HeavyHalfMoonBlade
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Never voted for each other in D1 I meant. -
And yet for all this suspicion, Turin has never voted for Zander nor vice versa while both have claimed they were off the menu for D1 and openly discussed options while excluding each other. Meh. And Andy, Cairos and Turin all voted for each other up to end game, daisy chain wolving to avoid attention? I don't buy Turin dropping Cairos (who he pushed all D1) for me for a competing train. Not with his I'll vote Mills if you do first and his refusal to join me on "off the menu" Zander. So I'm left with looking at Turin being bad (mistaken? But this certain, no differential diagnosis, no admission of uncertainty, just full on I know W/W when I see it) at the game or guilty. I don't believe anyone can look at what happened at EoD and be certain of a solve. Plus, the wolves took out Mills, many peoples next favourite target. This cleared the way for Turin's it is obvious that it is Zander and Heavy. Wouldn't be an argument if Mills was still around. Be interesting to note - all these posts point to his suspicion of Zander. Who will he vote for? If me, he is 100% Wolf and so might even Zander be. How can he possible discount Don, Gud, Sooh and Andy with absolute certainty unless he is selling a narrative. Town would not do it. Turin is suspect number one now, must be. There is no way it is as simple as he points out, no matter how big brain his thinking is. But please, other people let's have your thoughts on the situation - the whole thing. Not just reacting to narrative Turin is pushing so hard to the exclusion of everything else (though by all means address it, I am not trying to control) but without rounded thoughts from everyone, this will be impossible. On desktop you can see the post imbalance in this thread. Town need to have their voices heard.
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As I say. Every last one of you is as sus if you had put down on your bio your favourite book was Jack London's Call of the Wild. Let's not hyper focus on the theories of the loudest players.
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Let's also have an honourable mention for Gudrean. She is having difficulty with the game as she doesn't like lyjng or casting shade. This is not my experience at all. I'm stressed to the gills about all the uncertainty, the constant as it seems, bluff or double bluff on every tiny little thing that you read. I'm stressed about the unfair accusations levelled at me I cannot counter. I'm stressed about trying to win arguments that might condemn someone innocent because I'm not as clever as I think I am. Casting unfair suspicion and lying are literally the two things wolves have to do. To go through this nightmare of a game and only focus on a wolf's perspective if you are town, seems a stretch to me. Plus, she reads Don as Town. How? He has said nothing except Turin and Cairos are definitely working together, which seemed a strange take to me. And lastly, "how many wolves are there again? I'm definitely not part of a wolf chat so I forget sometimes this rather crucial and integral part of the game. Oh what a ditzy new player I am. Gosh!" Now these pointers kind of make me a little suspicious. So if Z and Turin could just stop loving the sight of their own text for a bit, it would be really good to hear from everyone else. We all know you are both pushing a narrative for whatever reason, fair or foul, let's let others push theirs.
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Dude this is as sus as I don't know. Replace your name with Zander's, add in you were both reluctant on a mafia and pushing two towns (me and Mills)... And the certainty? Where is your differential diagnosis? Only a wolf is sure. And yes I'm 100% sure Zander is as sus as get out, doesn't mean he is definitely a wolf. Your are making a very strong argument that you are trying to convince everyone of a wolf narrative. If you were only talking about Zander I would probably be believing you, but you are including me while downplaying your reluctance to hammer Cairos (though yeah I get that) or your tactical if I vote for Mills you will too, so when he had flipped town it would have been my fault, you were just being a consument professional with all your jargon of opposing trains. You are too certain, you are definitely wrong on me and you are coming up smelling of wolf. Be interesting to see what people not accused in this narrative think of it.
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I tink it means red peek - as in glimpsed and got red mafia (apparently this is the font used).
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It means that the cop did an investigation and got a mafia result back - so they would know without doubt that that person was mafia. Ithillian helpfully messaged me when I asked in chat above.
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I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and take a chill pill. Things seem awfully heated given that nothing has actually happened. Anyway I'm going to bed. very late here. Could I ask that you guys keep it succinct? Meh. Nevermind. I would ask everyone to give their theory of why Mills was NKd. That isn't as long as a read on everyone, and I think it would help give people a reference to base their suspicions on. Certainly prefer that to everyone shouting and screaming at each other - not least as I just posted the theory that this is exactly what the wolves want. *side-eyes Turin's behaviour again* Anyway good night, see you all in a few hours.
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Well, this has escalated quickly. Must say I feel like joining Zander but that would leave a bad taste in my mouth, lol. Only joking. I want to hear from everyone else. I don't get Turin at all - suddenly he is foaming at the mouth wolf. Is this a double bluff? Act so like a wolf no one will believe you are one? I'm confusion. Thankfully this isn't EoD but holy moly, this is going to be an intense one if this is the start.
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Turin, you were on Cairos all day and then backed off to target to town players and only came back to Cairos once there was no other option. That is not quite the town flex you are claiming. Lets hear your reasoning that I am wolf then. See if you can convince others with arguments rather than insinuations.
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Why are you saying that without hearing from anyone else, or mentioning what you saw at EoD, or answering anything I have said? Totally sus. Either you are wolf or you are playing directly into their hands...bah. Always either/or. How do manage to be more suspicious than Zander in just a few posts? He took hundreds.
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See what I mean? We are bickering while the rest are doing nothing. If they continue to do nothing or if we drown them out, how are we ever going to form a rounded opinion of what is going on?
