[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

Eldrick4221 · May 17, 2016

vig claims

if there's a doc, like i assume there is as most games do, they protect.

vig has free reign to hunt scum with bullets without worrying about dying themselves.

bonus, if there's a watcher, they get to see the doc and possibly the mafia trying to kill anyway

Eldrick4221 · May 17, 2016

I'm not gonna convince you, and frankly don't care.

I'm a huge pokemon fan. I recently bought the latest version, and have been focusing on playing that. My attention here has suffered for it.

If you really want to kill me because I'm not contributing enough, I'm not gonna stop you. I just want you to be aware it's a stupid reason.

Sili Quirrels · May 17, 2016

vig claims

if there's a doc, like i assume there is as most games do, they protect.

vig has free reign to hunt scum with bullets without worrying about dying themselves.

bonus, if there's a watcher, they get to see the doc and possibly the mafia trying to kill anyway

You shouldn't know any of this for sure. Furthermore you don't know who the vigilante is. The vigilante could have very easily been Turin.

Sili Quirrels · May 17, 2016

If you really want to kill me because I'm not contributing enough, I'm not gonna stop you. I just want you to be aware it's a stupid reason.

Not really. You are being silly if you think not even putting enough effort to make sure your thoughts are internally consistent means I should think you are town.

Eldrick4221 · May 17, 2016

vig claims

if there's a doc, like i assume there is as most games do, they protect.

vig has free reign to hunt scum with bullets without worrying about dying themselves.

bonus, if there's a watcher, they get to see the doc and possibly the mafia trying to kill anyway

You shouldn't know any of this for sure. Furthermore you don't know who the vigilante is. The vigilante could have very easily been Turin.

I don't know who anyone is besides myself.

If you don't see the merit in the vig claiming, I can't help you.

Sili Quirrels · May 17, 2016

vig claims

if there's a doc, like i assume there is as most games do, they protect.

vig has free reign to hunt scum with bullets without worrying about dying themselves.

bonus, if there's a watcher, they get to see the doc and possibly the mafia trying to kill anyway

You shouldn't know any of this for sure. Furthermore you don't know who the vigilante is. The vigilante could have very easily been Turin.

I don't know who anyone is besides myself.

If you don't see the merit in the vig claiming, I can't help you.

I bet if you cared about the best interests of a powerrole you would have instead said something like 'if the vig. claims a doc. can protect them.' - or better yet not say anything because saying something like that gives the mafia information and pressures others into giving information.

Sili Quirrels · May 17, 2016

actually that phrasing sounds bad and it's probably the phrasing you used, go figure. I had something else in mind but I let it slip.

I probably would have said, hey if the vig thinks they're going to get nkd tonight, claim and a doc will protect you.

Eldrick4221 · May 17, 2016

If you really want to kill me because I'm not contributing enough, I'm not gonna stop you. I just want you to be aware it's a stupid reason.

Not really. You are being silly if you think not even putting enough effort to make sure your thoughts are internally consistent means I should think you are town.

I never said that it should make you think I'm town. I'm fully aware that my lack of presence here is hurting people's read of me.

But I'm also not scum for it. If anything, that should be a null reason.

Was there anything else besides "some of my posts have been hollow"?

Thane Vakarian · May 17, 2016

vig claims

if there's a doc, like i assume there is as most games do, they protect.

vig has free reign to hunt scum with bullets without worrying about dying themselves.

bonus, if there's a watcher, they get to see the doc and possibly the mafia trying to kill anyway

You shouldn't know any of this for sure. Furthermore you don't know who the vigilante is. The vigilante could have very easily been Turin.

You guys... I see both of you speculating setup, but Eldrick's tone here looks better than Sili's. Why? Sili, looks like you're prodding and poking at Eldrick, but to me he seems speculating at best. Bolded implies that you think he's scum (which you do), but still... to me it doesn't look like he actually knows all this or anything for sure. he's John Snow.

Eldrick4221 · May 17, 2016

actually that phrasing sounds bad and it's probably the phrasing you used, go figure. I had something else in mind but I let it slip.

I probably would have said, hey if the vig thinks they're going to get nkd tonight, claim and a doc will protect you.

i thought the doc protecting was a given. I didn't think it was required to be said.

