who will link with Rand?

[OptimusPrime]

Probably bad things. I just felt the need to point out the flaw in the logic excluding her from the party. If her expertise is deemed to be helpful, there is nothing stopping them from using her. Nyn initiates, draws Cyndane in, binds her in air, passes control to Rand, commence destruction.

 

There I added some air binding.

 

The flaw in the logic of excluding her? What about the logic of including her if you can't even trust her not to knife your liver.

It's true they could just bind her up

 

Exactly. Just like chuck said. You can trust her not to do it because she cant do it if shes bound can she?

 

(btw chuck thumbs up on the Air binding. Although it would likely include a gag because Lanfear probably couldnt keep her composure if bound, shed be screaming like hell... Rand should do the binding and comment on how something so simple was still so useful)

 

, but then why include her at all? So we can get descriptions of her now very amble bosoms heaving against bonds of Air?

 

Who's complaining? The more something is referenced in the books the more likely it is to appear in the films! :p Seriously though, Cyndane being forced into a circle would feel as appropriate as Moghedien being collared by Nynaeve and used in the fight against Rahvin. I dont mean appropriate as in good treatment for a villain, I mean the a'dam situation worked fine. Cyndane being Compelled to reveal information about the Bore and then made to contribute as well, while I personally dont think it will happen I dont see anything wrong with the idea, there are plenty of ways it could happen. Why include her at all, feels like an odd question considering that she MADE the Bore.

 

A person not trusted to move around you could not be trusted to do anything, much less describe what to do about the bore.

Perhaps she was there for her raw strength? Yet, there are (now) more powerful women in the WoT, certainly even minor walk on Talaan would be more trusted, or Rand could just extend the circle.

 

 

Ok hows this one for whacko. Lets say Rand Sedai is in this circle with Cyndane. Now, Rands had plenty of experience with feeling other peoples emotions, hes got the bonds and has experienced circles before and in circles you can sense other peoples mental states to a degree as well IIRC. So Rand Sedai, in his all new archtype all seeing zen mode, would be an awesome perspective to show Lanfear from. Lets say he can sense her emotions in this circle. For one thing he would have some judgement to make on weighing her words against what he feels in her via the circle. Do you see what I mean? This would be Lews Therins wisdom with Rands experience... like TGS but with Lews Therins wisdom instead of Moridins nastiness. Rand could not only force her to contribute as a typical "haha good guy gets one over on bad guy" thing, but he could also use it to get a look into her mind and get past what shes actually said to him to make a real judgement call even a good actress/temptress couldnt hide from. So thats why Rand might involve her

 

Look at it this way. That bit at the end of ToM with Cyndane and Rand might very well be the planting of a seed where Rand later on has her captive... and because hes Lews Therin and that at the end of ToM happened, a new curiosity in Lanfear has awakened in Rand Therin Sedai... so he lets her in this circle to see whether or not she really loved him as Lews Therin... emotional trap? If she pulled that off, made him think she really did love him, then he might give her a second chance, undo the flows of Air that bind her, allowing her to stab him in the ribs.... So thats how she could exploit the situation. The seed has already been planted

 

Cyndane being in a circle with Rand would be an awesome thing.

[birtikidis]

Wouldn't that be something if it were Lanfear. I love the thought of redemption within the series and wouldn't that be the ultimate? Her being there during the boring into the prison and being there for the resealing is intriguing to me. We've seen it on a small scale (wasn't it Ingtar who was a darkfriend?) Her strength wouldn't have any real consequence while linked.

[DPT24]

Egwene and Rand aren't on good terms, but I could easily see Callandor being Rand, Nyneave, and Egwane.

[b3arz3rg3r]

Wouldn't that be something if it were Lanfear. I love the thought of redemption within the series and wouldn't that be the ultimate? Her being there during the boring into the prison and being there for the resealing is intriguing to me. We've seen it on a small scale (wasn't it Ingtar who was a darkfriend?) Her strength wouldn't have any real consequence while linked.

 

The redemption aspect is one of the reasons why I suggested her. If her desire for rescue is sincere helping seal the bore would be proper repayment. Besides she's the one who knows best how the drilling of the bore was originally accomplished and the one who might offer Rand some vital information how to close it again. Afterall we can hardly expect Min to figure out what kind of weave he needs to use.

And finally it would explain why she was kept in the story. Her Cyndane persona has been neglectible so far. She needs to do something important or there would be no point in reincarnating her. RJ didn't keep her around so he could rehash her efforts at seducing Rand and I doubt her being the female leader of the drill team was just an unimportant tidbit RJ put out there for the fun of it.

 

Egwene and Rand aren't on good terms, but I could easily see Callandor being Rand, Nyneave, and Egwane.

 

Easier to trust a Forsaken than to trust Egwene. A Forsaken atleast is motivated by self-interest which makes him or her easier to handle. Egwene however is motivated by the interest of the WT and that makes her unmanageable.

[Duskfire]

Easier to trust a Forsaken than to trust Egwene. A Forsaken atleast is motivated by self-interest which makes him or her easier to handle. Egwene however is motivated by the interest of the WT and that makes her unmanageable.

 

Egwene at the very least isnt psychotic and doesnt have a tendacy to attempt to kill the good guys. She at least wants the DO to be beaten and some form of peace existing afterwards. Lanfear can be handled about as well as a diver handling a Great White Shark while wearing a freshly slaughtered seal as a suit. You could never ever trust her, ever. Even if she swore against the Dark One, I cant see Rand trusting her period. Even if you did bind her in the air, who knows what potential secrets she has for getting out of things like that. She probably doesnt, but you could never ever know. Not to mention, being mindtrapped isnt going to help.

 

There are chanelers around who are almost as powerful and arent likely to stab someone in the back. Alivia for instance could easily fill that role. Heck even Cadsuane isnt some small fry.

[b3arz3rg3r]

Easier to trust a Forsaken than to trust Egwene. A Forsaken atleast is motivated by self-interest which makes him or her easier to handle. Egwene however is motivated by the interest of the WT and that makes her unmanageable.

 

Egwene at the very least isnt psychotic and doesnt have a tendacy to attempt to kill the good guys. She at least wants the DO to be beaten and some form of peace existing afterwards. Lanfear can be handled about as well as a diver handling a Great White Shark while wearing a freshly slaughtered seal as a suit. You could never ever trust her, ever. Even if she swore against the Dark One, I cant see Rand trusting her period. Even if you did bind her in the air, who knows what potential secrets she has for getting out of things like that. She probably doesnt, but you could never ever know. Not to mention, being mindtrapped isnt going to help.

 

There are chanelers around who are almost as powerful and arent likely to stab someone in the back. Alivia for instance could easily fill that role. Heck even Cadsuane isnt some small fry.

 

You didn't understand my point. The Forsaken can be trusted to act a certain way. They'll betray you if there is the slightest opening and they can also be trusted to cling to life with every fibre of their being. If the only hope they have is Rand's success they'll work for him, no matter how unwillingly. Because the alternative of facing the wrath of the DO is worse. Egwene however has different views on how victory is to be accomplished and she won't hesitate to act on them. She wouldn't even regard it as a betrayal.

Or like Asmodean said the Forsaken are like a man clinging to the edge of a cliff unwilling to let go even as the bushels of grass in his hands are ripping free, Egwene on the other hand would probably let go thinking she could learn to fly before she hit the bottom.

 

Obviously there are better alternatives in terms of trustworthiness than the Forsaken, but Egwene isn't one of them, atleast not for Rand.