why he is not more aggressive against Siuan?

Did he know who she was? I don't recall that.

They were charged with preserving the existing order (or rather, reestablishing it), and had the least freedom of initiative than anyone else in the Salidar Hall save Delana and Sheriam (and possibly Moria, we don't know). Therefore they fall back to old-guard AS-thinking, were the others evolve more freely with circumstances.

Makes sense to me, at least.

I think it's way too coincidental not to have something to do with their mission.

I think the point was just them being 'old guard' AS, resisting change.

Why did Verin write the information about the waygate in camelyn in a letter to Mat, why not Elaine? Couldn't she also have mentioned it to Egewene?

Oh, that was the topic of many a discussion. It's no simple answer, though, so why don't you try this thread?

I thought it was settled, that the second way Brandon referred to was simply the unraveling of the Pattern (that is, the way every Seal we've seen broken was); still an effect of the DO, just not TP in the strict sense.

At one point, Cadsune specifically stated that if Alanna died, that Rand would die either then or soon afterwards. I don't imagine that he would go into a sucidal rage just because someone he doesn't like all that much died; there is clearly more to it then that.

No, I really don't think there is. It's not a malady, is a desire for death that can only result in the Warder throwing his life away. Nothing we've ever seen suggest another type of malady that would kill the Warder.

It's not just the suicidal rage. Very often that's what does it, but they usually die even without that. It doesn't really go into details of how it works; they might just lose the will to live or something.

 

Yes, Myrelle has saved warders before, and saves Lan, but it is stated that that's really, really rare. Most warders die when the Aes Sedi they're bonded to dies, even if they don't die in a suicidal rage.

I think you're mistaken. Their rage is what losing the will to live means. They go look for trouble, and eventually even a Warder can't survive the risk they take to avenge their AS.

Just wondering. I'm on book 5. Will fights between channelers in thiis series ever stop being just a race to see who can shield the other first? It's getting really repetitive and boring to read at this point. They have all these powers, and they keep using the most decisive and visually boring one.

Tell you what. Ask again after the end of TFoH. If you still feel like you do, then you'll probably feel the same later as well (although there is more diversity, it's just not fundamentally different than the diversity that came before).

Regardless of the specific order, Toveine's expedition was to put an end to the BT. That is bigger that the "how." Destroying the place with B-52's or Cruise Missiles makes no difference really ... The end result is the same from the Ashaman perspective.

Your disagreement isn't with me (well, not just), it's with Logain, Toveine and Gabrelle:

“He burned it, Toveine. After reading the contents. He seemed to think he had done us a favor.”

The hand eased, and Toveine could breathe again. “Elaida’s order was among my papers.” She cleared her throat to rid herself of hoarseness. Elaida’s order to gentle every man found her and then hang them on the spot, without the trial in Tar Valon required by Tower law. “She imposed harsh conditions, and these men would have reacted harshly, if they knew.” In spite of the heat from the stove, she shivered. That single paper could have gotten them all stilled and hanged. “Why would he do us favors?”

“I don’t know why, Toveine. He isn’t a villain, no more than most men. It could be as simple as that.” Gabrelle set a plate of crusted rolls and another with white cheese on the table. “Or it could be that this bond is like the Warder bond in more ways than we know. Maybe he just did not want to experience the two of us executed.” Toveine’s stomach rumbled, but she picked up a roll as if she did not care for more than a nibble.

There are two different orders you're referring to. The first, which is general knowledge by now, is the order to send 50 sisters to raid the BT. The second, secret, one is to Gentle every male channeler on site without a trial or being brought back to the Tower. I don't think many know about that order, although Tsutama might well know.

Yes, Finnsss left out the part about their thinking her a woman with great potential, but in need of some guidance. Rhuarc takes her under his wings for just that purpose.

Thank you, so all the "passive" abilities and oddities of a channeler that do not require them drawing on the Power works as normal when they are shielded? What about dreams seeping into other's dreams. Mo mentions this in New Spring that when channelers sleep in close proximity to one another then the dreams of one will sometimes seep into the dreams of another, do this work to when they are shielded?

That I actually don't know. However, Egwene could Dream easily enough when Shielded in the Tower, for what it's worth.

One quick question, will a shielded channeler see the weaves of others? And will a shielded female channeler see the light of saidar around other women who can channel or will she not be able to do any of that while she is shielded?

