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10 hours ago, Terry05 said:
But if the exact same people who say "how do you sleep at night" say it to Sarah as well as Rafe then yeah not sexually motivated.
I'm not sure if even that is a safe assumption. Rafe is the showrunner—he's a natural target for vitriol. Sarah is just a consultant with no executive authority whatsoever—for her to be targeted like this is just absurdly disproportional, given her role. Irrespective of the specific content of harrassing communications, the targeting itself may be driven by underlying weird attitudes towards women.
- ArrylT, ForsakenPotato, Terry05 and 3 others
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Thinking back on how, a few weeks ago, WoT forums everywhere were suddenly and inexplicably overrun with weird dudes making weirdly possessive and creepy comments about SN's hiatus from social media, speculating that she had broken down mentally due to workplace abuse by the hated WoT Stepdad. And it turns out she was—as most normal people expected—just a normal, professional person, with a healthy and active life, taking a break from the incessant deluge of creepy sexist nerdrage pouring out from a very small but extremely busy contingent of the WOT fandom. It's true that this fandom generally has a pretty good reputation for being chill and welcoming, but it's also that the angry incels have gotten an inordinate amount of leeway in recent years—to everyone's detriment. Glad to hear these chodes won't be factored into anyone's decisions about anything, moving forward.
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(alternate balefired title: Wheel of Daddy)In the series, Jordan focuses a lot on portraying male characters' emotional tension or pain in relation to women in their lives—LT and Ilyena, Rand and Kari/Egwene/Elayne/Min/Avi/Ilyena/Every FDM, Perrin and Faile, etc. It appears to be his go-to method for injecting a nice shot of pathos.I read a thread on Reddit where it was pointed out that it's a bit weird that LTT is so fixated on having killed Ileyna while practically never acknowledging his slain children.One plausible explanation for this is that it reflects the much greater salience of women than of children, in Rand's awareness—but LTT doesn't think all that much about his children in the prologue, either. For storytelling purposes, a single named love may be easier to tie together thematically with the other women Rand encounters (Lanfear, his lovers, etc), whereas a dozen unnamed children might be much more difficult. But I think that, rather than reflecting Rand's life, this emphasis on women over children reflects Jordan's own inner world—a greater familiarity with relationships between men and women than with the bonds between parent and child.I think the show is changing this. Instead of focusing on Ilyena, I think they'll focus on the daughter. The parent-child relationship seems to be highlighted throughout the show—Mat and his parents, Rand and Tam, Lews and the baby, Rand and dream-Joiya as well as Rand and Min's maybe-baby, Nynaeve and her dead parents, Lan demonstrating his daddy-chops, Siuan and her dad, Ila and her story about her daughter, etc. I think it's going to be much more effective than Rand's and Perrin's weird chivalry schtick from the books—which might tap into latent shonen-conditioned preferences in young male viewers but might be less appealing to a modern audience that's heterogeneous wrt age and gender. I'd definitely welcome such a change.
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This past week, I've come to realize that many readers view Rand's battle of possibilities with the Dark One as being, primarily, about free will. Typically, this reading appears to be based on Rand's attempt to show a utopia in which there is no evil.I believe that, while the issue of free will is certainly related to the central conflict between the Light and the Shadow, in those scenes, the real issue is conscience. What Rand comes to realize is that the existence of evil—and humanity's awareness of it—is necessary for the existence of a real conscience, that not only enables humans to discern right from wrong, good from evil, but also pushes us to choose right over wrong, to choose good over evil. Those who have been forcibly turned to the Shadow, as well as the people in Shai'tan's vision of Caemlyn, don't simply exhibit the behavior of mindless automatons—they act like people who have no conscience. In Rand's vision of a perfect world, we see that the absence of conscience manifests as a form of evil in and of itself, even in a perfect world—an evil reminiscent of The Dark One.I don't know whether this was Jordan's original intent, but I think it was what Sanderson tried to convey of his take on the philosophical core of the story. In Sanderson's version of WoT, conscience is the essence of the Light, and anathema to the cosmic evil of the Dark One—who would prefer nothingness to a reality with conscience. If you prefer, you can substitute "conscience" for "moral agency", although I think the former may be more in line with Sanderson's worldview. It would be interesting to know what other readers believe to be the central conflict!
