[Basic Mafia] Firefly: Alliance Intervention- Night 2

[Tanaus]

unless you are talking about something i have missed, i have defended myself twice now, didn't think i had to keep saying the same thing.

[csarmi]

Well, as for how things stand now.

 

We do have a doctor alive right now, so at least I cannot be NK'd, which is a good thing, as I can keep on investigating. Which doesn't seem to help much.

We only have 5 townies to 3 maffia, however, so we need to start lynching scum. While I agree with Phelix that it might be hard, I think it's not that hard, if a good case is made on an actual scum, it should go through.

 

We do need to do something, however. Instead of sinking down into this inactivity.

 

How much time do we have left? We're supposed to have 72h days, but the opening post says weekend counts as half. What does that mean?

[mottlee]

it means that with the weekend in day 3 it's gonna last 96 hrs so 4 days instead of 3. don't know how that transfers to real time as i'm a different time zone but i thinks we have like 31 or so hours left. don't take my word for it tho cause i could be totally wrong. if i'm not totally off then this day phase will end 1 am monday my time (east coast australia)

[danneric]

I really dont pay attention to the time i just try to investigate everyones post to see who the scum are. as i was rereading day 2 i came across tinas post before she was lynched. she said somthing against tanaus and what do you know she got lynched, does that seem kind of strange to you. she was the first to be against tanaus and she was the first to be lynched. kinda strange (i know i said that already) but its true. thats my pennys worth make of it what you wish.

[Reyn]

Tanaus did aid in the lynch against Tina, but he was not the only one on the bandwagon. We have to assume there was at least one mafia on the lynch (I mean, why wouldn't they want to see an innocent lynched?) but saying that he caused the lynch seems a little drastic to me. I could see your point if she had been night-killed, but as a lynch there were at least a few townsfolk that agreed that she came off scummy (myself included) and might provide information. E now have less reason to believe Csarmi is scum (though still certainly unconfirmed). However Csarmi I really have to say it just rubs me so wrong that you keep saying that the doctor IS protecting you. Not that he/she is probably protecting you.

 

As for who to lynch at this point... I'm so stuck. I'm hoping to spend some time re-reading our nine or ten pages of posts some time before deadline, maybe then I'll have something substantial to add. Til then I welcome opinions from everyone else.

[Phelix]

I'm stuck on who to vote for as well. I've read over the thread again and again, and no one is leaping out as scum other than Csarmi.

 

The quieter people do sit poorly with me. Mottlee, Arlow, and Deadly... you're being very quiet. Quiet people worry me... especially in this kind of game, where our only window into who to vote for is what a person says.

 

I'm leaning towards one of the three of you to put forward for today's controlled lynch.

 

 

[Reyn]

Phelix, isn't Tynaal tied with Mottlee for Gavin the least number of posts?

 

I'm curiou as to why you would leave her off in your post about lurkers being scummy.....

[Reyn]

Phelix, isn't Tynaal tied with Mottlee for Gavin the least number of posts?

 

I'm curious as to why you would leave her off in your post about lurkers being scummy.....

[Reyn]

Lord I hate my phone sometimes. Double post and still didn't get all my words right.

 

Having** not Gavin

[csarmi]

How much time do we have left?

 

I'm really uncomfortable about disclosing my information, but, as things stand now, I'll have to take intitiative sooner or later.

Currently a random lynch gives us 1/8 chance to lose instantly (doctor dies), 4/8 chance to have a really low chance of surviving the night (if the doctor - finally - makes a save) and 3/8 chance to have a scum die and live on. Not the brightest future.

 

I really wish we had more information to rely on, or activity, at least. Here we are at the most important turn in the game and activity level is about zero.

 

Next time we play this setup, we might as well toll the dice everyday and save all this talk. Yea, I'm upset.

[csarmi]

*roll

 

Now, Phelix, you used to be so active and know so well who is what. So. Who do you think we should lynch and why?

