'm gonna have fun just keeping up with all of this during the day.

[V]Shanti[/v]

Hey Shanti, welcome to DM! I'm in that other game with you too.

 

Can you explain your vote please?

Got one there....

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Dice/Cass (1) - Eldrick

Eldrick (1) - Dice/Cass

Shanti (2 - Alexander, Adella

Alexander (1) - Shanti

Spades (1) - Redd

Not Voting: Darthe, Songstress, Spadeszee, LedZepMan, Tigraine, Ed, Hallia

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

So unless people are busing ( I think I'm using this correctly!) Dice/Cass and Eldritck are not a wolf team and Alexander and Shanti aren't either. Or early busing while they can get away with it to throw off later cases against them. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

 

I would love to hear why people are voting for who they are.  I know day 1 a lot of votes just get tossed around to get reaction reads, but I would like to hear some real cases.

Going to go back and see if anyone hasn't checked in yet. I don't think we're all here or an impression hasn't been made. Still too early to find an inactive wolf, but worth a look.

Re: bolded section

This doesn't count as asking everyone why their votes are where they are. At this point 6 votes have been cast and you asked about 1 of them. I'm fine with explaining myself, but now I find it unnecessary when you literally had not asked a single other person specifically to do so.

 

Do you still hold to your vote on Cass/Dice? If so, why?

 

That is 2. Out of 6. I'm not saying that this specifically means you're scum, but it absolutely a nudge in that direction.

 

 

As far as your back and forth with Alex, scum tend to lay low on D1 in my experience (then again I have only played 1 full game in 6 years, and I'm in 1 more that Ed is modding) so it was pinging me as town that you both were being so open, but it is counteracted by my above observations.

I still don't get why you didn't interpret this general sentence as asking everybody for their votes, or why you felt the way she did it was scummy.

 

I caught on right away. It was a normal way to ask, and that information should be willingly given by town when asked.

[Shanti]

 

 

tigraine you seem to agree with shanti alot. then why arent you voting me? would i not be your biggest wolfread atm?

I agree with her a lot? Just because I know there is such a thing as defensive aggression doesnt mean I am agree with her.

I'm proud of her because she hasn't played but one day phase in another game and she seems to be picking up on stuff, like your defensive aggression.

However, that is the the personality and play style of certain players and as I have never played against you before, I'd like to take a little time to see your TONE for myself.

 

 

 

 

tigraine you seem to agree with shanti alot. then why arent you voting me? would i not be your biggest wolfread atm?

I agree with her a lot? Just because I know there is such a thing as defensive aggression doesnt mean I am agree with her.

I'm proud of her because she hasn't played but one day phase in another game and she seems to be picking up on stuff, like your defensive aggression.

However, that is the the personality and play style of certain players and as I have never played against you before, I'd like to take a little time to see your TONE for myself.

you didnt answer my question friendo

 

why arent you voting me? would i not be your biggest wolfread atm?

oh i just reread tigraine's post. she says she is not voting me because she doesnt agree with shanti

 

not sure i buy that

@alex- I agree with her that you were being defensively aggressive.

Don't twist my words.

@Redd- I can see that you and I have very different play styles. I like to quote people I find scummy so others can see what I'm referring to. I think that's a big part of being a team player so that fellow townies don't have to spend their time searching my reasoning. It gives them time to give their own reads on people

Things that make you go hmmm.

First post you're clearly saying you acknowledge that what she says in possible, but not that you agree with it. Alex challenges that, and you retort with that you DID say you agree.

And on these I took it to mean that while she agreed with me on his defensive aggression it didn't mean she agreed with me on everything. In the top one she does acknowledge his defenses aggression.

 

I dunno. It's just what I took from it. It didn't seem suspicious go to me, tbh

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

Guys listen, I know there are new people here and I feel it always needs to be mentioned to new people but this is JUST A GAME!

Never get personal in your attacks on each other and then in return don't get emotional when someone is going after you. The point of this game is to win, no matter your alliance....family, friends, or enemys DO NOT MATTER!

In this game I am not Ashley. I am not even Tigs....I am a character in Shad's game and that's all I am.

Please keep it civil so we can keep it fun.

Why did you mention this caveat? I'm really starting to get the vibe that you are overly conscious to your personal connection with Shanti. Explanation of that could be because you're scum.

She mentioned that in response to someone stating them personally knowing someone was affecting their reads if I'm not mistaken, not to mention at the time Alex was causing quite a ruckus and tempers were flaring.

I noticed the ruckus. I didn't see why personal affiliation had to be addressed. As far as I'm aware, nobody here knows alex.