- EmreY, UOweTamASword and Terry05
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2 hours ago, Lethira the second said:
WTAF have I just read -sorry, I need to vent! Why on Earth do people think it is acceptable to contact someone and send this sort of abuse. Even the 'mild' stuff is an absolute disgrace.
And that's just what they're doing out in the open! Even without death threats, this sort of sustained, personally targeted—and just absurdly disproportionate—negativity can be incredibly damaging. To then see a bunch of dudes getting all weird about her apparent hiatus from social media, without so much as acknowledging the campaign of harrassment she's been subjected to since the show launched... it just leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. Some of these fans are just so weirdly possessive—not only of the source material but even of people involved with that material.
2 hours ago, Ralph said:Ugh. Just hope the studio & team have got her back.
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On 12/29/2021 at 5:52 PM, DigificWriter said:
I have a feeling that if Sarah Nakamura were to be publicly asked for her unvarnished thoughts on the show, her answer(s) might not be what people who have issues with the show want to hear.
On 12/29/2021 at 5:48 PM, WoTwasThat said:
I imagine she’s in a very difficult spot.On 12/29/2021 at 2:00 PM, TheMountain said:My bad, episode 6 was when she actually went MIA. With Episode 5 she kind of skipped over most of the questions she got (she promised in a tweet to go back and answer them, but she never did). She used to tweet regularly and answer questions, but she hasn't said anything at all since Dec 10th.
On 12/29/2021 at 6:20 PM, WoTwasThat said:Hence drinks at the bar. She's probably one of the biggest book fans on the planet. These changes cannot be what she envisioned or hoped for. Now, she could very well take the approach many supporters have taken here: "I'm just so excited to watch this new turning of the wheel" etc. etc.
If she's quiet on social media for reasons other than family, holiday, physical health, etc, I think this interminable onslaught of nerdrage may have something to do with it.
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7 hours ago, TheMountain said:
She is MIA since episode 5.
First tweet on her feed is the episode 6 watch thread?
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Don't think the diagnosis is accurate, and therefore disagree with implication that core team should be swapped out on the basis of this diagnosis. Rafe's two episodes suffered much more due to outside factors—heavy-handed executive meddling (the 11,000 notes), drastic reduction of episode length, Barney's sudden departure, lockdown regs shanking episode 8. As much as I hated Stepin as a character, Celine's episode was setup for long-term arcs. I think most of the writers have problems with dialogue, and can't really single out anyone as being particularly bad in that respect. Think Rafe and the twins probably have the best handle on where the show's going, and what has to be done to get there—and I think they won't have to deal with as many unexpected shit-sandwiches next season.
Sarah Nakamura's Response to Ep 8 Backlash
in Wheel of Time TV Show
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Her job is to help Rafe, the writers, and the actors map out a reasonable and believable course through a heavily abridged version of a 15-book story cut down to roughly 60 hours. She helps them figure out the repercussions of changes that have to be made for creative or logistic reasons or whatever, or understand characters' insights and motivations. She's not some sort of guardian of the lore like Maria was for Brandon—her job is to help adapt the story.
Actually, no, I expect literate adults to have a better handle on their tempers, to have a better sense of perspective, and to be more well-socialized overall.
I mean, from my perspective, it's weird that you don't see how weird the behaviour you're describing actually is. A bunch of weird dudes went around acting weirdly possessive of not only the books but also of one of the people working on adapting the books, and then they started trying to punish her with (weird) nerdrage because they felt she'd betrayed them. It's really weird behavior, this amalgamation of creepiness and white knighting and disproportionate anger.