Did Egwene ever meet her toh towards Rhuarc Melaine and Aviendha? She had toh for lying to them, saying she was Aes Sedai when she was only Accepted.

to Melaine, yes. rather, Melaine was too happy about being pregnant and she said that there was no toh (LoC, Ch 52). To Rhuarc, no. I'm still hoping he'll call it in at FOM and give Egwene a much needed dose of humility.

The way I read it, the clouds started thinning before Rand arrived through the Gateway, due to Elayne's weaker cloud breaking ability. When Rand came, they broke instantly. Before that he was somewhere far away and couldn't have been the reason for the thinning If he was already near, Elayne would've sensed him instantly through the bond.

 

When Elayne went to Caihien,the sky was described as overcast at first, which supports the suggestion that her cloud breaking works more slowly.

Good catch! I missed that one. Note however, that it's never mentioned that the clouds break over Cairhien at all after Elayne arrived so this could be read as supporting the idea that Rand's positive influence through the bond has weakened. The description about clouds breaking at FOM is somewhat ambiguous and could be read differently as was discussed above. We don't know that clouds break for Rand absolutely instantly. It could take a few moments which is consistent with that description. Or he might be affecting the place via an open gateway while still on the other side.

But your and Master Ablar's explanation is certainly a possibility.

When Elayne arrives at the field of Merrilor at the end of ToM the clouds don't break there. They only break when Rand shows up. Are the effects on his girls through the bond wearing off?

 

Well she only just got there so there may not have been enough time for them to break. Rand's effect is probably stronger which is why they immediatly broke. I think they were described as on the verge of breaking right before Rand arrived anyway.

 

hmm, it was never mentioned earlier that it takes a long time for clouds to break over Rand's girls but perhaps that's it. However, the part about the clouds almost breaking I think is related to Rand's arrival not Elayne's presence. At least that's how I read it. Here is the quote

Egwene stood back, for now. Once she stepped forward, Elayne would have to kiss her ring and the entire procession would bow; that would spoil Gawyn's moment. As she waited, the clouds above grew thinner.

Suddenly they split, the dark thunderheads pulling back. The sky became an open field of blue, a deep, pure expanse. Elayne's eyes opened wide, and she turned on her horse, looking at Perrin's section of camp.

ToM, Ch 56

But perhaps there is enough ambiguity here to make your explanation plausible...

Or maybe Egwene was negating Elayne's effect(joking,joking).

now, that can be!

When Elayne arrives at the field of Merrilor at the end of ToM the clouds don't break there. They only break when Rand shows up. Are the effects on his girls through the bond wearing off?

I'm only half-way through the TOM, but I would like to know why Egwene hasn't asked Rand why the Seals have to be destroyed? The others haven't asked either, but she is plotting against him by usurping his rule with the monarchs of the realm. It would seem to me that she should've. After the way she maneuvered the Hall with the army/monarch thing I found myself disappointed that it never occurred to her to find out why he wants to destroy the seals.

This has been discussed to death in various Egwene bashing threads. I'm sure you've seen those. You won't find any answers in the book. Yes, she should have asked but Rand should have also explained his reasons better. He did with Nynaeve and she agreed. This was simply needed for correct plot development. That's usually the explanation when characters start behaving too irrationally.

Were potatoes mentioned in WoT prior to the Sanderson entries?

 

I know that LOTR fans over the years have debated the merit of having not only potatoes but tomatoes and corn mentioned and consumed in Middle Earth when all three vegetables were discovered in the New World after the 15th century. In other words, if LOTR were truly intended to be a pre-history of England then there would be no po-ta-toes or lovely chips. I know WoT is not a prehistory or set in medieval times but it did seem like RJ took care to include food stuffs that were inherently medieval European - turnips, barley, porridge, etc. and not potatoes or corn.

This is an interesting observation but potatoes have been mentioned on numerous occasions starting with tEoTW. Presumably RJ did that intentionally. I don't know if he ever discussed his rationale anywhere.

was looking in WH's where the source is cleansed. first off you guys are right there is no mention of a wind screaming except when referring to the Choedan Kal's destruction.

 

but i have a new question. i can't recall if we have seen Moggy after this book; i certaintly don't remember her appearing in tGS or ToM. was she killed at this point? the discription RJ gives us is like she's been sucked into a black hole,

 

She is present at the Forsaken meeting in KoD, Ch 3 and is mentioned in tGS, prologue as trying to kill Mat and Perrin and organizing darkfriends in the south.

