[Basic] Operation Domination - Game Over - Mafia Wins

RandA lThor · August 16, 2012

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ShaidarHaran-Mafia · August 16, 2012

Normally I would call someone out for trying to protect someone who is town to seem more town, but Moridin's arguments have been true and I haven't seen much in that that seems like scum looking for a way to protect town. However, it could be that he sees an illegitimate case on a townie and wants to take advantage of that in a different way while his teammates take advantage in the normal way while still distancing. Right now, i will hold off on the Moridin WIFOM.

Um, I still mention the fact that he could be scum, not really protecting him here.

Asmodean-Mafia · August 16, 2012

Awww, c'mon Graen! I been waitin' for you...

Asmodean-Mafia · August 16, 2012

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You think you are doing something with this.

You're not.

Asmodean-Mafia · August 16, 2012

Normally I would call someone out for trying to protect someone who is town to seem more town, but Moridin's arguments have been true and I haven't seen much in that that seems like scum looking for a way to protect town. However, it could be that he sees an illegitimate case on a townie and wants to take advantage of that in a different way while his teammates take advantage in the normal way while still distancing. Right now, i will hold off on the Moridin WIFOM.

Um, I still mention the fact that he could be scum, not really protecting him here.

I know you do. *ruffles your hair*

ShaidarHaran-Mafia · August 16, 2012

Normally I would call someone out for trying to protect someone who is town to seem more town, but Moridin's arguments have been true and I haven't seen much in that that seems like scum looking for a way to protect town. However, it could be that he sees an illegitimate case on a townie and wants to take advantage of that in a different way while his teammates take advantage in the normal way while still distancing. Right now, i will hold off on the Moridin WIFOM.

Um, I still mention the fact that he could be scum, not really protecting him here.

I know you do. *ruffles your hair*

I don't mind you ruffling my hair, look at my avi, I have some awesome hair. :laugh:

I know you do what?

ShaidarHaran-Mafia · August 16, 2012

Oh wait, nvm, don't see what that has to do with ruffling hair, unless if you just wanted to ruffle my hair.

Graendal-Mafia · August 16, 2012

Finally caught up! My thoughts for now...A lot of interesting things went down. Still don't know if having Halima step up to reveal Moridin's fib was a good idea in the long run but it was her decision and it's done....and we did nab a scum on day one!! so it's sort of bitter sweet triumph.

I agree with Graendal on her theory about the roles. I also noticed Moridin's slip in my reread and since I know the names of pretty much most of the admins the site has seen it did catch my eye (though it bears no relevance now lol). BUT, her noticing and voicing it right after Moridin's "reveal" + her very own reveal has made me lean considerably towards Graendal being town.

I still stick to the same sentiment of day 1 and my vote is going right back to SH on day 2. I've not seen anything to change my mind in regards to him. If nothing else, every post he makes makes me believe even more that he's scum. The dynamics between him and Moridin was odd at best. Moridin did overly defend SH for not apparent reason but when the votes shifted towards Moridin's direction then SH was trying to defend him as well. Couple that with my feeling that SH was being instructed on how to repair his error when he mis-posted (heh, made up a word!)... and you got yourself another scum in the bag.

This post made me crack-up - brownie-hound much? Check out Graen's posts below...they are 1 minute apart. I don't know that I've ever seen a "sudden realization" happen that fast - she took less than a minute to realize that Poet was never actually an admin? Really? Was she best friends with Poet? Did she know for sure that Poet was never promoted to admin? Or better yet, since Red didn't define why the characters would be who they are, was there any real reason to make her (Graen) posts at all other than to try and support Moridin, but distance herself as well just in case? And here Cyndane comes, bringing up the point again. LMFAO

Check it out kids, then go back and re-read page 8 for a huge laugh.

I can believe that.

Although... Poet isn't admin. Just regular DM staff user group

I got a boat-load of these to post come daylight, and with no real reason to expect to be killed, I can't wait to share them.