[Shanti]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, 5 pages before lunch. I'm gonna have fun just keeping up with all of this during the day.

[V]Shanti[/v]

Hey Shanti, welcome to DM! I'm in that other game with you too.

Can you explain your vote please?

What didnt you understand about this vote? Seemed pretty self explanatory to me.

Thanks, but it was clearly a poke for more interaction. Also, I find it interesting that you felt the need to defend this...

Im not defending it. Im tryin to figure out why Spades woukd question it. Seems wokfy to question it. Almost like she knows youre voting a villager.

"Why are you voting this villager?!"

 

I asked everyone to explain their votes, though.

Well, this is sort of true...

 

 

Wow, 5 pages before lunch. I'm gonna have fun just keeping up with all of this during the day.

[V]Shanti[/v]

Hey Shanti, welcome to DM! I'm in that other game with you too.

Can you explain your vote please?

Got one there....

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Dice/Cass (1) - Eldrick

Eldrick (1) - Dice/Cass

Shanti (2 - Alexander, Adella

Alexander (1) - Shanti

Spades (1) - Redd

Not Voting: Darthe, Songstress, Spadeszee, LedZepMan, Tigraine, Ed, Hallia

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

So unless people are busing ( I think I'm using this correctly!) Dice/Cass and Eldritck are not a wolf team and Alexander and Shanti aren't either. Or early busing while they can get away with it to throw off later cases against them. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

 I would love to hear why people are voting for who they are.  I know day 1 a lot of votes just get tossed around to get reaction reads, but I would like to hear some real cases.

Going to go back and see if anyone hasn't checked in yet. I don't think we're all here or an impression hasn't been made. Still too early to find an inactive wolf, but worth a look.

Re: bolded section

This doesn't count as asking everyone why their votes are where they are. At this point 6 votes have been cast and you asked about 1 of them. I'm fine with explaining myself, but now I find it unnecessary when you literally had not asked a single other person specifically to do so.

 

Do you still hold to your vote on Cass/Dice? If so, why?

That is 2. Out of 6. I'm not saying that this specifically means you're scum, but it absolutely a nudge in that direction.

 

 

As far as your back and forth with Alex, scum tend to lay low on D1 in my experience (then again I have only played 1 full game in 6 years, and I'm in 1 more that Ed is modding) so it was pinging me as town that you both were being so open, but it is counteracted by my above observations.

I still don't get why you didn't interpret this general sentence as asking everybody for their votes, or why you felt the way she did it was scummy.

I caught on right away. It was a normal way to ask, and that information should be willingly given by town when asked.

I agree, not to mention she did ask quite a few others directly about their vote but me mentioning that went ignored.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

tigraine you seem to agree with shanti alot. then why arent you voting me? would i not be your biggest wolfread atm?

I agree with her a lot? Just because I know there is such a thing as defensive aggression doesnt mean I am agree with her.

I'm proud of her because she hasn't played but one day phase in another game and she seems to be picking up on stuff, like your defensive aggression.

However, that is the the personality and play style of certain players and as I have never played against you before, I'd like to take a little time to see your TONE for myself.

 

 

 

 

tigraine you seem to agree with shanti alot. then why arent you voting me? would i not be your biggest wolfread atm?

I agree with her a lot? Just because I know there is such a thing as defensive aggression doesnt mean I am agree with her.

I'm proud of her because she hasn't played but one day phase in another game and she seems to be picking up on stuff, like your defensive aggression.

However, that is the the personality and play style of certain players and as I have never played against you before, I'd like to take a little time to see your TONE for myself.

you didnt answer my question friendo

 

why arent you voting me? would i not be your biggest wolfread atm?

oh i just reread tigraine's post. she says she is not voting me because she doesnt agree with shanti

 

not sure i buy that

@alex- I agree with her that you were being defensively aggressive.

Don't twist my words.

@Redd- I can see that you and I have very different play styles. I like to quote people I find scummy so others can see what I'm referring to. I think that's a big part of being a team player so that fellow townies don't have to spend their time searching my reasoning. It gives them time to give their own reads on people

Things that make you go hmmm.

First post you're clearly saying you acknowledge that what she says in possible, but not that you agree with it. Alex challenges that, and you retort with that you DID say you agree.

And on these I took it to mean that while she agreed with me on his defensive aggression it didn't mean she agreed with me on everything. In the top one she does acknowledge his defenses aggression.

I dunno. It's just what I took from it. It didn't seem suspicious go to me, tbh

It didn't to me either, originally. But I'm at the point that I need to look deeper. Look for stuff I missed before.

