I have read a lot of fiction over the years.... It doesn't really matter about gender roles unless you start changing an established work and then rewrite it to suit. Fresh work can write what they want and let the audience decide if it is a success.. But hijacking established work for agenda purposes, well....That is something I must look down upon...Especially when its intentionally done to challenge or antagonise! I mean by all means challenge and antagonise and push your agenda, but do it under your own IP for pity sake, by jumping on anothers work it just shows that you have no faith in your own. It just creates rifts, conflict and ends entire franchisee.

Has Amazon remade any tv shows that it cancelled within the last decade? Truth is that unless someone can match what Amazon paid, Amazon is happy just to have the IP on paper as a stockholding. Given Amazon paid top dollar...Its going to be a few decades.

So you are chuffed to bits that it got cancelled part way?

All of it? No! A fair bit though...Can you honestly say he's sans responsibility? I suspect the largest influence was due to boardroom meetings where constraints/checklists were made because they thought pandering to the latest trends would boost numbers, thus boost profits! Unfortunately though, the groups they pandered to were not numerous enough and the pandering also drove others away. This is more the fault of Amazon executives, though Rafe played his role also. No fan of WoT came out happy from this, things were wrong. I don't see how that can really be argued with. It is what it is.

"Where little existed". Not exactly the same extent as Book vs TV, lets be honest.

Disharmony and division.

Was going to say if they had been argued before the shows release then everyone might have been appeased. But then little was achieved 2nd/3rd season in appeasing both sides. The show created disharmony and division where little existed previously.

As I said, it is what it is, good/bad wasn't part of what I said. But I would say if you haven't viewed both then its rather more tricky to gauge which is more preferable/the better version.

You would think so but...Well so many of the TV fans either didn't like the books anywhere near as much or had not even read them. Just stating facts, it is what it is before anyone has a go.

Why would people hate the show? I really didn't like it to the point I had resentment, but even then I wouldn't waste the energy to hate it, doing that is exhausting! I just voiced I didn't like it and then just didn't watch it...Clearly enough people felt similar to me and not enough felt fans of the show and it got cancelled, same as any other show that could not get the figures required to return a profit. Shame it got cancelled, but no skin off my nose...Does give me vindication of some sort though. What we should ALL HAVE AGREED on from the start is that the show should have been better....But we weren't and we were divided.

I would only say the predictable reasons that aren't popular(to the powers that be) to say. I suspect they knew even before they were told, they could only have felt their days were numbered....I mean getting renewed before the consumer gets to even see the product, when most other shows have to earn another series must seem rather suspicious, especially when you know the show just isn't that good. I feel sorry for the cast.

Perhaps, best not speak about how things are "M" word either though, its another taboo subject best not spoken about, just creates grief, even this may be too much. Think its even against terms and conditions of using the site.

Don't like doing this, it just stirs trouble up that I don't want, so I will redact a few bits and bobs... Posted November 15, 2021 ------ Ahahahhahahahha! No. Thread is Locked. "W" Discussion is done, you've all had an opportunity to vent it out, and we lost a member because of it. Starting Today, any posts that start talking about "W" will be removed/edited. Don't like it, take it up with the other admins.". ......... There are a fair few more examples, I mean many people weren't happy with how the show was going, people were going to be critical...Things like that happen, they WERE NOT well received. Personally I just thought the show wasn't very good.

this is a really bad thing to say. this forum doesn't ban people on opinions Didn't say they did, would have said that specifically if I intended such, sorry but I am just not interested in hurling combative accusations at each other over comparatively insignificant things. I would rather just go.

That is because those that were had been chased off....

Definitely, he was probably the most suited to the role of all the cast in my opinion.

I don't think the showrunners were experienced enough, it seems they were flush with money and spent it so quickly that they had to cutback spending on actually making the show.

Very true, I said something very similar on here before the show even premiered, filming fantasy books as a tv show is incredibly tricky even a movie is difficult. I can't think of many successful ones that I am happy with...And they are based generally on short stories rather than larger stories.... I mean GoT is one I liked and was successful, but even that had room for improvement! Not many others that were not also ruined due to showrunners or boardroom over reach, WoT is just another casualty of that.

Removing the criticism bit rather hamstrings things.... But yes, WoT could work if you stuck to the story...As a film 90 minutes long you could likely cram in a book or three quite comfortably, but you would have to remove 2/3 of the storylines. WoT has say 6-9 main character plot lines going on at the same time and then you need at least one or two antagonist plot lines. Say 8 plot lines that need advancing per episode, thats a mere 6-7 minutes per plot screen time per episode...That is the pace they would have to maintain if they wanted to manage that. It doesn't leave any time for vanity project episodes for instance, or time for anything that isn't in the book.