Graen, I see you like to bully players. I wonder how well you flail?

heh

I said I wasn't sure how Red, labled characters in a later post. That is the whole reason I didn't switch back to Moridin instantly. When Halima revealed I knew which one was lieing. Also I never had any "great realization" I was just stating my thoughts on thread. I almost bought the "well I wouldn't want to break rule 12 so I won't quote my PM" comment he said because like we have both said I did not know how characters were labled at the time. That is no longer the case.

Also yes I did know that Poet has never been an Admin, there have only been around 10 Admin at most and I'm rounding up.

Asmodean-Mafia · August 16, 2012

Normally I would call someone out for trying to protect someone who is town to seem more town, but Moridin's arguments have been true and I haven't seen much in that that seems like scum looking for a way to protect town. However, it could be that he sees an illegitimate case on a townie and wants to take advantage of that in a different way while his teammates take advantage in the normal way while still distancing. Right now, i will hold off on the Moridin WIFOM.

Um, I still mention the fact that he could be scum, not really protecting him here.

I know you do. *ruffles your hair*

I don't mind you ruffling my hair, look at my avi, I have some awesome hair.

I know you do what?

Mention the fact that he's scum, but don't really protect him, of course.

I thought you were supposed to be brilliant and all?

August 16, 2012

Actually, all I did was bring up different possibilities, I never actually said that I thought Moridin was town, I just said that I didn't think everyone was considering other possibilities. And if you are going on the theory of Graendal being town because she noticed Moridin's slip, then I think you are missing the point where I was the main person going for a CC. Pretty sure scum wouldn't want a mafia outed after he could have gotten through.

Looking through most of your posts it's actually true. You have been VERY careful at staying neutral with most of the comments you've made thus far, only offering possibilities rather than taking a stand... it is still apparent that you've taken the effort to remind us of the possibility of Moridin being just an honest townie trying to help another townie. Sorry, but I don't buy it.

This post made me crack-up - brownie-hound much? Check out Graen's posts below...they are 1 minute apart. I don't know that I've ever seen a "sudden realization" happen that fast - she took less than a minute to realize that Poet was never actually an admin? Really? Was she best friends with Poet? Did she know for sure that Poet was never promoted to admin? Or better yet, since Red didn't define why the characters would be who they are, was there any real reason to make her (Graen) posts at all other than to try and support Moridin, but distance herself as well just in case? And here Cyndane comes, bringing up the point again. LMFAO

1. I have no idea what brownie hound means.

2. I disagree with what you say. You hardly need to be someone's best friend to know if they're admins or not. With that said there are a lot of members out there that don't know who are the admins at current, or even staff, for that matter. Despite the fact of there being a detailed outline on the 101 forum.

But to the point at hand, Poetstorm has just gotten her job recently. With there being new admin spots, such as the front page admin position, I could totally see why Graendal would take a minute to pin down if Poetstorm was staff or admin. Besides, if Graendal was scum it would have been in her best interest to distance herself, naturally, but at the same time not hinder Moridin's tactic. So it doesn't really make sense to me for her to openly point out a flaw that could have ended his little shade without the real doc having to counterclaim. It doesn't add up.

Yes, Red hasn't defined that the characters would be as they are on the site. But after seeing Moridin's fake claim + Graendal's reveal + the details of my own PM, I think that Graendal's theory is most likely correct.

August 16, 2012

shade=charade (hate autocorrect >.<)

Asmodean-Mafia · August 16, 2012

Finally caught up! My thoughts for now...A lot of interesting things went down. Still don't know if having Halima step up to reveal Moridin's fib was a good idea in the long run but it was her decision and it's done....and we did nab a scum on day one!! so it's sort of bitter sweet triumph.

I agree with Graendal on her theory about the roles. I also noticed Moridin's slip in my reread and since I know the names of pretty much most of the admins the site has seen it did catch my eye (though it bears no relevance now lol). BUT, her noticing and voicing it right after Moridin's "reveal" + her very own reveal has made me lean considerably towards Graendal being town.