[Shanti]

 

 

 

Guys listen, I know there are new people here and I feel it always needs to be mentioned to new people but this is JUST A GAME!

Never get personal in your attacks on each other and then in return don't get emotional when someone is going after you. The point of this game is to win, no matter your alliance....family, friends, or enemys DO NOT MATTER!

In this game I am not Ashley. I am not even Tigs....I am a character in Shad's game and that's all I am.

Please keep it civil so we can keep it fun.

Why did you mention this caveat? I'm really starting to get the vibe that you are overly conscious to your personal connection with Shanti. Explanation of that could be because you're scum.

She mentioned that in response to someone stating them personally knowing someone was affecting their reads if I'm not mistaken, not to mention at the time Alex was causing quite a ruckus and tempers were flaring.

I noticed the ruckus. I didn't see why personal affiliation had to be addressed. As far as I'm aware, nobody here knows alex.

No, but someone did mention knowing someone else. I can't remember who. She tied that into her generalized post about it just being a game. I can look back and see if I can find who said it.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

tigraine you seem to agree with shanti alot. then why arent you voting me? would i not be your biggest wolfread atm?

I agree with her a lot? Just because I know there is such a thing as defensive aggression doesnt mean I am agree with her.

I'm proud of her because she hasn't played but one day phase in another game and she seems to be picking up on stuff, like your defensive aggression.

However, that is the the personality and play style of certain players and as I have never played against you before, I'd like to take a little time to see your TONE for myself.

 

 

 

 

tigraine you seem to agree with shanti alot. then why arent you voting me? would i not be your biggest wolfread atm?

I agree with her a lot? Just because I know there is such a thing as defensive aggression doesnt mean I am agree with her.

I'm proud of her because she hasn't played but one day phase in another game and she seems to be picking up on stuff, like your defensive aggression.

However, that is the the personality and play style of certain players and as I have never played against you before, I'd like to take a little time to see your TONE for myself.

you didnt answer my question friendo

 

why arent you voting me? would i not be your biggest wolfread atm?

oh i just reread tigraine's post. she says she is not voting me because she doesnt agree with shanti

 

not sure i buy that

@alex- I agree with her that you were being defensively aggressive.

Don't twist my words.

@Redd- I can see that you and I have very different play styles. I like to quote people I find scummy so others can see what I'm referring to. I think that's a big part of being a team player so that fellow townies don't have to spend their time searching my reasoning. It gives them time to give their own reads on people

Things that make you go hmmm.

First post you're clearly saying you acknowledge that what she says in possible, but not that you agree with it. Alex challenges that, and you retort with that you DID say you agree.

And on these I took it to mean that while she agreed with me on his defensive aggression it didn't mean she agreed with me on everything. In the top one she does acknowledge his defenses aggression.

I dunno. It's just what I took from it. It didn't seem suspicious go to me, tbh

Bolded the lines that read as contradictory.

[Shanti]

 

 

 

 

tigraine you seem to agree with shanti alot. then why arent you voting me? would i not be your biggest wolfread atm?

I agree with her a lot? Just because I know there is such a thing as defensive aggression doesnt mean I am agree with her.

I'm proud of her because she hasn't played but one day phase in another game and she seems to be picking up on stuff, like your defensive aggression.

However, that is the the personality and play style of certain players and as I have never played against you before, I'd like to take a little time to see your TONE for myself.

 

 

 

 

tigraine you seem to agree with shanti alot. then why arent you voting me? would i not be your biggest wolfread atm?

I agree with her a lot? Just because I know there is such a thing as defensive aggression doesnt mean I am agree with her.

I'm proud of her because she hasn't played but one day phase in another game and she seems to be picking up on stuff, like your defensive aggression.

However, that is the the personality and play style of certain players and as I have never played against you before, I'd like to take a little time to see your TONE for myself.

you didnt answer my question friendo

 

why arent you voting me? would i not be your biggest wolfread atm?

oh i just reread tigraine's post. she says she is not voting me because she doesnt agree with shanti

 

not sure i buy that

@alex- I agree with her that you were being defensively aggressive.

Don't twist my words.

@Redd- I can see that you and I have very different play styles. I like to quote people I find scummy so others can see what I'm referring to. I think that's a big part of being a team player so that fellow townies don't have to spend their time searching my reasoning. It gives them time to give their own reads on people

Things that make you go hmmm.

First post you're clearly saying you acknowledge that what she says in possible, but not that you agree with it. Alex challenges that, and you retort with that you DID say you agree.

