[Advanced] Old West Mischief Mafia - Town Wins!

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

 

bam boom bam boom

 

thanks everyone

 

we got lucky

We did not. He was an easy pick and all three on the block are good candidates still.

Did you sus him before the wagon built up on him? Because I don't recall that ever.

 

And I was reading Darthe as stubborn town, but Eldrick's observation of his past behaviour as scum and the fact that he moved over to a new wagon despite the fact that he claims to still believe my/Mrsclov's slot to be scum doesn't make any sense.

 

If he thought both leading wagons were scum, and we were supposedly his strongest (practically only) scum reads all day (and we know that he likes to be right) and there was no danger of any other competing wagon....why not keep his vote on us since it shouldn't matter to him which one of us flipped?

I'm trying to follow your train of thought here, with the knowledge that NotBob is scum. If Darthe was scum, he would obviously care.

 

Town=he thought. Scum= he knew

 

This makes sense from town!Darthe pov but not scum!darthe

@Eldrick I'm interested to hear your explanation of this. Random defense of Darthe in the middle of condemnation of Darthe.

Simple error in thinking on my part.

 

When I read the post, it sounded like a really good reason for darthe to be town.

That it outweighed the points against him.

 

I discussed it with Liz, realized what I was thinking didn't make sense, and disregarded it.

[Eldrick4221]

Errors in judgement is kinda my forte'

 

:(

[seph]

Ok so I went back and im trying to give dpr's thoughts a look without being biased here.
assumptions are kizzyclov is scum with notbob
eldrick and me are tied to no her as well.
I am tied through notbobs unvote somehow, and i forget how he tied eldrick to notbob. But I could see eldrick tied to kizzyclov through some posts, though I doubt it still.

Looking back kizzyclov doesn't say much about notbob from what I saw. I recently asked her who whe wanted lynched and get a dpr answer. she says he is mostly town and votes notbob. Now if your arguing they are tied together this could look suspicious as voting a teammate. Get on the train early and doesn't say much until notbob is actually lynched.
 

 

 

mrs clov, who do you and liz want to lynch atm?

I'm pretty willing to vote DPR at the moment.

 

 

 

Ugh. It annoys me but I actually have to think that DPR might be town.

 

[v]NotBob[/v]

 

 

The reason by the way, is that when someone annoys me that much with their stubbornness and keep repeating the same bad logic in a game, they usually turn out to be town.

 

 

Official Vote Count:

Darthe Wade (2): Cass, Eldrick

Miss Kizzy Clov (6): Dice, Darthe, DPR, Crusher, Tiinker, Not Bob

NotBob Cassidy (2): Cuth, Miss Kizzy Clov

Eldrick the Kid (3): Hallia, seph, WiFi


Not Voting: Sooh, Spoof, Kronos

With 16 alive it takes 9 to string em up!

Deadline for D1 is Tuesday, 2/14/17 at 9:00 AM MST

 

kizzy clov was town reading eld so she moves to notbob because she has less options here really.  If you tied them like this I would have agreed.
However saying kizzy is a pr and notbob wanted to save her makes 0 sense. notbob votes makes it a 6-3 wagon with 9 to lynch? It doesn't make sense for a scum notbob to vote a pr kizzyclov if in the end his plan was to save them?


now if you want to tie me to kizzyclov I get it. I tried extremely hard to save them. I tried to get eld lynched and when it didn't work I Went over to notbob because I thought he was scum as well.. plain and simple I did this to try and save lizzyclov because I believe they are town, and the fact you actually think the lead wagon on a day we turn it around and lynch scum, is scum as well is pretty improbable.

It seems like your pushing extremely thin arguments and looks like scum reaching, if I am putting myself in the shoes of others I just cannot understand where your getting your logic.

[Eldrick4221]

Has anyone agreed with his logic?

[Cuth]

 

feel free to AMA about my posts last night encouraging mafia to kill me

 

some of you expressed concern about how nothing'd been said about that

 

i'm happy to discuss it

 

What was the point?

 

meh

 

i want the wolf team to kill me because i'm VT

 

but rubbing that enough in their face to make them wonder if i'm a power role saying it in a provocative way to avoid being killed because they think I'm a VT

 

because i might be a power role

 

but i said i'm just a vt

 

if nothing else it's not a huge waste of my time and makes the scum team think a little more

[Cuth]

The points brought against Darthe are condemning. Among my stated reason, they are why I'm voting there.

 

I also think there's at least one scum hiding in the quiet players. Tink,hally,cass,Spoof. Don't hate lizclov's vote for this reason, but would prefer it on darthe.

 

I don't agree that Dpr is scum hunting. Like I said last night it feels like he's trying to draw attention to his view with storytelling. Stories that don't hold up if you look closely. That his reasoning just doesn't make sense. His main point he's trying to drive home is seph and Lizclov are scum together, and that NotBob sacrifice is to save Lizclov.

 

@DPR I'm confident you're wrong about them. If they do flip town or are viewed town or whatever, what will you think then? Assume for a sec that you already know and tell me what you think.

 

If they do flip scum, I will give your theory more weight.

in twenty words why is darthe scum

[seph]

Ok so I still believe my theory is right. but it is a theory and the only actual facts are that its just odd a wolf unvotes to kill himself and right after we get 3 votes on the wolf train. 2 of which where on the opposite train.

looks like a move to save face imo.