 

 

 

10. Well, to the second part, Shadowspawn cannot enter gateways (which is what egwene used, or at least a type of it) so not that way. As to the first part, thats a damn good quesiton, someone should ask Brandon.

 

 

what about Slayer, isn't he techinically Shadowspawn?? like a Fade or Greyman is technically Shadowspawn.

 

and i would think, that if a gateway was made directly into TAR, nothing would stop a horde of Trollocs being driven into TAR either. i just don't think its very logical to do this; as it would be really easy to both defeat and control them in TAR and woud just waste the DO's resources.

It's not a matter of being shadowspawn but of being artificial constructs. Artificial constructs (as Trollocs or Fades) can not pass through gateways with an exception of gholam (which seems to be a higher level construct according to BS). That includes constructs such as Nym according to RJ.

Q: Why can't Shadowspawn pass through gateways?

RJ: It's because they're artificial constructs. They can't tolerate the passage.

Q: So would a Nym have the same problem?

RJ: Yes.

Q: How about Ogier?

RJ: No. Ogier are not artificial constructs.

Trollocs would not survive any gateways presumably including those into TAR, else that trick would have been used long ago by the Forsaken.

Where is Min? is she the one taking the photo?

She isn't a supergirl per se, and that paintings is exclusively of superkids.

 

How did Fain know that the banner over Turak's residence was that of Luthair Paendrag (TGG, Ch 34)?

Mordeth was trapped in SL a thousand years before Hawkwing's time.

A very good question, but news could still reach SL.

I don't think Mordeth held long talks on heraldic with travelers who stopped by in SL. Also, my understanding was that if he could trap some travelers then he could have gotten out of SL a long time ago. so I'm not sure how any news at all could reach SL.

 

Also, this piece of knowledge could've come from Fain's own life. After all, he was buddies with Ishamael for some time.

 

I don't see Ishy holding history classes with Fain on subjects not related to his main task. And Fain himself was a simple peddler. This was apparently not a piece of info common people would know.

Turak mentions this

Fain tried to make his voice convincing. Patient, like a worm boring from within. “High Lord, my family has passed down a tradition, generation upon generation. We served the High King, Artur Paendrag Tanreall, and when he was murdered by the witches of Tar Valon, we did not abandon our oaths. When others warred and tore apart what Artur Hawkwing had made, we held to our swearing, and suffered for it, but held to it still. This is our tradition, High Lord, handed father to son, and mother to daughter, down all the years since the High King was murdered. That we await the return of the armies Artur Hawkwing sent across the Aryth Ocean, that we await the return of Artur Hawkwing’s blood to destroy the White Tower and take back what was the High King’s. And when the Hawkwing’s blood returns, we will serve and advise, as we did for the High King. High Lord, except for its border, the banner that flies over this roof is the banner of Luthair, the son Artur Paendrag Tanreall sent with his armies across the ocean.” Fain dropped to his knees, giving a good imitation of being overwhelmed. “High Lord, I wish only to serve and advise the blood of the High King.”

 

Turak was silent so long that Fain began to wonder if he needed further convincing; he was ready with more, as much as was required. Finally, though, the High Lord spoke. “You seem to know what none, neither the high nor the low, has spoken since sighting this land. The people here speak it as one rumor among ten, but you know. I can see it in your eyes, hear it in your voice".

-TGH, Ch 34

Fain seems highly knowledgeable about Hawkwings's history. Early in the scene he mentions questioning some locals about the Seanchan so he could have found out the general story of the Return from them but Turak says that Fain knows things nobody else does. I assumed he meant the thing about the banner.

How did Fain know that the banner over Turak's residence was that of Luthair Paendrag (TGG, Ch 34)?

Mordeth was trapped in SL a thousand years before Hawkwing's time.

In a chapter about the bowl of winds the chapter icon is two bowl shaped things with a ribbon connecting them. Perhaps there are two? One with sea folk and one in the wt still?

which chapter would that be? the bowl is mentioned in several. Do you mean CoS, Ch 38 when they retrieve the bowl? I don't think that icon looks like two bowls. But in any case I don't believe there would be a place for a second bowl in the story. There are only a few days left till the end. There would be no time to use the bowl to any effect before the LB is over and no need to do so after.

