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Mafia-13 Apprentice

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I'd like to hear more from Coffin before I make a decision about voting to release him from the trap or not. Before his alterego took over, I was starting to lean scum on him. That or incredibly frustrated townie. I'm having a hard time making up my mind about him.

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Mafia-7 Explorer

Mafia-7

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Weekend strikes and Monday workload.  'Sup ya'll. 

 

As for the holstering thing, I'm rethinking it, and yeah, I led the werewolf lynch (to the person who asked).  I'm mostly rethinking because of a PM with DPR.  DPR basically said that the goodies that are out there get better and better as the game goes on.  It makes me think that scum are going to get some good stuff regardless, and it is up to town to try and match it.  I'll keep thinking about it though.

 

vote Creepy Heap

Mafia-7 Explorer

Mafia-7

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Wax made some good points on Charlie. I'd also be willing to go for Shark, partly due to gut feeling, but his/her posting seems off.

 

 

Vote Charlie

 

As she/he has done all game, Heap lurkscumagrees.

Mafia-7 Explorer

Mafia-7

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I'm L-1 on getting released from this trap.  Witch Doctor has confirmed that I stole a 1x Watcher role last night.  Please hammer my release.

 

That means nothing to me as I don't see Witch Dr as being particularly town. 

 

Vote Release Kook

Vote Release Coffin

Mafia-7 Explorer

Mafia-7

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DR. COFFIN (7) - Wax, Zombie, Charlie, Creeper, Witch, Tar, Cat

 

SPACE KOOK (11)  - Wax, Hyde, Kook, Zombie, Creepy Heap, Cutler, Charlie, Creeper, Witch, Tar, Cat

 

It takes 12 votes each to release Dr. Coffin and Space Kook.

 

Why the difference between Coffin and Kook?  Hyde, Kook, and Creepy Heap, I'm lookin' at you.  Why exactly would you vote to release one and not the other? 

Mafia-13 Apprentice

Mafia-13

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Why the difference between Coffin and Kook?  Hyde, Kook, and Creepy Heap, I'm lookin' at you.  Why exactly would you vote to release one and not the other? 

 

 

I already said in thread:

 

Release Space Kook

 

I know he's town, I viewed him N1.

 

 

 

 

Release Space Kook

 

I know he's town, I viewed him N1.

Not fully caught up but wanted to comment on this. That's not necessarily true, there are mirrors after all.

 

 

He has told me his actions for each night, I believe him and that my viewing is true.

 

 

I'd like to hear more from Coffin before I make a decision about voting to release him from the trap or not. Before his alterego took over, I was starting to lean scum on him. That or incredibly frustrated townie. I'm having a hard time making up my mind about him.

Mafia-13 Apprentice

Mafia-13

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DR. COFFIN (7) - Wax, Zombie, Charlie, Creeper, Witch, Tar, Cat

 

SPACE KOOK (11)  - Wax, Hyde, Kook, Zombie, Creepy Heap, Cutler, Charlie, Creeper, Witch, Tar, Cat

 

It takes 12 votes each to release Dr. Coffin and Space Kook.

 

Why the difference between Coffin and Kook?  Hyde, Kook, and Creepy Heap, I'm lookin' at you.  Why exactly would you vote to release one and not the other? 

 

 

You missed Cutler from your list of people to be looking at.

Mafia-21 Explorer

Mafia-21

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I'm L-1 on getting released from this trap.  Witch Doctor has confirmed that I stole a 1x Watcher role last night.  Please hammer my release.

 

That means nothing to me as I don't see Witch Dr as being particularly town. 

 

Vote Release Kook

Vote Release Coffin

 

 

You think mafia are stealing from people?  I don't.  If somebody confirms a steal, that goes a long way (to me) towards confirming they are town.

 

Mafia are getting people "caught" stealing.  A successful steal and confirmation could very likely be the same as a Cop viewing in this game.

 

 

Ok, here's my theory now that I'm out of the trap:  If we holster, mafia can't catch anybody stealing.  If we call our shots and use the trackers/watchers accordingly, we can catch scum trying to get us caught.

 

Example:

 

Player A steals from Player B.  Scum probably target one of them to "catch aka NK".  If a watcher watches Player A and B, and a tracker tracks A, we can probably identify if scum try to get somebody caught.  If we have people firing willy-nilly in every direction, there will be enough confusion for scum to kill/catch people without detection.  If we coordinate, we should be good.

