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It Works in Theory: Mashadar: The Wheel of Time's All-Purpose Cleanser?


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Shalom, my perspicacious patrons of Dragonmount! Welcome to another week of your favorite Dragonmount front page blog, "It Works in Theory." I almost feel lazy in choosing the topic for today's entry, since it's a subject that came up in the comments of last week's blog. I'll go ahead and warn you right now--we're going to be getting our hands dirty today. Before we begin, here's our weekly disclaimer:

 

WARNING!!! Spoiler Alert!!! WARNING!!!

 

This blog is based on theories that will include facts and material from the latest books in the series, so if you have not read through Towers of Midnight, continue reading at your own risk! The odds of there being any truly insightful material in "It Works in Theory" are approximately 1 out of 153,294,586. Please read responsibly. Think of the time spent reading and hoping to glean actually useful information from the blog as the cost of your entertainment. Think of actually finding said information as a bonus. Expect not to read anything useful; odds are there won't be anything of note worth reading about. Don't read to win back lost time. The more you try to recoup lost time, the more you will lose.

 

Today, we'll be discussing the nature and method involved in the cleansing of the Taint and its relationship with Shadar Logoth. There seemed to be somewhat of a divide over this issue. It essentially boiled down to two different perspectives:

 

1. The only place Rand could have cleansed the Taint was at Shadar Logoth, because of Mashadar's ability to counter the Dark One.

 

2. Mashadar didn't help contribute to the cleansing. Rand could have done it anywhere but figured by doing it at Shadar Logoth he'd kill two birds with one stone when the aftermath destroyed the surrounding area.

 

First, let's examine the nature of the relationship between the evil of the Dark One and the evil of Mashadar. There is a great quote right before the cleansing begins that describes the relationship very aptly.

 

Winter's Heart

Chapter 35, "With the Choedan Kal"

 

The male and female halves of the True Source were alike and unalike, attracting and repelling, fighting against each other even as they worked together to drive the Wheel of Time. The taint on the male half had its opposite twin, too. The wound given him by Ishamael throbbed in time with the taint, while the other, from Fain's blade, beat counterpoint in time with the evil that had killed Aridhol.

 

Rand has been corrupted or tainted with his own double dose of evil presences, once when Moridin pierced his side in The Great Hunt, and the other when Padan Fain cut him with the ruby dagger in A Crown of Swords. Even before the amazing Ashaman Healer Flinn isolated both wounds together, the two evils seemed to exist in counterbalance, both diametrically opposed to one another.

 

There's also a strong precedent for Mashadar and the forces of the Shadow having it out for each other: The citizens of Aridhol essentially created Mashadar to somehow counter the evil power of the Dark One, even though they knew its origins were spawned from other questionable sources. Then there's the way Mashadar seems to be attracted to Shadowspawn, and the way that Shadowspawn seem to be attracted to the evil in the ruby dagger that Mat carries for a time. If you visit the WOTFAQ, there's a great article that examines some of the questions involving the cleansing of the Taint and the relationship between Mashadar and the Taint.

 

So, why don't the Mashadar taint and the Dark One's taint destroy themselves in the wound in Rand's side? And how does it make sense to use Mashadar to filter the taint out of saidin, when this seems analogous to using an oily rag to clean up a stain on the carpet? Well, my theory is that even though the separate corruptions are isolated together, they are still reacting more strongly to Rand and his ta'veren nature than they are to each other. They both hate each other, but they share the same strong aversion to Rand. He also struggles so obstinately against evil, which might actually be keeping the two forces from starting to destroy each other.

 

As for the oily rag metaphor, the important thing to remember is the mechanics of the filter he set up to cleanse saidin. It was constructed almost purely out of saidar, and its use of Mashadar existed in somewhere to deposit the befouled substance of the Taint. Because of the way Mashadar and the Dark One's influence seem to attract one other, Shadar Logoth acted like a big magnet to help draw the Taint in. It's almost similar to the way you would dispose or neutralize an acid spill. Using something pure and non-acidic, like water, won't do much but dilute the acid somewhat. Introduce a basic (above 7 on Ph scale, whereas acids are below 7 on the scale) to the mixture that is the mathematical antithesis to the acid and the two substances balance each other out. The actual process of how Mashadar and the Taint destroy each other is probably more like the instantaneous annihilation of particles that occurs when matter and anti-matter come in contact with each other, but we have to remember we're talking about a theoretical confrontation between two supernatural sources, so a simple and perfectly fitting real-life analogy won't be easy to find.

