True Power Vs. the Light ????

[murali284]

I know im digressing here, but have any of you noticed that there are to halves to th true power, there is the type usually used by ishaemel which is the same as the taint on saidin. THere is also the other type which is akin to the type on shadar logoth. which is why the two wounds on rands side are different types of evil. This implies that the Dark one is not the only evil one in the world this could possily mean that because the two evils are split, using both saidin and saidar together is enough to ovrcome the dark one.

[RobertAlexWillis]

Um .........

 

 

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...... no I hadn't noticed that .... would you mind explaining?

[murali284]

Actually this should be the subjct for another thread. When the dark one breaks free, the presence of all three taveren will bind Shaitan to the pattern. He can then use saidin and saidar to weave balefire (there has to be a reason why the creator created balefire) to burn the physically bound into non existence into whatever appropriate timeframe. The dark one as a supernatural entity may not be totally bound to the pattern. But wanting to escape his most potent aspects may be bound as such. Hence when the bound parts are burnt away what is left is the part which was not able to be bound. This would be the part of himself(herself) that is still bound in the prison.

 

Disclaimer: this is not ver well taught through but the seed ide is:

1. there is possibly a form of greater balefire which uses both saidin and saidar

2.that the presence of al three taveren together must force the dark one into the pattern so that he is a part of it and cannot affect it like he did when he was outside the pattern

[RobertAlexWillis]

When the dark one breaks free, the presence of all three taveren will bind Shaitan to the pattern.

 

The dark one as a supernatural entity may not be totally bound to the pattern.

 

Huh?

 

I'm genuinely not trying to be insulting, I just honestly can't follow what you're trying to say there ....

 

there is possibly a form of greater balefire which uses both saidin and saidar

 

What? Again, nothing personal, but there is absolutely nothing to indicate that.

 

that the presence of al three taveren together must force the dark one into the pattern so that he is a part of it and cannot affect it like he did when he was outside the pattern

 

I really don't think that can happen.

[Luckers]

There are not two halves of the True Power. The Taint on saidin has nothing to do with the True Power--the descriptions are completely different, plus we know that the forsaken are protected from the taint too, indicating it is as hurtful to them as it is to everyone else. Moreover the taint can neither be channeled, nor is it addictive in any way and the long term effects of the taint completely mismatch that of the True Power.

 

The evil of the Dark One and that of Shadar Logoth are diametrically opposed. That is why the taint and Shadar Logoth destroyed each other, and why the two wounds in Rand's side fight each other.

[murali284]

in winters heart, at shadar logoth, rand felt the "taint in saidin beating in time with the first wound (given by ishy) at his side but counterpoint to the second dagger wound (from fain.)"

 

Firstly it is quite obvious that rands first wound is caused by the true power. since iot bats in time with the taint they must be of the same essence. Thus far expressions the true power seem to be of the same essence as the taint which are of shaitan's essence.

 

THere is another type of power: namely the one from from shadar logoth. It is a power as it causes real damage. It is definitely evil. It cannot be a dilution of the type of poer that comes from shaitan's essence. It has to be different from shaitan yet just as evil as it always works against shaitan. Hence it can possibly be classified as a type of true power since it is not the one power. It can hence be said that there are two types of true power.

 

Finally it can also be observed that saidin and saidar also work against and synergise wit each other.

[Luckers]

Of course Rand wound and the taint on saidin are of the same essense. They were both created from the evil of the Dark One. The Taint and the True Power are two seperate things. The Tain cannot be channeled, they just have roots in the same evil.

 

And the evil in shadar logoth is in no way connected to that, nor is it a channeleable.