 

Meanwhile, we need to get mirrors out of the game.  Get them used up, or all in the hands of certain players.  This way we can reasonably trust Cop views.

 

Is this plan crap?  Maybe.  But it is a plan, and I've yet to see one I think is better.

 

 

 

 

 

 

DR. COFFIN (7) - Wax, Zombie, Charlie, Creeper, Witch, Tar, Cat

 

SPACE KOOK (11)  - Wax, Hyde, Kook, Zombie, Creepy Heap, Cutler, Charlie, Creeper, Witch, Tar, Cat

 

It takes 12 votes each to release Dr. Coffin and Space Kook.

 

Why the difference between Coffin and Kook?  Hyde, Kook, and Creepy Heap, I'm lookin' at you.  Why exactly would you vote to release one and not the other? 

 

 

I know my alignment, so I voted for myself.  I don't know Coffin's.  What is hard to understand about that?

PHANTOM mafia Newbie

PHANTOM mafia

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I see Kook got released. I'm more unsure about Coffin. Waxie; are you willing to confirm if Coffin sent you his NA's? 

 

 

Oh and

 

Vote Charlie Robot 

 

 

 

Good catch there Wax.

 

That puts Charlie at L-2. 

Mafia-21 Explorer

Mafia-21

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Also, the only way we can continue to scumhunt in my theory is if we unlock the van.  Fred most likely has the keys.  We need to find him, and lynch him.  Of all the scum likely to have an extra suit, it would be Fred.

 

Therefore, I'm really thinking we might want to look into a Tar Monster lynch.  He's confirming a 2nd suit.  We know scum has one.  We know 2 people flipped town.  Are there more than 3, and Tar is town as well?  Maybe....but wouldn't we want THREE confirmed town in that case?

Mafia-10 Enthusiast

Mafia-10

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You think mafia are stealing from people? I don't. If somebody confirms a steal, that goes a long way (to me) towards confirming they are town.

Let's stop for a minute and consider this. I don't think we have any proof either way. If scum have no steal, then you're right about confirmed stealing being helpful.

 

Mafia are getting people "caught" stealing. A successful steal and confirmation could very likely be the same as a Cop viewing in this game.

We don't know that either. Sure, we can speculate, but they might have much more that we don't know of. That might include having some sort of plan for town holstering. Apart from town not getting the info they should be.

 

Ok, here's my theory now that I'm out of the trap: If we holster, mafia can't catch anybody stealing. If we call our shots and use the trackers/watchers accordingly, we can catch scum trying to get us caught.

So if you haven't been released from the trap, you would have wanted to penalize town? You do realize that if you're town, you win with town regardless of whether you survive, right?

Calling shots might work, but they shouldn't be called on thread. I also believe that the more actions, the better chance of tracking them (more information).

We'll need to consider your example. It's not easy to coordinate as we don't know who the maffia are (and thus whom to trust with what actions).

Mafia-10 Enthusiast

Mafia-10

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unvote CHARLIE ROBOT

 

Do not put him to L-2 him please! If he is maffia and just one player doesn't pay attention, he can get out trapped guy killed by self-hammering.

Mafia-21 Explorer

Mafia-21

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So if you haven't been released from the trap, you would have wanted to penalize town? You do realize that if you're town, you win with town regardless of whether you survive, right?

Calling shots might work, but they shouldn't be called on thread. I also believe that the more actions, the better chance of tracking them (more information).

We'll need to consider your example. It's not easy to coordinate as we don't know who the maffia are (and thus whom to trust with what actions).

 

 

Really?!?!  OMG thanks for teaching me this!  I had no idea how mafia worked!  You're my hero.

 

Now be quiet.  You know that somebody had access to my actions and info, and could have shared it I was caught stealing from WD last night.  Don't play coy with me.

 

If scum are just targeting somebody and if they steal, they can be caught.....we'll need to figure that out.  It could be as simple as stealing from scum gets you caught.....but I'm not sure.  That detail is pretty key to my plan.  If we set up our actions and layer it with tracks, watches, cop views, we should be able to methodically go through the game.  But we need to find Fred.  He's my best guess for having the keys to the van.