 

For those wanting to see more explanation of the process used in the cleansing of the Taint, there is a site known as "Thus Spake the Creator" in which Robert Jordan answers questions that readers have posed to him over the years. One category in the site encompasses any issues involving the One Power, the True Power, and channeling. If you go about halfway down the page, there is a long paragraph devoted to an explanation Robert Jordan gave someone who was wondering exactly how saidin was cleansed. Jordan describes it as being similar to siphoning off another liquid, so in that analogy, imagine you just pumped a lot of bad gasoline into your car's fuel tank and you need to extract all the bad gasoline out so it doesn't harm the engine. Let's imagine in this hypothetical scenario that bad gas is attracted to filthy old motor oil. If you insert a tube into the fuel tank and start the suction just enough to get the gas to start flowing into a container holding the motor oil, you then have to just sit back and allow the oil to continue drawing in the imperfect gasoline from the fuel tank.

 

There's still a few loose ends in this issue, at least regarding the relationship between Mashadar and the Dark One's influence. We know that the Taint is gone, yet the Taint itself wasn't a completely abnormal occurrence. In a letter to Paul Ward in March of 2000, Robert Jordan sheds some light on this issue (here's the link to the transcript of the letter):

 

Letter to Paul Ward, March 2000

 

Q: (paraphrased) Is the DO pure TP? Why does the Creator ignore Randland except to talk to Rand at the end of TEotW?

RJ: No, the Dark One is not pure True Power. Who says the Creator takes little interest in the activities of mankind? And I will neither confirm nor deny that the Creator spoke to Rand.

 

RJ: The taint and the True Power are both manifestations of the Dark One--they are the same substance, but those who access it are not destroyed in the same way.

 

We also know that Mashadar is gone as well for the most part, except for what escaped into Fain's body, and the part located in Rand's wound. My question is this: what will be the role Mashadar, and Fain specifically, will play in the Last Battle? I've always felt Fain as a character reminded me a lot of Gollum from J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings. His gaunt, ghastly appearance, the way he's always slinking around following the main characters, the way he clutches his dagger like his very own precious...what if he ends up playing a similar role in Rand's final confrontation with the Dark One as Gollum did at the end of that series? He shows up, determined to use his last attempt to take down either Rand or the Dark One, and inadvertently ends up helping to save the day.

 

Another situation when I can see the relationship between Mashadar and the Dark One having some significance is in the prophesied letting out of Rand's blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul. This has to do with my theory concerning the importance of Rand's blood, which is still being fleshed out somewhat, so I'll leave that for another day. For now, I shall have to bid you adieu, and leave you with one of my favorite quotes in the series, at the very end of Winter's Heart:

 

Winter's Heart

Chapter 35, "With the Choedan Kal"

 

Night fell. On the hilltop, the wind blew dust across the fragments of what had once been a ter'angreal. Below lay the tomb of Shadar Logoth, open to give the world hope. And on distant Tremalking, the word began to spread that the Time of Illusions was at an end.




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Well if RJ made an analogy about siphoning then he just confirmed that indeed the Cleansing wouldn't have been possible anywhere but near Shadar Logoth. Cleaning a stain with an oily rag is a plausible analysis on why the taint could have been done anywhere BUT the only problem is Rand did not wipe that stain off Saidin. Instead he used something (which is mashadar) to attract/siphon the taint out of it.

 

Also, I doubt Rand knows what will exactly happen to the taint and mashadar mixture before he went the Shadar Logoth BUT he was fairly sure that Saidin will be cleansed as he already stated his intentions with the Cheodan Kal at the beginning of the book. He probably have this vague idea that a similar case will happen as what is happening with his wounds where the two darkness somehow cancels each other.