[Phelix]

Reyn,

 

I left Tynaal off the list because when I looked through the thread, even though she didn't have very many posts, the ones she did have were very long. She has a couple of replies where she answers the thoughts and concerns of the group, brings up her own, and interacts in a way the three I mentioned didn't. She doesn't talk frequently, but when she does, she involves herself in the conversation. Arlow did post one reply similar in nature, but that was only calling out the scummy behavior of Csarmi, other than that, he hasn't really conversed.

 

*shrug* Not a perfect system, but it's what I was thinking.

 

Csarmi,

 

I still think we should lynch you. The scummiest person around, but that's not going to happen this turn, so I'm looking at other candidates. The three I mentioned are worrisome to me, but that's not enough to base a lynch off of.

 

I'm still looking and thinking, so don't rush to any judgments yet.

 

Aemon's last post was at 8:47am my time on the 17th. It's now 1:01pm on the 19th, my time. Meaning 52 hours have passed since he posted that we have 72 hours. I think that means our deadline is fast approaching... unless the weekends are 1/2 days really applies. It didn't seem to last weekend.

 

20 hours?

[Phelix]

I just realized how contradictory those last two statements were. *smacks head*

 

Don't rush to judgment based on my opinions... but we do need to make a decision soon... so a little rushing is in order.

[csarmi]

Phelix, we don't have the luxury of lynching one more civilian as an experiment. As you may recall, I did go on with lynching Tina so that we get information (even though I thought she wasn't scummy, TBH, all she did in the game was pointing out basic maffia logic and making a good case on Tanaus).

 

Now, however, we must be extra careful. Not only do we have to lynch a maffia member, we also can't start voting on a non-scum because the maffia does have a voting block of three.

 

In any case, we will have to act.

 

Now if you're so convinced I'm scum, go ahead and lynch me. But ask yourself this first:

 

What is the real cop doing then? Why is Csarmi unchallenged? The cop should have viewed him, no? Why not screaming scum then? Especially now, when the town hardly has anything to lose.

 

So, as you said, I shouldn't be lynched afterall? Fine. Let's find a good target then.

Can't anyone out there make a good case on someone?

 

I do have a 'worst case plan', but that needs everyone's agreement and no better than roulette. Maybe, just maybe, we aren't that desperate now.

[Phelix]

Csarmi,

 

I didn't say we should lynch someone experimentally, but in case you haven't noticed, people are not posting that much. There's very little evidence laying around.

 

I do still think we should lynch you, but as I said before, I don't think I could get enough support for that. If the real cop had viewed you and screamed scum, it wouldn't take much to convince me... but other players might want more than a he-said-he-said. If the real cop called you out, it would then turn into a debate of who the rest of the town could trust more.

 

So, the lack of a real cop contradicting your claim proves absolutely nothing. Other than the fact that the real cop can't find the scum either.

 

The only person in the game right now who has a good case against them is you.

 

That's the problem we've run into. Tina laid out a weak case against Tanaus before we lynched her... we could take her line of thinking up, but I don't agree with it. That would still be lynching someone mostly at random. Alternatively, we could lynch one of the quiet people... but that would again be lynching mostly at random. Reyn has been posting fairly frequently, but she isn't giving off a scummy vibe to me. Do you think Reyn is scummy? Would you like to lynch her? Tynaal? Again... she hasn't done anything I think screams scum... so lynching either of them would be lynching at random. After that, it's just me... I certainly don't think I'm scum. Would scum tell the only claiming cop to view them? Not just once, but twice?

 

We really don't have much to go on, but we need to make a decision. So, that decision can be based on removing people from the pool and then random selection, or it can be truly random. That is why, for my own thoughts, I've removed myself, Tynaal, Reyn, and Tanaus (for now). And then I removed you, because again I don't think I could get the support right now to lynch you. I think it would be the right decision, but I'm alone in that. That leaves us with Arlow, Mottlee, and Deadly.