I still stick to the same sentiment of day 1 and my vote is going right back to SH on day 2. I've not seen anything to change my mind in regards to him. If nothing else, every post he makes makes me believe even more that he's scum. The dynamics between him and Moridin was odd at best. Moridin did overly defend SH for not apparent reason but when the votes shifted towards Moridin's direction then SH was trying to defend him as well. Couple that with my feeling that SH was being instructed on how to repair his error when he mis-posted (heh, made up a word!)... and you got yourself another scum in the bag.

This post made me crack-up - brownie-hound much? Check out Graen's posts below...they are 1 minute apart. I don't know that I've ever seen a "sudden realization" happen that fast - she took less than a minute to realize that Poet was never actually an admin? Really? Was she best friends with Poet? Did she know for sure that Poet was never promoted to admin? Or better yet, since Red didn't define why the characters would be who they are, was there any real reason to make her (Graen) posts at all other than to try and support Moridin, but distance herself as well just in case? And here Cyndane comes, bringing up the point again. LMFAO

Check it out kids, then go back and re-read page 8 for a huge laugh.

I can believe that.

Although... Poet isn't admin. Just regular DM staff user group

I got a boat-load of these to post come daylight, and with no real reason to expect to be killed, I can't wait to share them.

Graen, I see you like to bully players. I wonder how well you flail?

heh

I said I wasn't sure how Red, labled characters in a later post. That is the whole reason I didn't switch back to Moridin instantly. When Halima revealed I knew which one was lieing. Also I never had any "great realization" I was just stating my thoughts on thread. I almost bought the "well I wouldn't want to break rule 12 so I won't quote my PM" comment he said because like we have both said I did not know how characters were labled at the time. That is no longer the case.

Also yes I did know that Poet has never been an Admin, there have only been around 10 Admin at most and I'm rounding up.

And you account for a 20 person game exactly how? I believe you just peed down your leg and all over your own logic. You flail real good. *snickers*

Graendal-Mafia · August 16, 2012

Not to mention, Moridin's flip. Nae just recently stepped down as SG group leader and it said "previous" on the coroner report.

August 16, 2012

Good point. I didn't notice that.

Graendal-Mafia · August 16, 2012

Finally caught up! My thoughts for now...A lot of interesting things went down. Still don't know if having Halima step up to reveal Moridin's fib was a good idea in the long run but it was her decision and it's done....and we did nab a scum on day one!! so it's sort of bitter sweet triumph.

I agree with Graendal on her theory about the roles. I also noticed Moridin's slip in my reread and since I know the names of pretty much most of the admins the site has seen it did catch my eye (though it bears no relevance now lol). BUT, her noticing and voicing it right after Moridin's "reveal" + her very own reveal has made me lean considerably towards Graendal being town.

I still stick to the same sentiment of day 1 and my vote is going right back to SH on day 2. I've not seen anything to change my mind in regards to him. If nothing else, every post he makes makes me believe even more that he's scum. The dynamics between him and Moridin was odd at best. Moridin did overly defend SH for not apparent reason but when the votes shifted towards Moridin's direction then SH was trying to defend him as well. Couple that with my feeling that SH was being instructed on how to repair his error when he mis-posted (heh, made up a word!)... and you got yourself another scum in the bag.

This post made me crack-up - brownie-hound much? Check out Graen's posts below...they are 1 minute apart. I don't know that I've ever seen a "sudden realization" happen that fast - she took less than a minute to realize that Poet was never actually an admin? Really? Was she best friends with Poet? Did she know for sure that Poet was never promoted to admin? Or better yet, since Red didn't define why the characters would be who they are, was there any real reason to make her (Graen) posts at all other than to try and support Moridin, but distance herself as well just in case? And here Cyndane comes, bringing up the point again. LMFAO

Check it out kids, then go back and re-read page 8 for a huge laugh.

I can believe that.

Although... Poet isn't admin. Just regular DM staff user group

I got a boat-load of these to post come daylight, and with no real reason to expect to be killed, I can't wait to share them.

Graen, I see you like to bully players. I wonder how well you flail?

heh

I said I wasn't sure how Red, labled characters in a later post. That is the whole reason I didn't switch back to Moridin instantly. When Halima revealed I knew which one was lieing. Also I never had any "great realization" I was just stating my thoughts on thread. I almost bought the "well I wouldn't want to break rule 12 so I won't quote my PM" comment he said because like we have both said I did not know how characters were labled at the time. That is no longer the case.