Yes and yes. E.g. Moiraine at the end of NStN.

When Verin works her form of "convincing" on prisoner AS, she says that the recipient might die with an year or 10 years of the weave. Does that mean those 23 will not live beyond a decade?

Her thoughts could've been intended to imply that the course she put them on might lead to death rather than the actual weave.

I'm still not sure what you're asking. Are you looking for the Shadow's hand in occurrences where the Lightsiders don't know who's to blame, or that we don't?

For the former, I don't think anyone caught up to the fact that Alviarin orchestrated Siuan's demise (even though Egwene clearly noted the BA's hand in facilitating it). As for the latter, well, we don't know... Are you looking for ideas on what might've been the work of DF?

My question do we have any DF plots that where not explicitely shown to be on screen? The only one I can think of being one is the rumors in Andor about the Dragon killing Morgase (and maybe Elayne)

Many. Off the top of my head, we don't know the particulars of how Taim was released, and then there's the issue of Liandrin's thirteen, some of which have been sent on unknown assignments by Moghedien.

Sorry about the rant. My point is: Does it get better? As in becomes a better, selfless person?

What, do you mean in the remaining two thirds of ToM? No, it doesn't

But I'm sure you could find another thread around here where folks yell at each other about Elayne; I think Egwene is the only character which inspires more arguments than she.

Do you have any preference?

This question has been asked many times before, and everyone seems to have their own preferences. The most popular opinion, with which I fully agree, is after WH. Other than that, I think it would work just fine before TPoD as well (it would make Siuan's opinion of Cadsuane clearer). It's true that I wouldn't recommend stopping between TPoD-WH or CoT-KoD, as these in large part are halves of a whole.

Either way, when considering order of publication, bear in mind that half the story was written for a collection of short stories, which came out a couple of years before the novel, if memory serves.

We know when men grasp saidin, they experienced heightened senses; does the same old true for saidar users?

Yes, the same is true for women. Off the top of my head, Moiraine uses that fact in New Spring (the novel, although the Legends short story contain a reference to that fact as well). I don't know if you've read it already (although I wholeheartedly recommend that you do), so I won't specify how and when.

Part of me wants to argue that when Tigraine disappeared, Moiraine probably put her out of her mind...UNLESS and it's a big one, unless Gitara told her (or the Amyrlin at the time and that Amyrlin then told Siuan and Moiraine since they witnessed Gitara's last foretelling) what her foretelling to Tigraine was.

Gitara would hardly tell an Accepted about that, but that's beside the point. Moiraine knows the rumors of Gitara's involvement in Tigraine's disappearance. She knows some of what Gitara was doing when she died. She's Tigraine sister-in-law. When she heard of a golden-haired wetlander who came to the Waste (at exactly the same time), speaking of a son left behind and a husband she didn't love, she could very well have connected the dots. Just like the readers could, only we don't have the benefit of knowing Tigraine's and Rand's faces.

that leaves open to question how Luc found out.

More than likely, from his superiors. There are many ways in which the Shadow could've learned of it.

As long as we're talking about it, we don't actually know whether Moiraine figured it out or not. She surely could've, even without the assumption that she's met Tigraine (which, quire frankly, I find all but certain).

It could actually be much less nefarious. He might not have meant to do that, or even saw what he did as doing it, but that doesn't mean he told her nothing of his past. After all, he didn't mean to tell Algarin that he was part of that rebellion either, and yet he did.

Who is Rands Brother/Half Brother? mentioned in tSR [Chapter 34: He Who Comes With the Dawn]

Galad, whose mother was also Tigraine, AKA Shaiel.

EDIT: Bravo Whizbang.

Egwene only got one message from Merana (LoC, ch 9). It mentioned that "Alanna has formed an attachment to the wool merchant which may prove useful" but Egwene didn't understand what she was talking about. They didn't send any messages after they were taken by Rand so I don't believe any word from them came to Egwene. Also, when Egwene thinks that Elayne bonded Rand (TOM, ch 14) she doesn't remark on anything strange about it. If she knew that Alanna bonded Rand too she should have.

Bode and the others made it to Salidar. That means their guardians did as well. I very much doubt that they've kept what they know to themselves.

DIdn't he faint when Elayne, Min, and Avi bonded Rand?

No, that's Alanna you're thinking of.

Barid, thanks man.