[Themed] AVATAR Mafia Game Thread - GAME ON

[Guest Rahvin-Mafia]

I thought for sure either Lanfear was fake role claiming or Asmodean was at least mafia. Now I don't know what to think.

 

Yes, DM is quite. I think the book has something to do with it. Not to mention the wonderful crash it had. I best do a re-read before I vote.

 

Playing the confused act. Also throws in a reread comment. Both are scumtells in this context.

 

 

Honestly I think the mafia made a mistake killing Asmodean. I mean he was up next in my book for a day two lynch. With them killing him off now we are left to wonder what they are up to. Maybe we have newbies in the mafia and they have no clue. Atleast when I am mafia I know I wouldn't kill off a suspicious character. I would let the town have at them.

 

Comments on the mafia kill. Usually a scumtell.

 

 

So, Sammael you think it is scummy of me to make fun of the mafia. Yes, they could have had a reason, but honestly he was our best vote for a lynch today. Are you trying to set me up because you are offended at what I said about the mafia because you are in fact mafia? Then there is Rahvin who says I am dropping scum tells right and left yet doesn't really mention what they are. Oh, I am an experienced player. I often poke fun at the mafia when they do something I think is dumb. I can't see where they would think he was the Avatar. I mean seriously he is a noob and couldn't even follow the simple rules laid out by the mod. Oh, he deserved to die, but I would have let the town do it.

I am sorry we lost two townies, but until they died I honestly thought they were both scum. Lynch me too and you will clearly find out I am town, but wait that is exactly what the mafia wants.

Because of the votes on me I want you all to play very close attention to those that just jump the bandwagon without really saying much. You will find your mafia team there. Sammael for setting it up and Rahvin for not being specific. Not sure about Shaidar Haran's vote.

I was having issues accessing DM that is why I have not been posting a lot, but oh my you will read scum in that I am sure. I mean I could say the sky is blue and you will read a scum tell in it if you are mafia. Get real people.

 

Vote Sammael

 

not an OMGUS, but rather I think you are really trying to make a case to lynch someone you know is innocent because you are mafia.

 

Panics with 3 votes on him and points the finger at those with votes on him. Also, his indecision about Shaidar Haran is interesting given that he was willing to brand me as mafia for very little.

 

Conclusion:

 

Mordeth has played a few games and thinks this makes him experienced. His rawness, however, shows in his scummy behavior. My top mafia suspects right now are Taim, Mordeth, Shaidar Haran, and Demandred.

[Osangar-Mafia]

No, Belal, sweetie. I have no sympathy for "lazy buggers." It was merely a poor excuse to not read the game after committing to play. I don't wanna; you do it for me.

[Osangar-Mafia]

I disagree on comments on the kill being an auto scum tell. It's necessary to attempt to extrapolate a rhyme or reason to know what you face. So really, it depends on the type of comment made.

[Balthamel-Mafia]

I am here, though I have been ill over the weekend; still, I apologize to both the players & Kivam for this.

 

I have concluded my re-read of this game, and this is what I’ve found thus far. I focused on many areas of interest during my re-read, so I shall outline them for you. Due to the size of this, I will be breaking my conclusion up into three separate posts. Enjoy!

 

First is

 

Lanfear

 

In post [ur]=http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/52612-themed-avatar-mafia-game-thread-game-on/page__view__findpost__p__1651553]#22[/url] Shaidar Haran places a 3rd vote on Lear, both without reason and officially starting a bandwagon on her.

 

In post #43 Halima begins to throw suspicion onto Lanfear, by suggesting to her that she is being defensive about only having 3 posts on her.

 

Mesaana’s post here seems to be slightly scummy imo. It helps to affirm Halima’s suspicion that Lanfear is over reacting about the amount of votes on her. While this could be interpreted either way, I thought it worth noting.

 

Mordeth then casts suspicion on Lanfear’s role claim, saying that she must “suffer from premature revealing” when she was at L-4. He then separates himself by a vote on Asmodean fo no reason other than a gut feeling.

 

Halima effectively casts suspicion on Lanfears role claim as a perfect cover for Mafia. This can be interpreted both ways, but is worth noting considering Lanfear corner report.

 

Ishamael’s vote is by far the most scummy in my opinion, as he gives no reason for his vote even though there has been plenty of information discussed at this point and officially puts Lanfear at L-3. I believe this vote is what sealed Lanfears fate of being lynched because of the sheer length Day 1 had gone and that she was in fact L-3.

 

Mordeth then does a reluctant vote on Lanfear, claiming he was intending to vote for her to begin. He also hints at thinking she’s innocent by indicating he believes she could be telling the truth, but is voting for her to move the game along.

 

Aginor while adding nothing to the conversation, officially aligns himself with Lanfear by proclaiming his belief of her being innocent. While this does appear to be a scum maneuver, it would have implied much more if he would have actually cast a vote or even participated in the discussion before she was lynched.

