Knivy
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Would that possibly have to do with the "day that dawns twice"
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How safe will this section of the forums be kept for people who haven't read the prologue/excerpts for the next few months? Just asking because ive fled many threads already that seem to be touching on spoilers..
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Wouldn't the conduit have to be of the power? If the power can remake it, that leads me to think that the power is what makes it. Maybe males are made of saidar and females saidin?
Possibly, that could explain why a woman can heal a man back to full strength but only give another woman back a faction of her original power and vice versa. However it do seam likely that if this is the case that the connection is made up of both sides with a main bulk of it being made up of the opposite side from the gender of the channeler since a woman can heal a female channeler at least partly, and if a woman's connection was pure saidin and vice versa then a channeler should not be able to heal severing in someone of the same gender as them at all.
The Cleansing scene seems to say that Saidin and Saidar repel each other, which then implies that saidar has some sort of attraction to itself. So making a Saidar Conduit out of Saidar would lead to a "clogging" of the flow of the power, while saidin would allow for complete flow.
While I'm not supporting this theory, it could also be that since saidar and saidin repel, all of the saidin channeled through a conduit of saidar makes it to the other side, whereas saidin channeled through a conduit of saidin is permeable, meaning the pipe is leaky, and leaks just go right back to the True Source, while only a much lesser amount makes it across the bridge.
This makes sense.
The only other option i see for healing stilling would be prompting the body to regrow it, much like normal Healing does. The problem with that that I see is that it should be possible without Nyn's skill and normal healing should fix this. Don't we know that you cant heal just one problem with someone, like you cant heal their arm but leave a headache behind?
Everything is fully healed, EXCEPT in the most extreme circumstances such as Mat's healing from the dagger. Where all 10 Aes Sedai with the most powerful women's angreal can not heal everything. Egwene thinks to herself then that she thought healing cured everything, but he still looked almost dead, and his face was thin and gaunt.
Thats because it was taking energy from his body. it was like he had gone weeks without eating. You cant add substance to a person, just fix injuries.
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Wouldn't the conduit have to be of the power? If the power can remake it, that leads me to think that the power is what makes it. Maybe males are made of saidar and females saidin?
Possibly, that could explain why a woman can heal a man back to full strength but only give another woman back a faction of her original power and vice versa. However it do seam likely that if this is the case that the connection is made up of both sides with a main bulk of it being made up of the opposite side from the gender of the channeler since a woman can heal a female channeler at least partly, and if a woman's connection was pure saidin and vice versa then a channeler should not be able to heal severing in someone of the same gender as them at all.
The Cleansing scene seems to say that Saidin and Saidar repel each other, which then implies that saidar has some sort of attraction to itself. So making a Saidar Conduit out of Saidar would lead to a "clogging" of the flow of the power, while saidin would allow for complete flow.
While I'm not supporting this theory, it could also be that since saidar and saidin repel, all of the saidin channeled through a conduit of saidar makes it to the other side, whereas saidin channeled through a conduit of saidin is permeable, meaning the pipe is leaky, and leaks just go right back to the True Source, while only a much lesser amount makes it across the bridge.
This makes sense.
The only other option i see for healing stilling would be prompting the body to regrow it, much like normal Healing does. The problem with that that I see is that it should be possible without Nyn's skill and normal healing should fix this. Don't we know that you cant heal just one problem with someone, like you cant heal their arm but leave a headache behind?
The Cleansing scene seems to say that Saidin and Saidar repel each other, which then implies that saidar has some sort of attraction to itself. So making a Saidar Conduit out of Saidar would lead to a "clogging" of the flow of the power, while saidin would allow for complete flow.I really need to read the books again for there are many details I have forgotten it seams but if I am not mistaken there never was a man healing another severed man was there? So we do not know if that would cause the same incomplete healing as a woman healing a woman.
It might be clogging which is the problem, but I sort of lean more towards the leaky connection theory better, that power is getting drawn but only a small amount actually get to the channeler.
There is a quote that says a man can only be fully healed by a woman, and vice versa, or so Ive been told.
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Wouldn't the conduit have to be of the power? If the power can remake it, that leads me to think that the power is what makes it. Maybe males are made of saidar and females saidin?
Possibly, that could explain why a woman can heal a man back to full strength but only give another woman back a faction of her original power and vice versa. However it do seam likely that if this is the case that the connection is made up of both sides with a main bulk of it being made up of the opposite side from the gender of the channeler since a woman can heal a female channeler at least partly, and if a woman's connection was pure saidin and vice versa then a channeler should not be able to heal severing in someone of the same gender as them at all.
The Cleansing scene seems to say that Saidin and Saidar repel each other, which then implies that saidar has some sort of attraction to itself. So making a Saidar Conduit out of Saidar would lead to a "clogging" of the flow of the power, while saidin would allow for complete flow.
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Wouldn't the conduit have to be of the power? If the power can remake it, that leads me to think that the power is what makes it. Maybe males are made of saidar and females saidin?
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It could be something similar to what happened when the Bowl of Winds was used, the power went funny, and snapped the bond in the same way dying would have. Ter'Angreal can be very dangerous when used improperly, and when one is destroyed, who knows what the effects could be.