"I'm not hiding exactly," he said. "At least, just until I kill some men who need killing." Light, he was as matter of fact about it as Alivia! Why did he and Lan keep eyeing one another and pretending they were not? "Anyway, how could Egwene help?" he went on, setting the scrip on the table. It made a soft but solid sound of weight inside. "I suppose she's Aes Sedai, too?" He sounded amused! "Is she here, as well? You three, and two real Aes Sedai. Only two! No. I don't have time for that. I need you to keep something until—"

 

"Egwene is the Amyrlin Seat, you fool woolhead," she growled.

we also have a later reference that he knew that Egwene was besieging Tar Valon. in KoD he sent Merise to Egwene to offer to bond Asha'man. But it doesn't look like he knew that she was captured. At least I can't recall any references to that.

New Question after a quick first time reading: At the beginning of ToM, how did Rand know Egwene was Amyrlin?

good question. I don't think that's ever made clear. Perhaps he didn't really know. He knew that Egwene was besieging Tar Valon. I don't think he knew that she was captured, did he? He may have simply assumed that she would be outside Tar Valon and he could talk to her there. Once he arrvied into the city he would have quickly found out what happened.

Also how did he recognize Siuan? No one else could recognize her (post-stilling).

The same way he recognized Lanfear at the end of ToM. The new Rand can see souls so once he looked into Siuan's eyes he recognized her soul.

do we have any idea why the shadow stopped trying to send egwene and co far away from rand? or is just failing once enough to completely make hte shadow give up

I don't think we know the answer to this. Nor do we know why Ishy was trying to get them away from Rand in the first place. He seemed to know something about their future importance to Rand but how did he know it? His big book of secret prophecies? those don't usually mention people by names and are pretty hard to interpret. The only prophecy that I can recall that mentioned any specific names was the secret borderlander prophecy.

It might also be that Ishy is/was a Dreamer himself or that he could foretell. There has been lots of speculation about this on the forum.

yes, but Egwene found Amys in the Waste by only idly thinking about finding some Wise Ones.

That's not Need so much as a matter of unconscious thought, I think - like the changing clothes.

hmm, you may be right. but wouldn't this make it possible for anybody to easily find anybody else?

Not if Egwene simply shifted to the Waste and happened to land where Amys was playing with her spears. That would simply make it a fortunate coincidence, which happens a lot when the superboys/girls are concerned.

Egwene did it twice and landed in front of Amys both times. That was not a coincidence.

I think Moridin and Lanfear and Moghedien might be able to do this to some extent - maybe - but I don't think the Wise Ones can - that's more similar to following the trail like Perrin does.

sorry, do you mean that the Wise Ones use something like Perrin's smelling trick and the Forsaken use something else, like what Birgitte has described? That's sounds a bit too complicated to me. Also, could Amys track Egwene in Tanchico using need? that's how Egwene found her in the Waste after all.

You can only track people using Need if you really Need to find them, probably. We've never seen anyone do it, but it should theoretically be quite possible if the need is strong enough.

yes, but Egwene found Amys in the Waste by only idly thinking about finding some Wise Ones.

That's not Need so much as a matter of unconscious thought, I think - like the changing clothes.

hmm, you may be right. but wouldn't this make it possible for anybody to easily find anybody else?

 

but do you have a quote about Birgitte talking about this? You said she mentioned something about her ability somewhere.

Here you go:

 

"Try to find out, Birgitte; as much as you can safely, at any rate. Do not take any risks." The other woman's face did not change, but Nynaeve thought she was amused; the fool woman thought as little of danger as did Lan. She wished she could ask about the White Tower, about what Siuan might be scheming, but Birgitte could neither see nor touch the waking world unless she was called there by the Horn. You are just trying to avoid what you really want to ask! "Have you seen Moghedien?"

 

"No," Birgitte sighed, "but not for lack of trying. In the usual course I can find anyone who knows they are in the World of Dreams; there is a feel, like ripples spreading through the air from them. Or perhaps from their awareness; I do not know, really. I am a soldier, not a scholar. Either she has not come into Tel'aran'rhiod since you defeated her, or..." She hesitated, and Nynaeve wanted to stop her from saying what she knew would come next, but Birgitte was too strong to dodge unpalatable possibilities. "Or else she knows I have been looking for her. She can hide, that one. She is not called the Spider for nothing." That was what a moghedien had been, in the Age of Legends; a tiny spider that spun its webs in secret places, its bite poisonous enough to kill in heartbeats.