[Balthamel-Mafia]

Second is

 

 

Asmodean

 

In post #50 Sammel effectively distances himself from the Lanfear bandwagon and begins to cast suspicion onto Asmodean.

 

Demandred points a slight FOS to Asmodean for his vote placement on Lanfear, yet he also leaves FOS open ended by not casting his vote and claiming that maybe the vote on Lanfear was a joke-vote.

 

Taim is FOSing both Lanfear & Asmodean at this point, but decides to vote for Asmodean with no other reason except for “At this point I’m sort of believing Lanfear”.

 

Mordeth believes that Asmodean is the most scummiest player, but is voting for Lanfear to ensure a majority lynch even though there is no deadline. This seems odd, especially with a deadline not being an issue; why not argue for Asmodeans lynch instead of putting a person you believe to be innocent to the lynch?

 

The same accusation stands for Sammel. he also feels that Asmodean is the scummiest player out of the two, yet instead of arguing this point he hammers Lanfear ensuring that she is lynched.

 

This post from Mordeth is rather interesting. He turns his focus onto Asmodean. He does 3 things, points to the annoyance over Asmodean not being able to separate his personal account from the alt account (a point cited by Osangar as a possible reason for a NK on Asmodean), accuses Asmodean of being defensive with few votes on him, and cites Asmodean as a possible Nk target and of possibly having an important role.

[Balthamel-Mafia]

Other things I’ve found worth noting, is of course these individuals.

 

Halima for her attempt at fishing out players identities from behind the alts. She does this with both Cyndane & Lanfear, asking them, basically, if this is how they normally play.

 

Osangar for brining up the talk concerning the Avatar; I believe enough was said on this Day 1, but is still a point I find slightly scummy. He also becomes rather defensive when people chide him for bringing up this conversations and at one point makes the statement of “the only character I can see having this role is the Avatar” when contemplating Lanfears role claim. With this post he continues to highlight the importance of the Avatar and even attempts to direct the healer by saying “this is what I would do. Once again, this is voicing things that might be better off left unsaid; as we all know the implications that can be brought forth is the Healer limits themselves to the possibility of only healing one player regardless of that players role. He also talks about how playing in other games could effect us, while realizing the metagamming is negated from the use of the Alts in this post.

 

Semirahage for this post. As I said before, I cannot put my finger on it, but something about this post doesn’t sit right with me.

 

Demandred This post catches my eyes for a few reasons. He trys to link Asmodean & Mordeth as teammates with this sentence: “pushing the rules like at a fellow team member”. If Mordeth & Asmodean were team members, surely that would have been done on their Quick Topic board and not on thread. I find this rather interesting.

 

As to the recent events concerning the wagon formed on Mordeth. While I agree that his actions & reactions are scummy, I must say that the aggravated banter between himself & Rahvin is worth noting as well. I do agree that a lynch on either Rahvin or Mordeth would give us the most information today, and considering both present and past actions, I’m more inclined to VOTE: MORDETH.

 

Something else I would like to note is both Shaidar Haran & Aginor. This is twice now that Shaidar Haran has jumped on a bandwagon with no imput as to why; as for Aginor, coupled with his notable quote from day 1, I will claim that he has so far neither helped nor hindered our progress in this game.

[Kivam]

Vote Count

 

Cyndane (2) - Osangar, Mesaana

Graendal (2) - Belal, Taim

Mordeth (4) - Sammael, Shaidar Haran, Rahvin, Balthamel

Sammael (1) - Mordeth

 

Ten to lynch

 

Deadline = Mon at 8

[Osangar-Mafia]

I am happy enough to UNVOTE and switch my VOTE to MORDETH over the comments regarding Asmo's death, due to the encroaching deadline, and some of the things in Balth's notes. Namely, the middle post, last paragraph.

[Osangar-Mafia]

Love the no edits. Wanted to clarify. I think Balthamel may have overstated the case a tad, BUT if Asmo didn't already have a target painted on him, Mordeth did ensue the bullseye became massive and quite contrasting in color.

[alannalynn]

Ehh I'm still mulling over the "Who/Why kill(ed) Asmo" question (haven't finished ToM, either), but that's just me; I have difficulties striving to get everything done like the amazing Osangar.... >.> I need a reread, and desperately before I jump in with a clearer mind to make any qualifications on what's been said. Phone-reading really isn't something you should do, quotes run into quotes which run into more quotes, and it's just a huge mess and you can't type more than a minute without the phone freezing up and not letting you save what you said, then you jaggedly post something that doesn't make sense, and someone's rambling, but I'll be back when I'm happily reread on this thread, which shouldn't be too long.