Sili Quirrels · May 17, 2016

Anyway, this is an aside. You fos'd turin for 2 days or so based on the fact he tmi'd about the nk, and then when you 'stumble' upon the notion of the existence of a vigilante which by the way was being explored in the thread throghout you don't even think about waht if turin is the vig.???

No this is not an inquisitive town mind.

Sili Quirrels · May 17, 2016

If you really want to kill me because I'm not contributing enough, I'm not gonna stop you. I just want you to be aware it's a stupid reason.

Not really. You are being silly if you think not even putting enough effort to make sure your thoughts are internally consistent means I should think you are town.

I never said that it should make you think I'm town. I'm fully aware that my lack of presence here is hurting people's read of me.

But I'm also not scum for it. If anything, that should be a null reason.

Was there anything else besides "some of my posts have been hollow"?

Bs. You being logically inconsistent is exactly what you do ALL THE TIME as mafia and I have you caught you for stuff like this 3 times now.

Eldrick4221 · May 17, 2016

vig claims

if there's a doc, like i assume there is as most games do, they protect.

vig has free reign to hunt scum with bullets without worrying about dying themselves.

bonus, if there's a watcher, they get to see the doc and possibly the mafia trying to kill anyway

You shouldn't know any of this for sure. Furthermore you don't know who the vigilante is. The vigilante could have very easily been Turin.

You guys... I see both of you speculating setup, but Eldrick's tone here looks better than Sili's. Why? Sili, looks like you're prodding and poking at Eldrick, but to me he seems speculating at best. Bolded implies that you think he's scum (which you do), but still... to me it doesn't look like he actually knows all this or anything for sure. he's John Snow.

I'm speculating only as far as believing there's a doc.

We know there's a second killer. My worry is that it's an SK.

Which is why I said what I did in the first place, because SK wouldn't respond to it IMO.

Eldrick4221 · May 17, 2016

Anyway, this is an aside. You fos'd turin for 2 days or so based on the fact he tmi'd about the nk, and then when you 'stumble' upon the notion of the existence of a vigilante which by the way was being explored in the thread throghout you don't even think about waht if turin is the vig.???

No this is not an inquisitive town mind.

I still don't see why the vig would stay hidden, after there being proof that there was a second killer.

It's town cred and draws attention away from the mafia's probable cop/doc hunt that happens in every game.

Of course Turin could have been the vig, but his adamant denial of being responsible for a kill made it unlikely.

Sili Quirrels · May 17, 2016

vig claims

if there's a doc, like i assume there is as most games do, they protect.

vig has free reign to hunt scum with bullets without worrying about dying themselves.

bonus, if there's a watcher, they get to see the doc and possibly the mafia trying to kill anyway

You shouldn't know any of this for sure. Furthermore you don't know who the vigilante is. The vigilante could have very easily been Turin.

You guys... I see both of you speculating setup, but Eldrick's tone here looks better than Sili's. Why? Sili, looks like you're prodding and poking at Eldrick, but to me he seems speculating at best. Bolded implies that you think he's scum (which you do), but still... to me it doesn't look like he actually knows all this or anything for sure. he's John Snow.

No.

Eldrick wanted the vigilante to claim. This is in the thread. What happens when the vigilante claims? He is either nightkilled or he is protected by a doctor. There is no evidence there is a doctor. Eldrick is making a BASELESS assumption about the setup and asking a pr to claim based on his BASELESS speculation.

This does not fly and your bolded italicized speaks your bias quite plainly.

Eldrick4221 · May 17, 2016

If you really want to kill me because I'm not contributing enough, I'm not gonna stop you. I just want you to be aware it's a stupid reason.

Not really. You are being silly if you think not even putting enough effort to make sure your thoughts are internally consistent means I should think you are town.

I never said that it should make you think I'm town. I'm fully aware that my lack of presence here is hurting people's read of me.

But I'm also not scum for it. If anything, that should be a null reason.

Was there anything else besides "some of my posts have been hollow"?

Bs. You being logically inconsistent is exactly what you do ALL THE TIME as mafia and I have you caught you for stuff like this 3 times now.

