@crusader i wouldnt say the 3rd is actually a power... its just the influence a t'averin has over the way the pattern is weaved... and the way rand said it "it blocks the one power, and the one power only" would imply that the one power is blocked, but i dont see how that could block the t'averin influence on the pattern...and by "and the one power only" would imply the use of another power, not the t'averin influence...

rand may have a well, but ive yet to see any evidence for this... unless he made one out of one of the items he commonly carries... but we've never seen him have any skill in that area...

using the TP is the only viable way that i see... in both the wording, and history... assuming rand still has the ability to use the TP, via his connection with moridin... and as that connection hasnt been severed(yet) he would still have access to it at that point in time.

and remember... that the characters in WoT dont know everything... we've heard lews say "its him[]the DO]" about the TP, but then, lews only had very limited access to it... we dont know for certain if that is true...

@gholam thats a fun theory... and it makes sense too :) when rand was fighting in TAR in tear... he almost swapped bodies with lews... its a fun theory that luc+isam are the same way... changing at will in TAR...

well... just because a male starts to channel, doesnt mean they continue... as i understand it, as soon as the male aiel found out they could channel, they went to the blight... they may just not have the skills... whereas they grew up with the spear inhand...

it may be a new creation... but something makes me doubt it... it wouldnt fit in with the story line imo...

@metalhead think... if a child of a maiden is hidden so well that nobody knows the mother, is sulin was a daughter of tigraine, even she wouldnt know of that connection... but, if she was a daughter of tigraines sister-wife... and she was not a maiden... sulin would know the mother, and where she went... it would then be an easy jump from mother to child...

sulin is probably rands sister, according to aiel custom... even though she was from a different mother :) if sulin was a daughter of tigraine, she would have been hidden like every other child of a maiden...

only solution i know of, is that sulin's mother, was sister-wife of tigraine, and she, was not a maiden...

@metalhead yea, i remember that scene with sulin, right before dumais wells... and, having a sister wife, im pretty sure the children of both wives were considered first siblings... its equally possible that tigraine had both rand and sulin, but something tells me that there was a sister-wife involved... one who wasnt a maiden... else, how would sulin know? the children of a maiden are secreted away from the mother and hidden so none would know child it was... but if sulin grew up with her mother, and sister-mother(?) she would have known about her connection with rand(even if she thought them both dead)...

@the falling gholam, i believe, theyre the male challener aiel, who went to "fight the dark one" in the blight, got captured, and then turned by the 13+13... but thats just me... hard to tell what exactly they are yet...

@metalhead odd how you say you got haters with both of those theories... cuz id say youre probably right on both accounts... well... more likely that sulin is rands half sister... same father, different mother...

and when rand went to the borderlanders, he implied that he can now channel the true power at will... tho he is highly reserved from doing so...

@megazerox we did... of him killing the worms for fun...

right! :) ty :)

still an interesting theory :) either way... i think fein will be in the prison come the end of the next book :)

@metalhead thats actually a great theory... that the two will be sealed away together... much like how the ashaman sealed the wounds away within rand... who did that healing btw?

both the DO and fain are neither... in the pattern persay... but neither are they outside the pattern either, unlike the creator... there are many similarities between the two...

well... i dunno about that millon... RJ said there is no end to the turning of the wheel... this turning cannot be the end...

tho, to my eyes... and for many of the same reasons as in this theory... fain is like, a young dark one... sworn to destroy the world, focused on rand(as the previous was focused on lews... hence why the DO always calls him by that name), headed to SG... not to mention that rand has already said he was trying to kill the DO...

how do you fix the cell while the DO is coming out? you pull it out, kill it, stuff something smaller(fain) in, and then reseal it...

well... with mat's wish to the finn for the medallion, he wanted to "be free of aes sedai"... but, the aes sedai are not the ones to channel the true power, i do not see why the medallion would block the true power... not to say that it cant... but that it wouldnt wish-wise... so... moridin vs mat, what happens when a warrior fought a channeler... can someone say, dumais wells?

i only have one reservation which would determine the winner of moridin vs mat fight... and thats if mat's medallion also blocks the true power... if yes, mat, easy win... if not, moridin, easy win...

i dont to admit it... but the art makes me think its a pirate book... very misleading and un-appealing...

@urbaba61 not currently :) mat is kicking lans tail

@jack yea... its kinda unfair for him to be on the channeling side(meh, ill just stand here and kill a hundred thousand trollocs with the wave of a hand, after showing up at the white tower, and i coulda broke through 2 circles of 13's shields if i wanted too), and theres no logical reason to put him on the non-channeling side...

to my mind... rand is the pinnacle of power wielders, mat the pinnacle of fleshy fighters, perrins the pinnacle(or soon to be) of TAR controllers...

in my opinion... having the three in there is an easy win(oh look, mats in there)...

1. Nyneave

2. lanfear(if she can go to TAR)

3. Logain

4. aviendha

@gaijin, yea... lanfear will prolly die during or after TG... she wouldnt last it long...

not to mention, that the DO can only reincarnate the threads he can catch immediately at death... any amount of balefire puts it completely out of his reach.

the only one who has any real ability to reincarnate, is the creator... spinning threads at its will... and yea, i dont see rand surviving the last battle... in aviendha's vision in rhuidean, they said that rand just "walked away" and never being seen again... i assume this meaning him walking through a gateway into TAR to seal the bore, and dieng in the attempt(or success)... then being reborn in TaR as the "true dragon", having ALL memories from ALL lives past(like brigetta had)... i dont see rand coming back from that death...

then... ask in a week and id probably be in the other camp...

yea... i dont think healing death is possible... it would be akin to adding a thread back into the pattern after it was removed... i dont see the ability for this, beyond the creator's will...

as for rands "die and live again", i believe rand will die, and live again in TaR... not dieng and living again in the waking world...

@theodril i agree that perrin may kill isam... tho, i think if he has any chance, he has to enter in the flesh, like isam does... so they'd have an equal footing... perrin and a pack couldnt take isam... i dont see how perrin would be able to take him down alone any other way...

and remember... lanfear is also a master of the world of dreams... and, she's the one that made the bore, if she's coming back to the light, she'd be the best one to give rand the key to sealing it right :)

@metalhead... i dunno about aviendha's death... she's yet to have her children... and, as it has been mentioned, the easiest way of preventing what the children do, is to not have them, not to die... tho... from avi's future walk, the children were stuffed up, but, did they really cause the banishment of the aiel? no... i dont see how her death or celibacy would change that future we saw...

the problem was, that the aiel wernt included in the peace of the seanchan... THAT is what she has to fix... the aiel are loosing their purpose... rand has to give them a new one...

tho id say if perrin dies, it will happen after the resealing... i see the sealing as the tipping point for the light... not the end of TG...

gotta say, i disagree almost completely... i highly doubt min, perrin&faile will survive... lan and nyaneve are 50% to my mind, tho, if one dies, both probably will...

after all those debates we started over theories, didnt even make the list *sigh* how sad :(