[Guest Semirhage-Mafia]

First, my lack of posting is due to the holiday season coming up early this year. I work retail and have not had much time off recently. I am still able to participate, but not with a lot of long walls of text. (Also, I will admit, I'm trying to read ToM >.<)

 

Second, I would ask what is interesting about that post that you pointed out Balthamel. I saw it as a simple observation, which is what it was. I see you saying you can't put your finger on it, but then why even mention it?

 

I believe that is both of the posts that mentioned myself, so that being covered...

 

 

I'm a bit amused/intrigued by the banter/poking between Osangar and Belal, but as it's just in the early stages, I will refrain from more comment. And Osangar seems to be poking at several people.

So, Sammael you think it is scummy of me to make fun of the mafia. Yes, they could have had a reason, but honestly he was our best vote for a lynch today. Are you trying to set me up because you are offended at what I said about the mafia because you are in fact mafia? Then there is Rahvin who says I am dropping scum tells right and left yet doesn't really mention what they are. Oh, I am an experienced player. I often poke fun at the mafia when they do something I think is dumb. I can't see where they would think he was the Avatar. I mean seriously he is a noob and couldn't even follow the simple rules laid out by the mod. Oh, he deserved to die, but I would have let the town do it.

I am sorry we lost two townies, but until they died I honestly thought they were both scum. Lynch me too and you will clearly find out I am town, but wait that is exactly what the mafia wants.

Because of the votes on me I want you all to play very close attention to those that just jump the bandwagon without really saying much. You will find your mafia team there. Sammael for setting it up and Rahvin for not being specific. Not sure about Shaidar Haran's vote.

I was having issues accessing DM that is why I have not been posting a lot, but oh my you will read scum in that I am sure. I mean I could say the sky is blue and you will read a scum tell in it if you are mafia. Get real people.

 

Vote Sammael

 

not an OMGUS, but rather I think you are really trying to make a case to lynch someone you know is innocent because you are mafia.

So... This whole post was just one huge over-defensive rant. And then a weak semi-plausible reason for a vote thrown in at the end. For now I need to get in a vote and go to bed, but depending on how things go in the near future of this game, I think I might enjoy making a case on you. And I hate casing people.

 

VOTE MORDETH

[Taim-Mafia]

Following Kiv's note that someone is unable to get on and play I have to consider my vote on "inactive" Graendal could be useless especially if they are the one that cant get on to post. Plus in the light of everyone else piling the votes up on Mordeth it is looking like they are most viable to be lynched unless there are not enough votes by deadline which is not far away now.

 

There are good arguments for this lynch - the comments on Asmo's death and Balth's recent posts to name them.

 

So UNVOTE

 

VOTE MORDETH

[Aginor-Mafia]

VOTE: MORDETH A lynch I can get behind. I agree, his post was overly-defensive and he claims his vote wasn't OMGUS without giving any good reasons for the vote. I'm pretty sure I didn't vote because Lanfear was already basically the lynch and I didn't see the point but it's been a week or so, so I'm not sure.

[Kivam]

Vote Count

 

Cyndane (1) - Mesaana

Graendal (1) - Belal

Mordeth (8) - Sammael, Shaidar Haran, Rahvin, Balthamel, Osangar, Semirhage, Taim, Aginor

Sammael (1) - Mordeth

 

Ten to lynch

 

Deadline = Mon at 8

[Osangar-Mafia]

And Osangar seems to be poking at several people.

Why wouldn’t I? Should I sit quietly and accept every post with nary a question or second thought? *baaaa*

 

I have difficulties striving to get everything done like the amazing Osangar....

*rolls eyes*

 

 

@Balth: I left this until I could properly check out the quotes given.

 

He also becomes rather defensive when people chide him for bringing up this conversations

Because it’s idiotic to not have a game plan to cover our tracks given the mentioned method is an all too easy a way to deduce who the town is protecting. Just like it’s idiotic to assume the mafia wouldn’t have seen it. Come on. You guys are saying they can’t all be newbs, so let’s not pretend they are about this.

 

With thispost he continues to highlight the importance of the Avatar and even attempts to direct the healer by saying “this is what I would do.

This could pose a problem, for the mafia could target her, attempting to eliminate the threat, forcing the healer to choose between the Avatar and Lanfear. You see where I'm going with this?

No because there is no choice there. The avatar must be protected. Unless I missed something?

And that’s scummy? Save the person who’s death would win the game if I were mafia??

 

at one point makes the statement of “the only character I can see having this role is the Avatar” when contemplating Lanfears role claim.

Did I? Where? This one?

Yeah, I’m halfway through season 3. I can’t think of a character, other than the avatar, who has multiple powers. I’m disinclined to believe a jack-of-all trades reveal, at this point.