Also yes I did know that Poet has never been an Admin, there have only been around 10 Admin at most and I'm rounding up.

And you account for a 20 person game exactly how? I believe you just peed down your leg and all over your own logic. You flail real good. *snickers*

I didn't say all players were going to be admin you are skimming, would you like a noose?

There are a boat load of current staff not to mention previous staff. I did however say I am expecting 4 more Admin to be in this.

Asmodean-Mafia · August 16, 2012

Actually, all I did was bring up different possibilities, I never actually said that I thought Moridin was town, I just said that I didn't think everyone was considering other possibilities. And if you are going on the theory of Graendal being town because she noticed Moridin's slip, then I think you are missing the point where I was the main person going for a CC. Pretty sure scum wouldn't want a mafia outed after he could have gotten through.

Looking through most of your posts it's actually true. You have been VERY careful at staying neutral with most of the comments you've made thus far, only offering possibilities rather than taking a stand... it is still apparent that you've taken the effort to remind us of the possibility of Moridin being just an honest townie trying to help another townie. Sorry, but I don't buy it.

This post made me crack-up - brownie-hound much? Check out Graen's posts below...they are 1 minute apart. I don't know that I've ever seen a "sudden realization" happen that fast - she took less than a minute to realize that Poet was never actually an admin? Really? Was she best friends with Poet? Did she know for sure that Poet was never promoted to admin? Or better yet, since Red didn't define why the characters would be who they are, was there any real reason to make her (Graen) posts at all other than to try and support Moridin, but distance herself as well just in case? And here Cyndane comes, bringing up the point again. LMFAO

1. I have no idea what brownie hound means.

2. I disagree with what you say. You hardly need to be someone's best friend to know if they're admins or not. With that said there are a lot of members out there that don't know who are the admins at current, or even staff, for that matter. Despite the fact of there being a detailed outline on the 101 forum.

But to the point at hand, Poetstorm has just gotten her job recently. With there being new admin spots, such as the front page admin position, I could totally see why Graendal would take a minute to pin down if Poetstorm was staff or admin. Besides, if Graendal was scum it would have been in her best interest to distance herself, naturally, but at the same time not hinder Moridin's tactic. So it doesn't really make sense to me for her to openly point out a flaw that could have ended his little shade without the real doc having to counterclaim. It doesn't add up.

Yes, Red hasn't defined that the characters would be as they are on the site. But after seeing Moridin's fake claim + Graendal's reveal + the details of my own PM, I think that Graendal's theory is most likely correct.

So jump right in on my question to Graen: How do you account for a 20 person game?

The only way your arguments stand up is if they are supported by the logic used to create them. If there have only been *maybe 10 admins* in the history of DM, we would expect to see other names used as character names - right? And if Graen knew that, like she said, then how was it she picked off a fake one? That's quite a trick.

Your defense of Graen is suspect.

Asmodean-Mafia · August 16, 2012

Not to mention, Moridin's flip. Nae just recently stepped down as SG group leader and it said "previous" on the coroner report.

Uh-huh. And you knew that there had never been a former "Poet" admin how?

Your post was either manufactured or extrmemly naive, which does not fit with your bullying ways. But I'd be delighted to hear which one you want it to be now...

Asmodean-Mafia · August 16, 2012

Brilliant comeback by the way. Meh

Asmodean-Mafia · August 16, 2012

Finally caught up! My thoughts for now...A lot of interesting things went down. Still don't know if having Halima step up to reveal Moridin's fib was a good idea in the long run but it was her decision and it's done....and we did nab a scum on day one!! so it's sort of bitter sweet triumph.

I agree with Graendal on her theory about the roles. I also noticed Moridin's slip in my reread and since I know the names of pretty much most of the admins the site has seen it did catch my eye (though it bears no relevance now lol). BUT, her noticing and voicing it right after Moridin's "reveal" + her very own reveal has made me lean considerably towards Graendal being town.