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i agree with much of what is said here :) i dont think that mashadar was used to cleanse saidin, but, as a place to dump the taint onto :) if he did it anywhere else(assuming he could), the taint would have been scrubbed off of saidin, and stayed on saidar... which would be less then appealing :)

 

and i dont know about him using the same philosophy to win TG... but then, you all know my theory about that :)

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I agree mashadar was pretty much a place to dump the taint on probably easier that way and causes less trouble.:).

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I sorta think that saidar was used as a tube to connect the tainted saidin to shader logoth and it was siphoned through that tube from one to the other.

 

I don't think the taint was wrung out of it and dumped there, it was sucked through on its own after he fed the initial bit to it through that tube.

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There are a few ideas that I would like to share.

 

The first is how the taint of Saidin was removed. What comes to mind for most of us is the "filter" concept on how to remove oil from water. However, there is another more effective manner to do so, centrifugal force. Since oil and water have different densities, they can be seperated in a spinning cone or cylinder, with holes placed at certian points that allow the water or oil to flow out of, seperately. Now recall that when Rand was forming the conduit out of Saidir, it took a form of its own that he could not understand, something like a flower unfolding. I am not saying that this was what Mr. Jordan was thinking about when he wrote this section, but that it is a viable solution to how the taint could be seperated from Saidin.

 

Second was the nature of Mashadar in relation to the Dark One's taint. As said, they are opposites akin to Saidin and Saidir. If, like Saidin and Saidir, they travel upon a wheel then they also experience cyclical motion, or a sine wave. Since they are opposite on the wheel, they would be opposing sine waves. In other words, when one is fully positive or cresting, the other fully negative or in it's trough; 180 degrees out of phase. This results in what is called destructive interference, where the waves would cancel each other out.

 

It is most likely not as the pH model above, where acids and bases neutralize each other, that would leave water behind. Recall the suction caused by the sudden disappearance of the sphere of the taint when Mashadar started crawling up it, that was destructive interference, or them "cancelling each other out", leaving a vacuum.

 

Honestly, these are only some ideas that occurred to me while reading the text for myself, and in all humility, I would not consider myself an authhority, so please take all this as a grain of salt. :blush:

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Campbell you raise some great ideas! I love em, especially the part about competing sine waves and destructive interference. It makes a lot of sense in that aspect, especially considering the quote from Robert Jordan discussing the circular aspect of the forces of evil in Randland. Your analogy is better than mine really, because it takes into account the "wheel" metaphor, while the PH scale is merely a linear representation of two opposing concepts.

 

One thing I have to throw in there though, is that somehow Mashadar and the Taint didn't completely annihilate each other without any "spillover" or collateral damage. The eradication of Shadar Logoth was no small event, it wasn't just a catastrophe of physical dimensions in being able to remove an entire city, it was a miracle in being able to abolish two such immensely powerful forces. They both could almost be said to have a malevolent will, and did not submit so easily to physics even though their doom was at hand. They fought like wild beasts, and their confrontation grew into a climax that resounded against the land.

 

Destructive interference in this case is almost too good of an explanation in that it describes perfectly the kind of process which could lead Mashadar and the Taint to be abolished, yet isn't quite vague enough to let any possibility of spillover or massive side effects to be seen. The whooshing sound makes sense, because perhaps the annihilation of both forces created some kind of vacuum, however that doesn't explain the gigantic crater which replaced Aridhol.

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I'm still working on more of this. That Shadar Logoth is now a crater is one. I am currently rereading the series to get more of the details (in Book 10 right now), but somewhere in the series, if I remember correctly, it tells of some of the remains of Shadar Logoth. (Does Mashadar ever return?)

 

I have thought that the people/ghosts of Shadar Logoth are what create mashadar, almost as if they "channel" it into being. If you remember when Rand is chasing Samael, he runs across the Aeil Maidin of the Spear that went missing from before. If you recall her words, it seems that she has been corrupted by Shadar Logoth, and acts as if she were resident there. This led me to believe the "ghost" concept, that they would watch you from the shadows, ever wary of others. This would result in all of Shadar Logoth to be corrupted. If you could think that the Taint and Corruption together would cancel out, then mashadar would be the catalyst that started it.

 

Sound tenuous? I think so too, that is why I'm still pondering it.

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