Yeah, I was dead wrong about it too. If I’d have known about things after the halfway point of season 3, I might not have discounted the character minor though the mechanic was. The mechanic was a good jack of trades who dealt with air, fire, metals. I don’t remember him dealing with water, but he had a good grasp of nearly everything else.

 

he continues to highlight the importance of the Avatar and even attempts to direct the healer by saying “this is what I would do.

I’m sorry? Once again, I don’t get it, I suppose. See, someone else had said the Lanfear reveal would cause the healer to waiver from protecting the avatar. I was making the point that no healer should be so stupid given the win condition. And again, stating another wish to save the avatar at all costs is scummy how?

 

Once again, this is voicing things that might be better off left unsaid; as we all know the implications that can be brought forth is the Healer limits themselves to the possibility of only healing one player regardless of that players role.

Refutation of a sloppy attempt to confuse the healer is better left unsaid? The implications of the healer only healing the one guy who’s death would kill us all… what are those? The healer may leave himself open and buy us one more night/day instead of ending the game right there? It’s kinda in the rules that this is the guy you wanna be protecting.

 

He also talks about how playing in other games could effect us, while realizing the metagamming is negated from the use of the Alts in thispost.

Not what I said. Metagaming can win games. Metagaming isn’t negated by the alts. It is stalled, changed a bit, but not stopped. You can figure out who is in which alt if you know the player well enough which means you should spot their personal tells. They can hide them, but most people start slipping.

 

Again, a refutation of a point (not specifically about metagaming) in regards to how previous games do matter in that they can change how a person views certain actions and stances. What’s this got to do with appearing scummy?

[Ishamael-Mafia]

VOTE MORDETH

 

I must agree, that there are many a things wrong with the defensiveness of you Mordeth, though I don't necessarily wish to be last on a lynch, someone has to yeah?

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

First to explain my recent inactivity: work and other Real Life related issues that have unfortunately propped up and pushed this game to the back of my priorities.

 

Second, reactions.

 

Yup. I'm scummy... total mafia right here....

 

Really? Just because I'm less active then some of you are, and I don't have a zillion hours a day to devote to mafia, but still like to play the game.

 

I was wondering, you don't mind, me asking, Cyndane?

 

I'm afraid your question is lost to me.

 

And, just to poke you...

 

Yup. I'm scummy... total mafia right here....

 

Thank you for being so forward.

 

I dont really know why. I have been trying to put my finger on it but so far its too vague. For reason I just get a bad feeling about Cyndane. Theres something about you thats not sitting well with me atm.

Ill try and figure out what it is but for the moment im going with my gut

 

VOTE CYNDANE

 

Yes, a nice way to avoid having any real evidence (little though there is) and perhaps to draw attention away from someone?

 

Regardless of your true motivation for voting me, I'm glad to have provided a service by unnerving you.

 

Cyndane was stalling. Basically, she's working to solidify yesterday's vague suspicion. How stalling? Refusal to help near a deadline when most people weren't being active. The post fell BEFORE the extension.

 

First, I must admit that you have hit a bit of a truth there. I was stalling. Though not for the same reasons as you seem to think. And I won't delve into them just yet.

 

On the other hand, I don't like it when people try to tell me what I'm saying. But not even that can cramp on my mood today.

 

Now, back to the present:

 

Osangar seems a bit...overzealous, to me. But that's one of the main points in his favor for me. Not that I agree with everything, or anything you say, hon.

 

As for Mordeth v. Rahvin, I've actually been leaning more toward Rahvin, but that's just feeling again, which I abhor using as a reason.

 

And Ishy...you still feel off to me. Not for the hammer, that's necessary and I would have done it if you hadn't. It just seems you never seem to...do anything. Yet you're there for the vote. Just an FYI: I'm taking note of you. Cheers.

[Belal-Mafia]

Hey Kiv is the vote count accurate? It says 9, but there's only 8 names...

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Oh monkey balls, you're right, Be'lal.

 

VOTE MORDETH

[Kivam]

Oh monkey balls, you're right, Be'lal.

 

VOTE MORDETH

 

Vote count was inaccurate, sorry. That's the hammer.

 

Things have been a little hectic around here. And by here, I mean the town. The town where everyone piled on the greatest earthbender of all time!

 

 

Mordeth (Toph), the town's senser of good (and bad) vibrations, has been lynched. Night has fallen.

 

PLEASE E-MAIL ALL NIGHT ACTIONS TO ME BY 8:30 TOMORROW (Akiva.M.Cohen@gmail.com)

[Kivam]

And since Toph is no longer with us, this would be a good time to post this:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_N-BJsfVug&feature=player_embedded

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Well, we really FUBAR'd that one.

[Rita Skeeter]

Go town!

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

fubar indeed.

 

I thought it was Tuesday at 8

[Kivam]

fubar indeed.

 

I thought it was Tuesday at 8

 

Mordeth - email me and I'll reply with the link to the dead thread