I still stick to the same sentiment of day 1 and my vote is going right back to SH on day 2. I've not seen anything to change my mind in regards to him. If nothing else, every post he makes makes me believe even more that he's scum. The dynamics between him and Moridin was odd at best. Moridin did overly defend SH for not apparent reason but when the votes shifted towards Moridin's direction then SH was trying to defend him as well. Couple that with my feeling that SH was being instructed on how to repair his error when he mis-posted (heh, made up a word!)... and you got yourself another scum in the bag.

This post made me crack-up - brownie-hound much? Check out Graen's posts below...they are 1 minute apart. I don't know that I've ever seen a "sudden realization" happen that fast - she took less than a minute to realize that Poet was never actually an admin? Really? Was she best friends with Poet? Did she know for sure that Poet was never promoted to admin? Or better yet, since Red didn't define why the characters would be who they are, was there any real reason to make her (Graen) posts at all other than to try and support Moridin, but distance herself as well just in case? And here Cyndane comes, bringing up the point again. LMFAO

Check it out kids, then go back and re-read page 8 for a huge laugh.

I can believe that.

Although... Poet isn't admin. Just regular DM staff user group

I got a boat-load of these to post come daylight, and with no real reason to expect to be killed, I can't wait to share them.

Graen, I see you like to bully players. I wonder how well you flail?

heh

I said I wasn't sure how Red, labled characters in a later post. That is the whole reason I didn't switch back to Moridin instantly. When Halima revealed I knew which one was lieing. Also I never had any "great realization" I was just stating my thoughts on thread. I almost bought the "well I wouldn't want to break rule 12 so I won't quote my PM" comment he said because like we have both said I did not know how characters were labled at the time. That is no longer the case.

Also yes I did know that Poet has never been an Admin, there have only been around 10 Admin at most and I'm rounding up.

And you account for a 20 person game exactly how? I believe you just peed down your leg and all over your own logic. You flail real good. *snickers*

I didn't say all players were going to be admin you are skimming, would you like a noose?

There are a boat load of current staff not to mention previous staff. I did however say I am expecting 4 more Admin to be in this.

Just so we have it on record, go ahead and define exactly how you figure this is set up. it's easier to point out your logic wish-wash that way.

Graendal-Mafia · August 16, 2012

try reading, would you like a quote back to where my theories were posted? It said I expected all current admin to be in the game. 2 we know are in the game as scum and Mine is confirmed to me. Halima is claiming Jenn so I expect Jenn to be in the game, however there are 4 more current admin not claimed.

Graendal-Mafia · August 16, 2012

Not to mention, Moridin's flip. Nae just recently stepped down as SG group leader and it said "previous" on the coroner report.

Uh-huh. And you knew that there had never been a former "Poet" admin how?

Your post was either manufactured or extrmemly naive, which does not fit with your bullying ways. But I'd be delighted to hear which one you want it to be now...

Have you ever considered it's not that hard to figure out who current and past Admin and staff are? All current staff would be able to figure it out in seconds. You strike me as someone who does not freaquent DM often.

Graendal-Mafia · August 16, 2012

Finally caught up! My thoughts for now...A lot of interesting things went down. Still don't know if having Halima step up to reveal Moridin's fib was a good idea in the long run but it was her decision and it's done....and we did nab a scum on day one!! so it's sort of bitter sweet triumph.

I agree with Graendal on her theory about the roles. I also noticed Moridin's slip in my reread and since I know the names of pretty much most of the admins the site has seen it did catch my eye (though it bears no relevance now lol). BUT, her noticing and voicing it right after Moridin's "reveal" + her very own reveal has made me lean considerably towards Graendal being town.

I still stick to the same sentiment of day 1 and my vote is going right back to SH on day 2. I've not seen anything to change my mind in regards to him. If nothing else, every post he makes makes me believe even more that he's scum. The dynamics between him and Moridin was odd at best. Moridin did overly defend SH for not apparent reason but when the votes shifted towards Moridin's direction then SH was trying to defend him as well. Couple that with my feeling that SH was being instructed on how to repair his error when he mis-posted (heh, made up a word!)... and you got yourself another scum in the bag.