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I was voting Turin - I found his voting behaviour difficult to follow and sus. No one was willing to even consider voting you, apparently. It could well be that I am having difficulty in separating out annoyance that anyone is voting me when I'm town from more grounded suspicions. Sue me, it was my first EoD ever. And yes, I think it would be unfair to say this outside of the game to ask for ingame advantage.
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Your suspicion of me relates to me lying out of game, about my experience. Personally I would call that cheating - that isn't part of the game. I have not seen very much in reads about my arguments or logic. You just keep coming back to that I, personally, am suspicious. Its weak sauce, it makes you look sus.
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What in the Light are you talking about?
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Here is something to think about. One I think everyone should say why they think Mills was chosen. The wolfies might struggle with the fact that they actually know. Here is a theory. The wolves are among Don/Andy/Gud/Sooh. They know the most suspected people currently are Heavy/Mills/Zander/Turin and Dice to a lesser extent, what makes Mills stand out here? Mills isn't talking crap in chat and getting annoyed with the other vocal people and trying to get votes on them. Take away Mills and you have us lot arguing loudly amongst ourselves and pointing fingers at each other while they can jump on whereever they want. They keep quiet, remove a likely target for lynching and keep giving us rope to hang ourselves with.
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u wat
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This kind of feels like a confession. But when you have time - could you let us know who you suspect? It would help to have your reasoning and perspective in flushing out the lupine nasties.
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Actually on my PC now so jumping to pages is easier - and Zander actually was very vocal about me or Mills in the dying minutes and Cairos literally asked him who to vote for and Zander replied. Which is kind of messed up with everything that has happened since, but I don't really know what to make of it. But definitely feeling Zander wolf vibes, increasingly. VOTE ZANDER Can always change later if circumstances change. Mills is dead Zander, trying to lynch him is probably unnecessary.
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I've read most of it - I think I missed the last page because I miss clicked but I did not really see anything standing out. Most people on Cairos said nothing and stuck. Thing I don't get is Cairos was getting voted - only real other alternatives were me and Mills both town. The only person really agitating for changing to us was you. Dice was saying this is sus, but not really saying anything other than he was staying on target. Zander was sticking with his "he is too good to be a new player, he keeps changing" (though Dice has said that too)... Unless I have missed it, if Dice, Zander you and me are town the wolves did nothing to save Cairos. And Cairos followed your directions in voting just before you pulled the hammer. I've checked what Mills posted, which is next to nothing. He was sus on me for Towniest of Townies, then Cairos, and his only other suspicion was Turin. Either he was taken out randomly (perhaps due to his rl circumstances, a mercy killing there would not reveal anything about the wolves plans), or you did not want him to vote for you, or the wolves want to make it look like that. Or something I haven't thought of. *whistles tunelessly* Which doesn't help at all, so there is that.
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I wasn't expecting Millon. I'm starting to feel increasingly suspicious of the quiet people. But it is difficult to form any suspicions if they don't say anything. Sooh or Gud could easily mafia. They have done little to garner attention. Don's reads seemed a bit off, but he missed a lot, again not a lot to go on. Mills was sus af, but town and dead. RIP. Andy warmed up and made sense, but also was snarky in replies - kind of directly negative without really adding to stuff. But I can follow that - easier to answer directly than comment on the big picture that you cannot see and don't even know which direction it is in. Don't have a clear read. Z appears to 100% wolf. But I am getting the idea that this is his tactic - he is never wolf pretending to be villager, he always acts like a wolf so no one can read him. Turin and Dice both make sense, generally, but also give off sus vibes. But I guess anyone solving does that, to some extent. You need to look between the lines. So I am back to looking squint eyed at Zander. Cannot really think how Cairos can figure into any team. Sooh/Gud make a compelling mafia team but I am not sure then how Cairos would fit in. I'm thinking something like Zander/Sooh, but have nothing to base it on concretely. Why Mills? I can nearly only think to kill any leads... but lots of us suspected him, so...yeah, I dunno. That is my summary. You are all totally suspicious, I haven't got a clue. Looking forward to hearing from everyone else.
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I've been very sus of Mills - though that has been tempered with his real life explanations. But at the end of day he changes his vote from me really early and that sets the scene that it is more or less Cairos or no one as there wasn't a lot of other movement of votes. Which leaves me questioning why a wolf would not wait around a bit. No lynch should not be that much of an issue for the mafia, and why not wait and see if some others change their vote to me. I dunno. Don't have a clear read on it as nearly everything else has seemed very wolfy. Maybe it was a time issue. Dice seemed to be sounding out someone else leading a train on someone else, but it could also have been exactly like he said. I definitely got the read wrong on Cairos and I also kinda felt we were destined to lynch a townie D1 no matter what due to the odds and lack of material. So it is difficult to judge Dice for questioning Cairos wolfness when I was as well. But at the same time, why have such confidence in his vote on Cairos but look so hard for another option. Why both? If he wasn't changing his mind... Why try to change others? But it is definitely plausible. Turin could have put on Mills earlier then he wouldn't have been voting for me but preferring someone else. Zander, acts like a wolf even if he is a townie? So I'm confused on Mills, who I had thought was strong mafia candidate. Still feel like one of Z/Dice/Turin at least is playing us. But the EoD confused me. Everything seemed to change as the deadline approached. It was a real physical wrench when the hammer came down. Was really happy that I had not voted for Cairos and then he was mafia (at first I thought "someone planted a hammer in his room as well, poor guy" before the penny dropped). So I feel very unsure at the moment. Guess I'll need to just see how things develop. Tldr for Zander: Zander is wolfy mcwolf.
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Ah the last paragraph is answering Andy who used the term Godfather while meaning mafioso and Dice was correcting her. Or follow the quote and you'll see the context better.