If the Forsaken don't bother to hide most of the time, then it seems unlikely the Wise Ones can do this.

thanks for the quote. yes, it's an interesting one. it's not clear if the Wise Ones can do this or not - they certainly never mentioned that onscreen. I also find it interesting that Slayer, who is a pro in TAR, apparently can't do it either. He was certainly greatly surprised when Perrin was able to follow him.

Like when they are all camping together. I used to chalk this up to Moiriane saying that she can extend "her protection" when they're close to her but some recent arguments and theories seem to discount this being possible.

The rats for example were killed all over the Inn.

 

 

Did Moiraine ever claim that she could shield dreams of those near her? I can't recall that. I would consider it unlikely too given what happens later in the books. Even if she said that she might just be wrong. She didn't know much about TAR and Dreams.

 

Also, I'm confused about the rats in the Inn. What is the issue there? I though Ishy just killed them in TAR and that was that.

 

Moiraine does say she can help with their dreams, as long as they are close to her. In EotW chpt 42 she first mentions that she can at least help and later in chpt 48 all the boys sleep close to Moiraine to shield their dreams.

I'm not sure if Moiraine actually believes she can shield their dreams with proximity or it was just a ploy to keep them close to her.

I suspect Moiraine was simply wrong about being able to protect their dreams. She definitely does nothing of the kind for Rand in TSR even when she knows that Rand's dreams might be in danger. When Seana is killed in the attack at Cold Rocks (TSR, Ch 50) while guarding Rand's dreams, Moiraine is not anywhere around.

 

As for the rats in the Inn (and it was the Stag and Lion in Baerlon not Caemlyn), Rand wakes after the dream and goes down to the kitchen to get something to eat and Master Fitch is complaining to Sara, the cook, about her cat, leaving rats with broken backs all over the Inn.

 

I might be dense but I still don't see what the issue there is. The rats are not domesticated so when they sleep they end up in TAR. Ishy could kill any number of them anywhere in TAR including all over that Inn. He could even take some of the rats along when he broke into Rand's dream (if that's what he did) and kill them there.

BS never said specifically there was a male Dreamer, what he said was that there was a male that could tell the future.

Add in Moridin's book of Dark Prophecies....hmmmmm.

I was mostly talking about being a dremwalker, not a dreamer. Ishy is a good candidate for that one. He is very good in TAR and seems to be able to either break into other people dreams or pull them into TAR. either one makes him a dreamwalker I would think.

as for him being a Dreamer, there was a long discussion about it a while back. i didn't really follow it so I can't say much. he does seem to be pretty well informed about the future. it could be his secret book of prophecies, or he might be able to foretell as you suggest. or he may be a Dreamer. i do find it interesting that he apparently knew that Egwene and Nynaeve were important to Rand's future when he ordred them kidnapped (I think it was him) and taken to Seanchan in TGH. He taunts Rand about it

“They will not save you,” Ba’alzamon said. “Those who might save you will be carried far across the Aryth Ocean. If ever you see them again, they will be collared slaves, and they will destroy you for their new masters.”

-TGH, Ch 47

what exactly does he know about Egwene and Nynaeve possibly saving Rand (and how does he know it)? I've seen a number of theories about Nynaeve's future role in saving Rand but nothing about Egwene's so far as I can recall.

I think Moridin and Lanfear and Moghedien might be able to do this to some extent - maybe - but I don't think the Wise Ones can - that's more similar to following the trail like Perrin does.

sorry, do you mean that the Wise Ones use something like Perrin's smelling trick and the Forsaken use something else, like what Birgitte has described? That's sounds a bit too complicated to me. Also, could Amys track Egwene in Tanchico using need? that's how Egwene found her in the Waste after all.

You can only track people using Need if you really Need to find them, probably. We've never seen anyone do it, but it should theoretically be quite possible if the need is strong enough.

yes, but Egwene found Amys in the Waste by only idly thinking about finding some Wise Ones. I guess one could argue that she really Needed Wise Ones to teach her even if she didn't realize the degree of her Need herself.

Birgitte's ability doesn't require that she be in the presence of a person when they disappear to find them, so it seems to be a different ability altogether, or perhaps Birgitte's ability was just a perfected version of the method used by Perrin. Hopper is much better at finding Perrin than Perrin is at finding Hopper - in fact, Perrin wonders how Hopper can find him near the end of TOM (without a trail to follow).

ah, that's a good point about Birgitte. but do you have a quote about Birgitte talking about this? You said she mentioned something about her ability somewhere.

Like when they are all camping together. I used to chalk this up to Moiriane saying that she can extend "her protection" when they're close to her but some recent arguments and theories seem to discount this being possible.