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The Ter'angreal drew on Saidin, probably because for effective control of the weather it was best if saidin and saidar were used together. It was made with this in mind so it could be used when only one gender is present.
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Actually it's a misquote. The original saying, according to Frank Muir and Denis Norden, was 'You can't have your kayak and heat it' - as many Inuit know to their cost.
that is true wisdom
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Well, we saw Shaidar Haran do it with Moghedien, so we know it can be done. We don't know why he asked her to close her eyes; I doubt it's necessary for the mechanics, though, so horses not closing their eyes is absolutely irrelevant. More likely he didn't want her to see what he was doing.
this.
EDIT: I doubt fades would do it for a bunch of trollocs, though. So however the Trollocs got to Two Rivers, thats how the horses got their too.
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Ah, thank you :)
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Was it this thread where the lack of shields in combat was discussed?
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Okay, i was wrong :)
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They could, they found the edge with it, didnt they?
EDIT: When did the dreamspike happen? I thought It was in ToM (one of the few i own) and I couldnt find it.
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You can create gateways inside the dreamspike, as long as they dont leave the sphere of influence of said dreamspike, anyway.
EDIT: How would this affect deathgates? If they can be used inside the dreamspike's influence, what happens when they hit the edge?
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I thought it was just done by shadowspawn, and the People were trying to warn about the presence of said shadowspawn. Seems simple enough.
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But then there was Min's hints that she still had a role...
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they are the memories of all the soldiers that ever visited the finns.
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Maybe it was meant to be a red hand?
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Rand also says its impossible when he makes a bridge, something along the lines of "i can only make it this high, any higher would be like trying to fly, impossible"
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you cant make yourself fly with the power.
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Without the taint's madness, would Rand have been able to cope with another man suddenly appearing in his head? I believe the taint shielded him from even greater madness.
Firstly, the taint is not a madness, the taint causes madness. It basically works as a catalyst--this is why we see so many different types of madness, and why we see different time frames in their manifestation. So natural forms of insanity--of which the manifestation of a past life voice is--occur due to exposure to the Taint.
The answer to your question is no, there would have been no difference between what occured to Rand under the Taint than if Lews Therin had manifested naturally. Except that Lews Therin probably wouldn't have maifested naturally without the Taint any more than Morr would have had a reversion to childhood without the Taint.
I didnt mean to say the taint=madness, i meant the madness the taint caused. Sorry, I am not very good at articulating my thoughts, as you probably have learned from the posts i have contributed.
Remembering his previous incarnations isn't what makes the Dragon Reborn special. In other words, Rand's remembering being Lews Therin, and the intermediary steps where he has sporadic access to Lews Therin's memories and experiences Lews Therin's voice, aren't an essential aspect of being the Dragon Reborn. Rand's access of those memories and his experience of hearing the voice of Lews Therin, culminating in his reintegration in Veins of Gold, are manifestations of the Taint. Without the Taint, Rand would not have had the memories, would not have gone mad from the experience of Lews Therin's voice and memories, and would not have the particular epiphany of reintegration with those memories that produced Rand Sedai. He may (and probably would) have required some other kind of epiphany that may have resulted in a personality very like Rand Sedai, but without the memory of all the previous lives he's lived.
In Randland, souls live multiple lives, technically, an infinite number of them. There's plenty of evidence that memories from previous lives "bleed through" to the currently lived one. Typically, these result in feelings of deja vu or spontaneous exclamations with no understanding of the meaning behind them. Occasionally, more robust memories surface, and are sufficiently vivid, compelling and contrary to current experience as to break the mind of the person suffering from them, resulting in multiple personalities or hearing voices. It is this kind of madness the Taint has induced in Rand. Birgitte is the only person to have full awareness of even one of the previous lives lived without having a mental break as a result, and this is because she was thrown untimely from the waiting room for special souls. Souls reborn normally are not supposed to remember their previous lives, even very special souls.
Rand didn't become fully the Dragon Reborn after his epiphany on Dragonmount. He was fully the Dragon Reborn on the day he was born on the slopes of Dragonmount, and has been every day since then. He has always been Lews Therin, and Lews Therin was always Rand. Rand didn't become more "Dragon Rebornish" when he realized this. He just stopped battling with himself. Possessing the memories of the previous Dragon isn't what makes someone the Dragon Reborn, even accepting those memories as one's own isn't what does it. If Rand used some ter'angreal that worked like the Aiel's glass columns and transferred his Lews Therin memories to Moridin, that wouldn't make Moridin the Dragon Reborn, even if Moridin had some sort of identity crisis as a result and integrated the Lews Therin memories with his own personality as a previously lived life.
In short, without the Taint, Rand wouldn't have had Lews Therin's memories and wouldn't have experienced Lews Therin's voice. He wouldn't have needed the particular epiphany of reintegrating those memories with his own personality, but he may still have required some kind of epiphany in order to do the Dragon Reborn's job of resealing the Dark One. But even without the Taint, the memories, the voice and the results of the reintegration, Rand is still, and always has been, the Dragon Reborn.
I believe this.
or might it be a sword form? 
). The original was "eat it and have it too", which (unlike the reverse) isn't chronologically possible.
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I havent read the aMoL stuff, so nope :D