And on these I took it to mean that while she agreed with me on his defensive aggression it didn't mean she agreed with me on everything. In the top one she does acknowledge his defenses aggression.

I dunno. It's just what I took from it. It didn't seem suspicious go to me, tbh

Bolded the lines that read as contradictory.

I know, I get that. At the time I guess I understood what she was trying to say so Z it's hard for me to not understand now lol

[Adella]

Oof... So I'm caught up... But it's also 2:57am. I'm sorry for not checking back in when I said I would, that isn't helping anyone.

 

Right now I'm taking in a lot of information, and I'm sleepy and on mobile. I think I have enough time to be able to go to sleep and catch up on reads tomorrow.

[Eldrick4221]

I appreciate your challenging the points I bring up, but who do you think is scum and why?

 

Cuz I'm at a loss. I'm currently leaning tigs because of these things.

[Eldrick4221]

Oof... So I'm caught up... But it's also 2:57am. I'm sorry for not checking back in when I said I would, that isn't helping anyone.

Right now I'm taking in a lot of information, and I'm sleepy and on mobile. I think I have enough time to be able to go to sleep and catch up on reads tomorrow.

Sorry back at cha for suggesting to Tress she hammer early. We should have waited for everyone's input.

 

I was just so sure it was ed, and that was the general feel of the thread.

[Adella]

As my last comment for the night, and it's a general comment, Ed seriously always comes off scummy, even when he is town. It's hard to dig through his crap to get a true read on him. Gnight and I shall return.

[Shanti]

I appreciate your challenging the points I bring up, but who do you think is scum and why?

Cuz I'm at a loss. I'm currently leaning tigs because of these things.

Honestly, right now I have no clue. I was so sure about Halli and Ed, I'm thrown. Only one I trust as town right now is myself. I need to do as you are and re-read but I'm not wanting to tackle that on mobile.

[Eldrick4221]

 

I appreciate your challenging the points I bring up, but who do you think is scum and why?

Cuz I'm at a loss. I'm currently leaning tigs because of these things.

Honestly, right now I have no clue. I was so sure about Halli and Ed, I'm thrown. Only one I trust as town right now is myself. I need to do as you are and re-read but I'm not wanting to tackle that on mobile.

you should also trust LZM and Spades. At least somewhat. They are confirmed cleared by Hally.

[Eldrick4221]

Alrighty, going to give my reads. Still really early for me to make any definitive choices, but this is what I'm thinking.

 

Darthe has a villager tilt for me. Eldrick seems to be keen to pocket him and follow his lead and he questioned this rather than accepting the company. 

 

Redd seems to be treating everyone fairly equally and applying little bits of pressure to try to get reactions for himself. I think knowing his skill level it's way too early to clear him, but this is a good look so far.

 

Songstress hasn't said much for herself, but she did like that Shanti dove into conflict between Alex and I fearlessly (which is a good thing), which shows she is paying attention to peoples actions. Villager tilt for me.

 

Alexander is very disorganized. This is actually a good thing for him. He doesn't seem to be trying to mislead with his interactions so much as I think he has no idea whats going on, latched onto me because I gave him negative attention and hasn't quite moved past that point yet. He is probably a very confused villager.

 

LedZepMan Going to have to wait on this one, which is unfortunate. 

 

Shanti is giving me villager vibes. She seems really energetic and passionate about this game. She's not afraid to get involved which shows shes not scared of making "enemies", shes here to solve this.

 

Tigrine is mixed for me. I don't feel like there has been really any substance to her posts. They seem simple and just dancing on the surface. Need more from this one. Leaving at neutral for the time being.

 

Eldrick is feeling pretty wolfy to me. He's been buttering up Darthe basically this whole match. He mentioned that last game they were wolfbros together and while I don't think Darthe is a wolf, I do think he's trying to hop into his pocket and get a free ride from a strong player. He seems concerned about his look at well.

 

Ed I got not a whole lot from this slot. Since he's active now I will try to make an actual read after I ISO him. As for now I'm saying unmemorable which leaves him neutral. (will update asap)

 

Dice/Cass is doing well for me so far. They seem to be questioning everyone and giving their insight and have a good amount of control. I agree with Tress and I wish I could see more from Dice to get an accurate read for you as a whole. Going to say villager for now.

 

Hallia is dancing on the surface right now. So far I haven't seen really any substance in her posts. She said she was weary of Redd last night but hasn't updated that opinion. Hate to say it but I think she might be scum.

