[Themed] AVATAR Mafia Game Thread - GAME ON

[Belal-Mafia]

Messy-

 

-Votes Lanny without reason.

-Lanfear reacts and Messy said she voted looking for a reaction.

-Unvotes because of reveal.

-The she starts talking about Mafia bandwagonning (even though she bandwagoned on Lanny too) on Lanny because she has a role. Says my vote is the most suspicious because I was subtley encouraging the vote, but if you guys will look back, I was actually going for her throat and I was actually one of the main people who was outspoken against her (which in hindsite wasn't good *sad face), then votes for me. Also I didn't bandwagon anyone, I was the first vote on Lanny.

-Then she says blatant bandwagoning in one of the few ways to get the game moving Day 1 and isn't really that scummy (isn't that a big contridiction from her previous post?)

-Votes Cyndane 2nd day on a "gut feeling".

-Agrees that pressure should be put on innactives, but then says mafia will pick us off one by one and so she won't do it.

-Still has an off feeling about Cindy.

 

She is also appearing pretty scummy. She contricts herself many times about Lanfear and Bandwagoning. Also voting Cindy because of a feeling is ridiclous and not very helpful for the town. It seems like maybe a throw away vote to not arouse suspicion...

 

Okay done with takin notes, plus this person doesn't have many posts anyway.

 

Knowing most of the people who signed up for this game aren't totally new to it (along with several very experienced players), I am a bit amused by the fact that so many people are looking so closely at who bandwaggoned without reason. I am more intrigued by the people who bandwaggoned WITH reason, especially those very loose reasons that are very easy to talk your way out of later in the game if they are brought up again. Most experienced players know mindless votes will be looked at, but also know not to say too much about thinking a townie is definitely scum. Granted, there could of course be a less experienced mafia team, but this is just something that clicked with me. So many of you are vocalizing looking at the mindless, when you know mafia are going to think through every little step.

 

Comments on what the mafia is doing. Apparently Mafia is smart and not mindless.

As unfortunate as it is that Lanfear was not scum, this does give us an opportunity to look for people who slipped up in their accusations of her. It sucks, she had a potentially handy role if used correctly, but it usually town on Day 1 anyways.

Lanny didn't have a role. She was lying so she didn't get lynch. That was made apparent by Tophs death as there was a power role that was sort of revealed. She also never elaboorated or went after anyone because of Lanny's death.

 

First, my lack of posting is due to the holiday season coming up early this year. I work retail and have not had much time off recently. I am still able to participate, but not with a lot of long walls of text. (Also, I will admit, I'm trying to read ToM >.<)

 

Second, I would ask what is interesting about that post that you pointed out Balthamel. I saw it as a simple observation, which is what it was. I see you saying you can't put your finger on it, but then why even mention it?

 

I believe that is both of the posts that mentioned myself, so that being covered...

 

 

I'm a bit amused/intrigued by the banter/poking between Osangar and Belal, but as it's just in the early stages, I will refrain from more comment. And Osangar seems to be poking at several people.

So, Sammael you think it is scummy of me to make fun of the mafia. Yes, they could have had a reason, but honestly he was our best vote for a lynch today. Are you trying to set me up because you are offended at what I said about the mafia because you are in fact mafia? Then there is Rahvin who says I am dropping scum tells right and left yet doesn't really mention what they are. Oh, I am an experienced player. I often poke fun at the mafia when they do something I think is dumb. I can't see where they would think he was the Avatar. I mean seriously he is a noob and couldn't even follow the simple rules laid out by the mod. Oh, he deserved to die, but I would have let the town do it.

I am sorry we lost two townies, but until they died I honestly thought they were both scum. Lynch me too and you will clearly find out I am town, but wait that is exactly what the mafia wants.

Because of the votes on me I want you all to play very close attention to those that just jump the bandwagon without really saying much. You will find your mafia team there. Sammael for setting it up and Rahvin for not being specific. Not sure about Shaidar Haran's vote.

I was having issues accessing DM that is why I have not been posting a lot, but oh my you will read scum in that I am sure. I mean I could say the sky is blue and you will read a scum tell in it if you are mafia. Get real people.

 

Vote Sammael

 

not an OMGUS, but rather I think you are really trying to make a case to lynch someone you know is innocent because you are mafia.

So... This whole post was just one huge over-defensive rant. And then a weak semi-plausible reason for a vote thrown in at the end. For now I need to get in a vote and go to bed, but depending on how things go in the near future of this game, I think I might enjoy making a case on you. And I hate casing people.

 

VOTE MORDETH

 

Says she hates casing people, but that she is going to enjoy making on on Mordy, which is a very big contridiction. And then she never makes a case.

 

I was rather discomfited by the amount of Avatar talk during Day 1, and I'm glad that's stopped now; anything we say out loud the mafia could grab up and use against us and our goal.

This seems rather odd to point out to me. Obviously the town was a bit on edge about the Avater talk day 1, many players said so, and I saw no reason to bring it back up. However, you are not the only one doing so in your re-read, so even though this stood out to me at first, I realized it's not really a completely valid reason for a vote on its own.

 

Well, since you were all waiting with baited breath (or too hung over to come around :P ), I'll get started on my defininate suspicious list.

 

Semirhage: She stays in the low poster range.

 

She pops onto the scene with an interesting idea about how those voting without a reason rouse less suspicions than those with a reason.