 

Arlow is a murky one, who played quite a bit more earlier in the game, and questioned your claim of being cop. Based on my belief that you're scum that is a point against Arlow being scum... but only one.

 

Mottlee... there isn't much argument here.

 

Deadly. Really, it's not Deadly's actions that make me suspect him, but rather Aemon's. Deadly died as a vanilla townie, but was then brought back to fill a role that had been abandoned. So, that means the role he filled was important in some way. Either a powered townie or scum, IMO. On top of that, Deadly made the comment that he'd better be quiet this time around so the Mafia doesn't kill him. Either that was a sincere comment, a comment that goes against the only way to win the game as pointed out by Reyn at the time, or it was an ironic comment. Perhaps Deadly knew he was now Mafia himself and so wouldn't be killed for talking... by them. His continued quietness does worry me. Most of Deadly's recent posts have been rather fluffy in content. He questioned Tanaus for supporting lynching Tina... before that he questioned Tina for attacking Tanaus to divert attention from herself... before that, he did question Csarmi... but came down on the side that we shouldn't lynch Csarmi.

 

These are my thoughts so far. What do other people think?

[csarmi]

At the moment, the most suspicious targets for me are Reyn and Tynaal. Yes, that also means I didn't view them.

 

I do agree with you that Deadly changed his playstyle. What reason did he have for that?

 

This, and I'd really love to see Arlow, Reyn and Tynaal give an analysis. You guys should be experienced players. What do you think?

[csarmi]

I don't think Aemon's actions make Deadly suspicious. If a player does not post during the first day, he should be replaced. As Deadly was Vanilla, he had no insider information of any kind, so he could play the replacement. That's all there is to it, I'm sure.

 

Also, the latest time to make the replacement is during the first night, else we would know that that the one being replaced posted no NA's.

[Tanaus]

this game makes my head hurt. i agree with you phelix that CS is scummy but without another cop stepping i am not gonna vote him, and deadlys actions have been questionable. phelix and reyn just doesn't send me the scummy vibe. and mottlee and arlow have been too quite for comfort. sorry i don't really have anything to add, just giving my opinion

[Reyn]

CS - I have to wonder why you would pull out myself and Tynaal as suspicious? Saying that only we two are suspicious would have to imply that the others have already been viewed, and as I know you can't have viewed all of them in the few nights we've had, plus knowing there are likely more than two mafia (I assume three based on the game setup) then I have to wonder why myself and Tynaal?

 

I have no analysis thus far because I haven't had the time to take a good re-read through and as I've stated before, nothing stands out enough that I can recall other than your scummy appearance. So right now I'm trying to grab for what is going on NOW, which is that very few people are posting - I feel like the mafia are hiding back because they are so close to a win that they don't wanna screw it up by saying the wrong thing or getting noticed. I feel like at this point in the game it might be a good idea to look closer at those few.

[danneric]

I'm stuck on who to vote for as well. I've read over the thread again and again, and no one is leaping out as scum other than Csarmi.

 

The quieter people do sit poorly with me. Mottlee, Arlow, and Deadly... you're being very quiet. Quiet people worry me... especially in this kind of game, where our only window into who to vote for is what a person says.

 

I'm leaning towards one of the three of you to put forward for today's controlled lynch.

If you actually look at my other post recently and the times i have on average you will see that i am on at around 11:30pm every night. the reason for that is because my mom took my computer away and i have to sneak out at nght to get it. and in my earlier posts i was on more frequently. I would have been on but as i said my mom took my computer away

 

Csarmi,

 

Deadly. Really, it's not Deadly's actions that make me suspect him, but rather Aemon's. Deadly died as a vanilla townie, but was then brought back to fill a role that had been abandoned. So, that means the role he filled was important in some way. Either a powered townie or scum, IMO. On top of that, Deadly made the comment that he'd better be quiet this time around so the Mafia doesn't kill him. Either that was a sincere comment, a comment that goes against the only way to win the game as pointed out by Reyn at the time, or it was an ironic comment. Perhaps Deadly knew he was now Mafia himself and so wouldn't be killed for talking... by them. His continued quietness does worry me. Most of Deadly's recent posts have been rather fluffy in content. He questioned Tanaus for supporting lynching Tina... before that he questioned Tina for attacking Tanaus to divert attention from herself... before that, he did question Csarmi... but came down on the side that we shouldn't lynch Csarmi.