 

Adella has left a lot to want for. We've only seen two mild interactions from her and one was a welcome vote, the other was her fixating on something extremely specific with me. If she doesn't broaden her horizons I will start to worry. However, she did come for me, which shows she's not afraid of making an enemy which is pretty villagery imo.

Quoting just for a refresher on your reads then.

 

Agree that Adella's and Tigs' content was lacking.

 

You read Tress' interactions as better than I did, but your reason for doing so makes sense.

 

Shanti giving me villager vibes too.

 

Also want to clarify, even though it doesn't matter, that I was talking about a past game where Cass was my teammate, not Darthe. My reason for being suspicious of her early post was because of that game. In that game, I decided to not look at my role pm at the beginning. So I didn't know Cass was my teammate. As a result, I read an early post on that game genuinely, and thought she was town. I got a similar vibe from her post this game.

[Spadeszee]

 

 

I appreciate your challenging the points I bring up, but who do you think is scum and why?

Cuz I'm at a loss. I'm currently leaning tigs because of these things.

Honestly, right now I have no clue. I was so sure about Halli and Ed, I'm thrown. Only one I trust as town right now is myself. I need to do as you are and re-read but I'm not wanting to tackle that on mobile.

you should also trust LZM and Spades. At least somewhat. They are confirmed cleared by Hally.

You can at least trust that we're town, our opinions are probably as confused as everyone else's.

[Eldrick4221]

Darthe- Null read, hasn't posted content other than to specify a quote or two either Wolfy or townie.

Tress- null read, only game content was to say she agreed with Ed that Adella is town and to say she likes the work Shanti has put in

Spade- never played with before (it just sounds wrong! I know I'm 31 and a mother of three but my mind goes bad places) but she seems to be legitimately trying to game solve. She's asking about votes and questioning things in a positive manner.

LZM- hasn't checked in

Eddie- hasnt said much which is game related. Common for him during day 1 but Eddie is one that I ALWAYS find scummy. It's how he got me last game. I try to give him the benefit of the doubt and it colors my game play with him. So I always keep an eye on him but other than remarking about Alex and spades back and forth, he hasn't said anything.

I'm going ahead and posting this because believe it or not it has taken me hours to type this out. Like I said, I am on mobile and it's a true process. Not to mention my one year old dive/princess/demon/drama queen/ beauty I am dealing with...kid likes to eat and poop and push buttons on my phone :(

I'm starting to work on the rest but know that it will prob be a while before I can get my thoughts on everyone else to you guys. ISOing on mobile and trying to type it all on my notepad to copy and paste to you guys is tedious.

Only read on this list that matters now is Tress. And I currently have her as null in my reread too.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

I appreciate your challenging the points I bring up, but who do you think is scum and why?

Cuz I'm at a loss. I'm currently leaning tigs because of these things.

Honestly, right now I have no clue. I was so sure about Halli and Ed, I'm thrown. Only one I trust as town right now is myself. I need to do as you are and re-read but I'm not wanting to tackle that on mobile.

you should also trust LZM and Spades. At least somewhat. They are confirmed cleared by Hally.

You can at least trust that we're town, our opinions are probably as confused as everyone else's.

That's exactly what I meant :)

[Spadeszee]

Adella stands as my next most likely wolf . Much like Darthe, she just disappeared. She has contributed zero to solving this game and her absence shows me she wasn't reading the other night (missing the seer claim). These are the same reasons Ed got himself lynched. I don't want to rush a vote, I want to hear everyone's logic and reasoning for their top/tops. I do think she may have bussed Alex with her vote.

Will update more after I get a few hours of sleep.

[Eldrick4221]

Ok. End of page 20. Taking a break.

[Eldrick4221]

Adella stands as my next most likely wolf . Much like Darthe, she just disappeared. She has contributed zero to solving this game and her absence shows me she wasn't reading the other night (missing the seer claim). These are the same reasons Ed got himself lynched. I don't want to rush a vote, I want to hear everyone's logic and reasoning for their top/tops. I do think she may have bussed Alex with her vote.

Will update more after I get a few hours of sleep.

Very possible.

 

I second the no rushing a vote.

[Eldrick4221]

I want to get through the whole thread before I vote. I may not even vote this phase, if I'm not ready to.

[Spadeszee]

My thoughts on Tress are that she knew Hallia was the seer, she understood that clearly at EoD, my mentor informed me she lost a wolf game for not killing the seer once she knew. Cass-Dice soft claimed as seer as well, however, they claimed Tress as their n0 peek, which means unless she didn't read her own notes (very unlikely) she would have killed Hallia. Also Hallia wouldn't lie about that.