[Eldrick4221]

Horrible reason to be sussing Lizclov D1

Moving from top scum read to lesser read.

TMI about scum team numbers.

[Eldrick4221]

Put work into making it 20 words :P

[Eldrick4221]

Second one isn't my point (obviously) but I agree with it.

[Cuth]

Put work into making it 20 words :P

thanks :3

[Cuth]

i naturally appreciate any and all effort

 

we discussed this last night lol

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

 

Bold:

So order of hydra events:

- Vote Dice

- Discuss Dice vote

- Discuss conferring on Darthe ?

Not necessarily just Darthe just hey let's discuss before we vote, but otherwise you are correct. As you can see from our vote, we agreed to keep it on Dice.

What did you discuss wrt Darthe?

Good pressuring here, cass is town

i would like to once again iterate that, in my experience, pressuring is not a town read

Noticed this on my reread (still working on those NotBob interactions)

 

Who looked bad because of this IYO?

 

Darthe for calling it pressure? Cass for doing what was described as pressure? Or both?

[Cuth]

oh yay you're still efforting from last night

 

i wouldn't say anyone looks bad per se from that interaction, just that the reasoning is flawed

 

i don't think that in and of itself says much of anything about alignment

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

I get asking questions. anyone can do it, and depending on thread flow a wolf can even lead the direction of the thread. I really stopped trying to town read people over that, and focus on the opinions they are forming. I am curious about what you all thing about each individual person, and at the moment who you think is a better lynch besides you and liz. Tbh I don't remember anything scummy from you, but you haven't gave me anything protown. If i missed something i apologize and i promise to look out for you in my reread.

Fair enough, but to be honest I haven't been able to give a lot of people thoughts because I've felt like Liz and I have had to defend ourselves over really stupid and trivial stuff that should have never been a thing.

 

Cass and Eldrick seem fairly town to me at the moment. Cass seems like she's really trying to figure people out, and Eldrick seems to be playing a subdued but similar way to how I saw him as town in our last game together. We spent a lot of time going back and forth with each other that game, and so far I'm getting the vibe that he's trying to reason and hear everyone out. Nothing concrete, but It's what I got so far.

 

If Hallia posts more I'll be able to get a read on her fairly easily, I think. She's probably the person I've played the most with. So far she hasn't done enough for me to feel anything one way or another.

 

Darthe, as I said earlier I think that he just does things for his own amusement. I think this is my 3rd? game with him and I have no clue how to read him.

 

I've never played with DPR, Sooh, Kronos, Cuth, you, Tinker, Spoof, or Crusher so it's going to take me a bit to develop there. I can't remember if I've played with Notbob or not, but I'll go ahead and apply this same thought line to him.

 

 

Finally a starting point. First mention of NotBob.

 

There's nothing to the mention...MrsClov doesn't think she's played with him before...but it's a start.

 

Satisfied with my pages of dredging to get to this point, I'm gonna stop here and get ready to look for actual content later.

[Eldrick4221]

oh yay you're still efforting from last night

 

i wouldn't say anyone looks bad per se from that interaction, just that the reasoning is flawed

 

i don't think that in and of itself says much of anything about alignment

Of course I am. A little concerned that no one else is looking into interactions with him.

[Cuth]

lol

[Cuth]

 

oh yay you're still efforting from last night

 

i wouldn't say anyone looks bad per se from that interaction, just that the reasoning is flawed

 

i don't think that in and of itself says much of anything about alignment

Of course I am. A little concerned that no one else is looking into interactions with him.

 

hm

 

i totally would

 

but i'm lazy

 

/shrug

 

i may tomorrow if you haven't by then

 

was hoping to do it tonight, we'll see

 

i still may but it'd probably be stupid

[Eldrick4221]

orange followed by blue

Btw, my top 2 favorites as well :P

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

oh yay you're still efforting from last night

 

i wouldn't say anyone looks bad per se from that interaction, just that the reasoning is flawed

 

i don't think that in and of itself says much of anything about alignment

Of course I am. A little concerned that no one else is looking into interactions with him.

hm

 

i totally would

 

but i'm lazy

 

/shrug

 

i may tomorrow if you haven't by then

 

was hoping to do it tonight, we'll see

 

i still may but it'd probably be stupid

Who he interacted with has importance. He went after Darthe and me. He also assisted in trying to get Lizclov lynched, but didn't really work at it.

 

He didn't even mention anyone else.

 

These points are useful in figuring out his teammates.

 

Flip side of it is who interacted with him. Who pushed him. Who defended him. Who ignored him.

[Cuth]

 

orange followed by blue

Btw, my top 2 favorites as well :P

 

we share other things in common than being the only people in thread this time of day/night/early morning

 

nice nice

[Cuth]

how much did he go after darthe

[Eldrick4221]

I don't remember. His iso was really short. It was easy to notice how few people he interacted with.

[Eldrick4221]

I know that Darthe pointed out that he hadn't voted him yet and then he did.

 

Pretty sure there was more.

[MrsClov]

how much did he go after darthe

  

I know that Darthe pointed out that he hadn't voted him yet and then he did.

Pretty sure there was more.

He voted Darthe early in his thread entry, and they had what I read as a jokey banter about it.