This post made me crack-up - brownie-hound much? Check out Graen's posts below...they are 1 minute apart. I don't know that I've ever seen a "sudden realization" happen that fast - she took less than a minute to realize that Poet was never actually an admin? Really? Was she best friends with Poet? Did she know for sure that Poet was never promoted to admin? Or better yet, since Red didn't define why the characters would be who they are, was there any real reason to make her (Graen) posts at all other than to try and support Moridin, but distance herself as well just in case? And here Cyndane comes, bringing up the point again. LMFAO

Check it out kids, then go back and re-read page 8 for a huge laugh.

I can believe that.

Although... Poet isn't admin. Just regular DM staff user group

I got a boat-load of these to post come daylight, and with no real reason to expect to be killed, I can't wait to share them.

Graen, I see you like to bully players. I wonder how well you flail?

heh

I said I wasn't sure how Red, labled characters in a later post. That is the whole reason I didn't switch back to Moridin instantly. When Halima revealed I knew which one was lieing. Also I never had any "great realization" I was just stating my thoughts on thread. I almost bought the "well I wouldn't want to break rule 12 so I won't quote my PM" comment he said because like we have both said I did not know how characters were labled at the time. That is no longer the case.

Also yes I did know that Poet has never been an Admin, there have only been around 10 Admin at most and I'm rounding up.

And you account for a 20 person game exactly how? I believe you just peed down your leg and all over your own logic. You flail real good. *snickers*

I didn't say all players were going to be admin you are skimming, would you like a noose?

There are a boat load of current staff not to mention previous staff. I did however say I am expecting 4 more Admin to be in this.

Just so we have it on record, go ahead and define exactly how you figure this is set up. it's easier to point out your logic wish-wash that way.

I have already stated my theories I will not go back and quote them.

Asmodean-Mafia · August 16, 2012

Actually, my point is that you are using the rules that you have created to play the game by. That's scummish.

Red never gave a code, and game characters are usually just flavor.

But you jump in, bully up a storm, and start in on FOS'ing players based on crap you manufactured. That's scummish.

I've absolutely considered who current and past admin are. And I've considered that it would be terribly unbalanced to rest a piece of the game on that info, as not all players would be privy to that info. So now we know two things: You're past/present admin. You play scummish.

Be delighted to see how you want to spin this one.

August 17, 2012

Check out Graen's posts below...they are 1 minute apart. I don't know that I've ever seen a "sudden realization" happen that fast - she took less than a minute to realize that Poet was never actually an admin? Really? Was she best friends with Poet? Did she know for sure that Poet was never promoted to admin? Or better yet, since Red didn't define why the characters would be who they are, was there any real reason to make her (Graen) posts at all other than to try and support Moridin, but distance herself as well just in case? And here Cyndane comes, bringing up the point again. LMFAO

I don't see anything wrong with Graendal's posts there. Thinking aloud in thread happens all the time. Besides which, I'm not sure how fast you think sudden realizations should happen...

Actually Halima, it is less likely that someone will defend their scummate and link the two obviously together as that is a horrible move. Usually, people will just bus them and vote for them. It is way more likely that they will attatch themselves to tow. to look like town, and I think Graendal has already admitted this.

You have me convinced. Actually, you don't. Of course you would say that. Save your breath.

It's not horrible play to defend a teammate (though it is possible to do a horrible job of doing that, which is what Moridin seems to have done). Mafiosi can't really afford to let their teammates die - there are so few of them. Bussing is something that happens if you don't really have a choice and just want to salvage something from the lynch. If, as you argue, it's usual play for mafia to make it look like a townie is their teammate so that when they're lynched the townie will look scummy, that's a severely roundabout way of getting a townie lynched. It's like deciding to cunningly assassinate somebody by first shooting yourself in the head.

Graendal-Mafia · August 17, 2012

I know non staff that would know the majority of staff past and present. Not that your first piece of "info" was really an attack.

I don't see where it's scummy to look at who would be in the game, it's just like any other themed game, the info is there you just have to find it.

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