The rats for example were killed all over the Inn.

 

 

Did Moiraine ever claim that she could shield dreams of those near her? I can't recall that. I would consider it unlikely too given what happens later in the books. Even if she said that she might just be wrong. She didn't know much about TAR and Dreams.

Also, I'm confused about the rats in the Inn. What is the issue there? I though Ishy just killed them in TAR and that was that.

I forget some of the details about this, but I believe it happened in TSR. Egwene is a n00b in tel'aran'rhiod, ends up jumping to the Waste and being spotted by Amys before jumping back to (I believe) Tanchico. Amys is somehow able to follow her without knowing where she was going. This seems a lot like Perrin's trick of smelling where a wolf is going, but as far as I know, the Wise Ones never knew this trick. Or was it that they were just not teaching Egwene everything?

Birgitte talked about it - she said it was something like a feel of ripples whenever someone was in Tel'aran'rhiod knowingly.

I don't remember this. Do you have a quote?

 

I think Moridin and Lanfear and Moghedien might be able to do this to some extent - maybe - but I don't think the Wise Ones can - that's more similar to following the trail like Perrin does.

sorry, do you mean that the Wise Ones use something like Perrin's smelling trick and the Forsaken use something else, like what Birgitte has described? That's sounds a bit too complicated to me. Also, could Amys track Egwene in Tanchico using need? that's how Egwene found her in the Waste after all.

Wait, so do you mean Rand was in fact still in the Dream when he saw the burn marks, or that the TP somehow facilitated Ishamael's affecting the waking world from it?

To me the simplest answer is early-book-ism.

 

I always wondered about some of these occurrences (rats with broken backs in Baerlon among others) myself until Aran'gar mentions that he/she has to be in close proximity to find Egwene's dreams.

I don't think Ishamael is a Dreamer (I think he has a strong talent in Foretelling though but that's another story as it were ) and needed to also be close to Rand, Mat and Perrin to enter their dreams.

Why not a dreamer or at least a dreamwalker? BS hinted that some male character might have been one and Ishy is a good candidate. It's pretty clear that some Forsaken at least are dreamwalkers. Moggy and Lanfear are almost certainly, Lanfear speaks of breaking into Rand's dream past his wards. I seriously doubt any but a dreamwalker would ever be capable of that.

BTW, it's certainly would be strange if all Forsaken were dreamwalkers. Yet they all can enter TAR. How are they doing it if they are not dreamwalkers? I guess they could be entering Tar in flesh via gateways but we have several examples to the contrary (Moggy in Salidar and Mesaana in the Tower in ToM). I took this to mean that entering TAR can actually be taught (Demandred mentions teaching dream ter'angreal once). Avi mentioned that she was able to enter TAR with the help of a Wise One. I suspect this was different from a Wise One pulling Avi into TAR as they don't approve of such practice. Perhaps even finding dreams of others can be taught to an extent (which is how Aran'gar does it with Egwene) even though Egwene doesn't think it's possible. Perhaps some Forsaken are just better at this than others. Aran'gar might not be very good but it seems that Ishy is quite good (or he is even a dreamwalker) and doesn't need to be physically close to people to find their dreams.

anyway, this is getting far afield. perhaps a separate thread is in order.

I was trying to think of a time when Ishamael came to the boys in their dreams when they weren't alone

There is one instance in tEoTW when Rand is watching Mat:

Mat was tossing and twisting on his bed, groaning in his sleep. “ . . . deny you, deny you, deny you . . . ” It faded off into unintelligible moans.

 

Rand reached out to shake him awake, and at the first touch Mat sat up with a strangled grunt. For a minute Mat stared around wildly, then drew a long, shuddering breath and dropped his head into his hands. Abruptly he twisted around, digging under his pillow, then sank back clutching the ruby-hilted dagger in both hands on his chest. He turned his head to look at Rand, his face hidden in shadow. “He’s back, Rand.”

 

-tEoTW, Ch 43

 

 

Actually, I had this discussion with a friend of mine who was a linguist quite a number of years ago, and I expressed the same ideas you are, but apparently its not as difficult as one might think. Randlandish is not a foreign language to an AoL'er, but rather a descendent language. One which the syntax and grammar of is much much simpler, and based largely on that of the Old Tongue.

 

So a lot of what takes time in learning a language, they already had--and the basis leant itself to an instinctive understanding of the heart of the language. My linguist friend didn't have huge problems with the whole concept.