I think using those measurements would require the removal of weeks, 2.8 weeks to one month seems convoluted to establish a calendar, it would not be an easy thing to keep track of. But it does show I suppose that the protagonists are a year and some older than comparative today a 12yr old there would be 13 here etc, so I suppose that would imply they were in the story just over 19 which would make them just shy of 21 now. Hard to determine when the Males would be considered of age but the Women seem to be considered such at around 23 given the shows rite of passage for Nynaeve is around 25 by today standard. 25 seems rather excessive to be considered adult in such a period unless healing by power was the norm and the average life expectancy was in the 120yrs region.. It just feels off,

I agree...."Generally" though....Respect for elders came from how rare the elderly were, respect gained from surviving for so long... Point is that it all fluctuates depending on situation and how advanced a society has become. It isn't a constant and fluctuates dependent on a great deal of factors, need for example...Look at modern nations losing a war that refuse to surrender, the soldiers get ever younger and younger until its literally children in uniform....Add in generally reduced life expectancy due to limited technology and people are expected to grow up quicker than an era where people can afford to let children be children. What sort of comparative century did you think WoT was set? Not talking about 3-5-10k in the future I am talking about what comparative level of technology to our previous history you think its similar to? Roman seems a bit early, same with the early dark ages, 1200-1500 seems nearer the mark for me, 1600s seem a bit late as do the 1700-1800s..

Yes...My point was that time would be recorded differently...One full day and one full night might not actually be recorded as or even be 24 hours... So a week might not be the equivalent of a week we know, or a month(even if 13) and a year might not be a year. They could be shorter or longer than we anticipate so what passes as a 17 year old there might be a year or two older or younger. But yes, the tone was definitely off for many people, for me Two Rivers was more a region of small villages Tudor in nature whereas the show made it more an American mining camp of the 19th century sans guns/tech, it put me in mind of a grubbier little house on the prairie atmosphere in all honesty.

You have the entirety of recorded human history to look these things up and literal search engines have made it easier than ever to do. Take medieval England for example 13-14 was considered of age for a Woman whilst 21 was for a Man...That was considered "coming of age".. 12 was considered the average age for criminal responsibility as an adult although children younger were treated the same as long as they could tell right from wrong... This is just England that early on adopted a written form of law... Just consider all the places that might not have such stringent regulation. Islam text states its when they show signs of puberty or 15, which ever is first. Judaism texts is 12 for women 13 for men. Early South Americans had been recorded as young as 10 But generally speaking, children became adult as soon as they had shown that they can fend for themselves...So obviously for much of unrecorded human history it would likely be even earlier than 10...

No....It works on the basis of society and the general life expectancy... 300 years ago a child would be considered adult at about 8 or 9....Or some such age... The concept of "childhood" as even being a thing is more a Victorian era creation! Human history is one of violence and grubbiness with short periods of grace heroism and justice...Age is just a creation of a civilisation developed far enough to gauge how they want things to be using a method to count the time that people manage to survive.... In that fictional world who is to say they measured the passing of time the same as we do, the knowledge would have diverged so how they would count a year month week day hour minute or second could be far different, given the ruthlessness and technologically lacking civilisation they have combined with eras of lost history and a population that has both a greatly reduced life expectancy and ones with an extended life expectancy...Who knows the actual ages of those involved the story...17-19 could be todays equivalent of 13-15 or 21-23... I don't seem to recall(been awhiles since I partook in reading) references to days of the week or months...Just spring summer fall and winter. Just something for people to consider. People shouldn't really apply the same morality, laws or even physics of today to a fictional fantasy work set thousands of years in the future after successive global near planet ending events have wiped out virtually all concurrent civilisations.

You like the adaptation, thats fine...Other people didn't like the adaptation, thats also fine. The actual fact of the matter is that not enough people liked the adaptation to maintain a continuation of more than three seasons and many fans of the books didn't like the adaptation to the extent that they are largely stereotyped as being opponents of the adaptation. Right, wrong, belief, emotions, feelings or whatever don't come into facts, they are what they are.. This adaptation didn't appeal to enough people and actually put many fans off. It is what it is...Net result is a lot of unhappy people, unhappy about termination of a show mid telling and unhappy about an adaptation not to many fans tastes with next to no chance of a rebrand.