Where have I been logically inconsistent?

Sili Quirrels · May 17, 2016

Of course Turin could have been the vig, but his adamant denial of being responsible for a kill made it unlikely.

I'm not going to bother with what I didn't quote.

I only saw Turin say he wasn't responsible for the kill after you asked the vig. to claim.

Sili Quirrels · May 17, 2016

Bs. You being logically inconsistent is exactly what you do ALL THE TIME as mafia and I have you caught you for stuff like this 3 times now.

Where have I been logically inconsistent?

I just explained it.

Eldrick4221 · May 17, 2016

vig claims

if there's a doc, like i assume there is as most games do, they protect.

vig has free reign to hunt scum with bullets without worrying about dying themselves.

bonus, if there's a watcher, they get to see the doc and possibly the mafia trying to kill anyway

You shouldn't know any of this for sure. Furthermore you don't know who the vigilante is. The vigilante could have very easily been Turin.

You guys... I see both of you speculating setup, but Eldrick's tone here looks better than Sili's. Why? Sili, looks like you're prodding and poking at Eldrick, but to me he seems speculating at best. Bolded implies that you think he's scum (which you do), but still... to me it doesn't look like he actually knows all this or anything for sure. he's John Snow.

No.

Eldrick wanted the vigilante to claim. This is in the thread. What happens when the vigilante claims? He is either nightkilled or he is protected by a doctor. There is no evidence there is a doctor. Eldrick is making a BASELESS assumption about the setup and asking a pr to claim based on his BASELESS speculation.

This does not fly and your bolded italicized speaks your bias quite plainly.

That is, of course, the worst case scenario.

That there isn't a doc, or that they don't get protected for whatever reason.

I don't expect that to be the case, and therefore felt it was worth asking.

I'm also perfectly fine with it not being answered.

Eldrick4221 · May 17, 2016

Of course Turin could have been the vig, but his adamant denial of being responsible for a kill made it unlikely.

I'm not going to bother with what I didn't quote.

I only saw Turin say he wasn't responsible for the kill after you asked the vig. to claim.

I pressured him about claiming that there were 2 kills before I asked that, and if you say that isn't accusing him of being responsible for a kill, or that his response isn't denying having a kill, then you are lying.

Sure it wasn't outright said until after I directly asked, but that doesn't make my logic inconsistent.

Eldrick4221 · May 17, 2016

Not claiming. Speculating.

Sili Quirrels · May 17, 2016

The worst case scenario? Oh, you mean the one that happens 30% of the time. Another 50% of the time they get roleblocked jailkept or die in two days because of the claim because the doctor cannot help them forever.

This shouldn't have to be explained here. This is nonsense. The fact of the matter is you, without any knowledge of the set up besides some erroneous speculation wanted a pr to claim because - why exactly? for their benefit and just for their benefit when you don't even know if that might even be remotely true? not even to clear anything up?

wow.

and thane defended this i don't even know where to begin.

Eldrick4221 · May 17, 2016

He speculated that if there were 2 kills, Besie was SK.

There were 2 kills.

I pressured him for pssible TMI because he predicted 2 kills.

He denyed having a kill.

I asked if anyone would want to claim the kill.

He didn't.

Not even slightly illogical.

Thane Vakarian · May 17, 2016

At this point it should be fairly obvious that no town PR with a correct mindset would claim anything....

Sili Quirrels · May 17, 2016

Of course Turin could have been the vig, but his adamant denial of being responsible for a kill made it unlikely.

I'm not going to bother with what I didn't quote.

I only saw Turin say he wasn't responsible for the kill after you asked the vig. to claim.

I pressured him about claiming that there were 2 kills before I asked that, and if you say that isn't accusing him of being responsible for a kill, or that his response isn't denying having a kill, then you are lying.

But you weren't asking him if he was a vigilante even while the entire thread was talking about the possibility of there being one...

Sure it wasn't outright said until after I directly asked, but that doesn't make my logic inconsistent.

You admitted you were curious about whether he was responsible for one of the kills as either an SK or a mafiaso, so how is that any different from implying that he should claim if he is the vig? Is it that you 'believed' him because he didn't want to claim a pr openly?

derp clear denied.

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