 

well, I don't know. Did you tell your friend that we are talking about a period of three thousand years? I'm not a linguist but I have a hard time imagining much of any language surviving over three thousand years to remain recognizable. I've read an old Russian text from 12th century and it's basically incomprehensible. and that is only 900 years ago. same goes for English. Try reading Chaucer in Middle English some time, see how easy that is. Out of curiosity I just tried reading the Song of Nibelungs in Middle High German and it's a really tough going too, although I find it to be somewhat closer to modern German than the Russian and English examples I mentioned. But if you go back 3 thousand years none of those languages will be recognizable (or even exist) at all. The only language I can think of that survived that long in any form is Greek but since I don't speak it I can't say how much different it is from modern Greek.

But we also have in-story references to Old Tongue being very different from the current Randlands language. when Mat spouts Old Tongue those around him are usually clueless except for some nobles who had old tongue lessons and can understand a word or two. I think the explanations RJ gave simply reflect the fact that this was an aspect of the story that he didn't think through very carefully in the beginning and then it was too late to fix it. I can live with that.

There aren't dozens of nations the Dragon was born to. Asmodean may not be the most saavy Forsaken, but it doesn't take a manipulative genuis to make the connection.

 

As a side note--how is it a Dues ex Machina? I mean even say Asmodean knowing a song from Manetheren was a mistake on RJ's part, how would that constitute an act of God coming down in a bid to complete the narrative? It solved no convuluted plot points, so why do you name it so?

It might not be Deus ex machina but it certainly stretches believability. I agree with Atsnok on that. The whole idea that the Forsaken could even learn to speak the current language so quickly in pretty ridiculous IMO. RJ said that the language of Randlands is very easy to learn. I don't care how easy it is, they can't learn it that fast, learn various stories and the politics of the current world and speak without an accent too. Balthamel and Aginor seem to have only just been freed and yet they speak perfectly. Lanfear shows up early in TGH and yet she speaks perfectly too, presumably with a Cairhienin accent. Nobody suspects her of being a foreigner, certainly. Hurin quickly identifies the innkeeper at Foregate as a foreigner by her accent yet he never suspects "lady Selene" of being one.

"gritted his/her teeth".

BS likes it especially. 36 instances in tGS alone.

It would be some time before I read Towers of Midnight. Waiting for the paperback version.

 

Like I implied in most recent post, the chapter reference seems wrong.

 

I was actually asking for the passages of both exits and/or of both enterings; not necessarily whole chapter/chapters.

sorry, that was the wrong chapter number. we don't see Avi entering the columns. this happens off-screen. she exists at the beginning of Chapter 48 (I gave you the first line of that Chapter). She then reprograms the columns, enters again and spends the rest of Chapter 48 and the whole chapter 49 passing through the columns the second time and seeing the future.

From looking through the Towers of Midnight pages of Encyclopaedia, these are the POVs for chapter 51::

-Min

-Cadsuane

 

And just one sentence could indicate almost anything.

I don't want to reprint the whole chapter. just read the book and you'll see. Avi spends quite a long time with the glass pillars there. she even reprograms them to show the future instead of the past.

Aviendha actually went through Rhuidean's 3-Ring terangreal, not the glass columns.

Both of those I take to be a 1-time thing for all that can go through.

She went through the rings on her first trip to Rhuidean in tSR. on her second trip she definitely went through the columns (twice).

Towers of Midnight spoilers I take are not yet allowed in this section. I do not yet have the book; waiting for the paperback version.

I would guess it was one or more of these::

-there being a flash back like the set of chapters in Eye of World

-the women being shown more than men

-you misreading the passage/passages

Probably reply through private messaging or wait till spoilers are allowed.

ToM spoilers are already allowed here. this was changed a couple of days ago. Avi absolutely went through the columns on her second trip. this is mentioned quite explicitly and several times.

Aviendha took one final step and was out of the forest of glass pillars.

-ToM, Ch 51

this is actually mentioned as early as in tSR.

White-haired Bair, leathery-faced and as reluctant to speak of Rhuidean as ever, had finally, unwillingly told him that Aviendha had not visited the glass columns: she would not do that until she was ready to become a Wise One.

-tSR, Ch 48

Aviendha actually went through Rhuidean's 3-Ring terangreal, not the glass columns.

Both of those I take to be a 1-time thing for all that can go through.

She went through the rings on her first trip to Rhuidean in tSR. on her second trip she definitely went through the columns (twice).