 

These are my thoughts so far. What do other people think?

The reason why i think we shouldn't lynch CS is because no one has even put up a good argument on him not being the cop. Even though his posts are incredibly scummie and i would vote for him i really dont want to question and lose the help of a cop. i i also questioned tina because why would someone at 4 posts start to "jab" a finger at someone. My thinking is that originaly she was trying to investigate him before she was lynched. Now that she was lynched though her investigtion dies with her. Also i am not saying i thought she was the cop im saying she was questioning Tan for awhile.

 

now I really hate not posting more but if im still on by monday i will be posting more because i have school and can get on the computer in the morning and around noon so thats without queston.

[danneric]

In the bold i said that because in my V_1 Deadly it was probaly because of me posting an average amount and not saying what i was going to do Im still not sure if i was right to say that but thats what i feel like so i cant change it.

 

I hate losing my train of thought Arghh

[murf2011]

This, and I'd really love to see Arlow, Reyn and Tynaal give an analysis. You guys should be experienced players. What do you think?

 

Why should we be experienced players?

 

Phelix, we don't have the luxury of lynching one more civilian as an experiment. As you may recall, I did go on with lynching Tina so that we get information (even though I thought she wasn't scummy, TBH, all she did in the game was pointing out basic maffia logic and making a good case on Tanaus).

 

If you think that she made a good case, why not vote for Tanaus to get the process started? I think he acted sxummy with the vote on CS, but I don't think he's scum ( could be totally wrong). I explained why my amount of posts declined earlier, but over the weekend, I read through the 10ish pages of this game, aand this jumped out at me.

 

wait until you have substantial evidence before declaring stuff, Could help you in the future, Csarmi

 

It just sounds weird to me.. Sure, he could just be trying to help, but that's what our Mentors are for. Seems to me he may have replaced a non-active Mafia member, and got told that CS is playing us...

[csarmi]

CS - I have to wonder why you would pull out myself and Tynaal as suspicious? Saying that only we two are suspicious would have to imply that the others have already been viewed, and as I know you can't have viewed all of them in the few nights we've had, plus knowing there are likely more than two mafia (I assume three based on the game setup) then I have to wonder why myself and Tynaal?

 

That's correct. There were two nights only. I did not mean to imply that I viewed everyone else :)

I do have my reasons to think you are suspicious. If you guys want me to, I'll make my cases later.

[csarmi]

Why should we be experienced players?

 

I've asked my mentor on who is experienced and she gave your name as people who played several times here.

 

If you think that she made a good case, why not vote for Tanaus to get the process started? I think he acted sxummy with the vote on CS, but I don't think he's scum ( could be totally wrong). I explained why my amount of posts declined earlier, but over the weekend, I read through the 10ish pages of this game, aand this jumped out at me.

 

Several players had been trying to link my alignment to Tina's. While my instinct told me that Tina should be a townie, I thought I should play it safe. In retrospect, this might have been a mistake, but I wasn't sure at the time. There was (and still there is) a good chance of Tanaus not being scum either.

 

BTW, even when Tina died I wasn't 100% sure if she was a brilliant maffia player (trying to frame me) or a very good and helpful townie player.

[Phelix]

What I've heard so far, is a willingness to vote Deadly or Tanaus.

 

Does someone want to start voting? I'm unsure as to who to vote for, but we are running out of time... unless we want to wait and let Aemon kill one of us off.