 

What do people think of that?

Mafia-7 Explorer

Mafia-7

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You think mafia are stealing from people?  I don't.  If somebody confirms a steal, that goes a long way (to me) towards confirming they are town.

 

Mafia are getting people "caught" stealing.  A successful steal and confirmation could very likely be the same as a Cop viewing in this game.

 

 

Ok, here's my theory now that I'm out of the trap:  If we holster, mafia can't catch anybody stealing.  If we call our shots and use the trackers/watchers accordingly, we can catch scum trying to get us caught.

 

Example:

 

Player A steals from Player B.  Scum probably target one of them to "catch aka NK".  If a watcher watches Player A and B, and a tracker tracks A, we can probably identify if scum try to get somebody caught.  If we have people firing willy-nilly in every direction, there will be enough confusion for scum to kill/catch people without detection.  If we coordinate, we should be good.

 

Meanwhile, we need to get mirrors out of the game.  Get them used up, or all in the hands of certain players.  This way we can reasonably trust Cop views.

 

Is this plan crap?  Maybe.  But it is a plan, and I've yet to see one I think is better.

 

 

 

I know my alignment, so I voted for myself.  I don't know Coffin's.  What is hard to understand about that?

 

 

I dont' think mafia are stealing from people.  But it wouldn't be hard for you and Witch to both be mafia and claim stealing to "validate" both of you. 

 

As for your plan, at least the idea of a watcher seems reasonable. 

Mafia-21 Explorer

Mafia-21

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unvote CHARLIE ROBOT

 

Do not put him to L-2 him please! If he is maffia and just one player doesn't pay attention, he can get out trapped guy killed by self-hammering.

 

Wait.....so you think scum would trade themselves for 1 townie?  Fantastic!

 

>_>

Mafia-7 Explorer

Mafia-7

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Really?!?!  OMG thanks for teaching me this!  I had no idea how mafia worked!  You're my hero.

 

Now be quiet.  You know that somebody had access to my actions and info, and could have shared it I was caught stealing from WD last night.  Don't play coy with me.

 

If scum are just targeting somebody and if they steal, they can be caught.....we'll need to figure that out.  It could be as simple as stealing from scum gets you caught.....but I'm not sure.  That detail is pretty key to my plan.  If we set up our actions and layer it with tracks, watches, cop views, we should be able to methodically go through the game.  But we need to find Fred.  He's my best guess for having the keys to the van.

 

What do people think of that?

 

 

In a DPR game I doubt it.

Mafia-21 Explorer

Mafia-21

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I dont' think mafia are stealing from people.  But it wouldn't be hard for you and Witch to both be mafia and claim stealing to "validate" both of you. 

 

As for your plan, at least the idea of a watcher seems reasonable. 

 

 

We literally have no idea how to properly scumhunt yet.  You think scum would put themselves out there like that when town is this confused?  I don't.

Mafia-21 Explorer

Mafia-21

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Really?!?!  OMG thanks for teaching me this!  I had no idea how mafia worked!  You're my hero.

 

Now be quiet.  You know that somebody had access to my actions and info, and could have shared it I was caught stealing from WD last night.  Don't play coy with me.

 

If scum are just targeting somebody and if they steal, they can be caught.....we'll need to figure that out.  It could be as simple as stealing from scum gets you caught.....but I'm not sure.  That detail is pretty key to my plan.  If we set up our actions and layer it with tracks, watches, cop views, we should be able to methodically go through the game.  But we need to find Fred.  He's my best guess for having the keys to the van.

 

What do people think of that?

 

 

In a DPR game I doubt it.

 

 

Have you played many DPR games?  I have.  Some of them are very simple when you peel away the layers.  Once the mechanics we need to know are figured out, this can become quite simple, actually.

Mafia-10 Enthusiast

Mafia-10

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unvote CHARLIE ROBOT

 

Do not put him to L-2 him please! If he is maffia and just one player doesn't pay attention, he can get out trapped guy killed by self-hammering.

 

Wait.....so you think scum would trade themselves for 1 townie?  Fantastic!

 

>_>

 

 

I think they would. Trade a guy that's almost 100% to get lynched for a townie? Anytime?

It's almost like a vengeful kill.

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