 

She never votes Lanfear and after her death suggests we look at accusers for clues. She never follows this up.

 

She mentions me poking people as a supposed idle comment; similarly, the "banter" with Belal over Halima's "lazy bugger" post. I am curious about these. She never explains her comment about me poking, but it comes off as being a feeler for controversey. When followed up with the Belal comment, this suspicion solidifies. Especially since she is defining banter as Belal belittling me in one sentence and me rolling my eyes at him. Anyway, I want an explanation.

 

She votes Mordeth for overdefensive ranting. Nothing interesting there except that she follows the vote by saying she needs to vote. Umm, why?

I chose not to touch more on your poking people because I have seen the tactic used very well by good players to judge reactions, but didn't want to state it in case I gave away the tactic to less experienced players who may change their reaction knowing you are watching for it. It made sense in my head, but I also did figure you would come back to comment on it eventually.

I want to point out, this is a tactic that some players always use, being town or mafia, so even though I see it as a good tactic, it doesn't say anything for your innocence or lack-there-of. It was just something that I had noticed and commented on.

 

So she makes a comment, but it was supposed to be taken as anything besides something she noticed, but not to be taken as evidence, that goes for her Demmy comment as well.

 

So really Semmy is a lurker and even when she does comment, it's not helpful or hurtful at all and most of the comments she makes she says it was only that and not to be taken as evidence to accuse. Seems suspicious.

 

I'll also make a brief comment on Ossy. I could make many comments, but I'm worn out. I'm not getting a town or Mafia reading on him, but I am getting a bad reading on him. He's a jerk. Upon my reread, I've noticed he has belittled and called many people names. That is definitely not a good tactic, and in fact I can see where it could start taking the fun out of the game. It's nice to debate, but to call someone an idiot or foolish because they don't agrre with you is ri-tarded. (You don't happen to be a democrat by any chance? Gosh I'm funny) Anyway, if you keep going down that road it's going to really piss me off and eventually I probably won't care if you're town or mafia, and I will gun for you. That's a promise. So just think on that one and play nice.

[ShaidarHaran-Mafia]

Firstly, I want to apologize for my inactivity. The transformer in my neighborhood blew twice in the same day. So, that paired with life stuff and the lack of internet access on my phone, I've been vacant from the internet in general.

 

 

Graendal: Low post (think only 1). Virtually no info.

 

......

 

Finally, Shaidar Haran: There was a little more here; not much. Was early on Lanfear vote and Mordeth vote. Both used virtually no reason although on Moridin he did take the time to state agreement with Sammy's post. Will discuss later.

 

 

Graendal would be my first choice for a lynch. After doing a complete re-read I noted that she did not even vote once, though before I thought she had at least been apart of the first day's activities.

 

Now, as far as I'm concerned, it so nice to know that there's not much to me. Yes, it's so very scummy to try and get the ball rolling on day one. I hope you all can feel the sarcasm here, let me know if it needs to be thicker. And you don't appreciate my sentiments on the Mordeth vote? Why, Ossy, I'm so very hurt. I could have just voted and not given any reason. But I suppose you would still come after me either way.

 

 

At Mesaana and Demandred's posts:Shaidar is the only inactive I'd vote because he blantantly bandwagoned twice without any attempt to excuse it.

 

I'll agree that Cyndane's method of answering did nothing to put me at ease with her.

 

 

Let's review day one shall we? The first vote for Lanfear was given by Belal, no reason just a typical day one vote. Second, was Moghedien with her silly jealousy and territorial issues over T'A'R. The third vote was me. Why? Lanny was simply annoying. Fourth vote: Moridin, no reason given. Fifth vote: Asmodean, he was a little miffed over the being killed thing. Sixth vote: Mesaana, and this one is interesting because her first vote was originally for Graendal, but she changed it to Lanfear for absolutely no reason what so ever. It took 11 vote to lynch on day one, so as this point I'd say we're at the half way mark, but with 21 players that isn't really saying much. So, if anyone started a bandwagon on Lanfear, I'd say it was Mesaana.

 

And as to Mordeth, since when is giving a second vote with an agreement a bandwagon? I'd say that after the fourth vote it counts as a bandwagon.

 

Now that I, hopefully, have gotten all of that out of the way. Maybe we can move on. As far as this lynch goes, I personally am leaning towards Graendal since she gave no vote what so ever.

 

With that being said: VOTE: GRAENDAL

[Belal-Mafia]

That's all I got for now, let's discuss.

 

Also in what was do I seem all over the place? I'm actually quite proud of what I just accomplished there. And just like you said, in mafia you have to be suspicious of everyone, and I am suspicious of you, so there.

 

Also I think possibly voting Rahvin could give us some info on his possible vote block? What does anyeone else think?

 

And what are everyone's thoughts on Aggy? I actually think I find him the most suspcious out of everyone, which I already stated my reasons a couple vote up.

 

Also Ravy, the Moggy thing could be true too. We could definitely go towards that angle. We have a day left people, let's figure it out. Go team go!

[Belal-Mafia]

Ick Shaddy, I don't know how I could live with just the internet on my phone *shivers* I would probably die.

 

Anyway, I totally agree about the Graendal thing also. She voted never, and hasn't made one post since her one and only post on day one. I dunna. What does everyone else think?

[Osangar-Mafia]

Re: Killing Graendal- To what end? To kill another probable innocent and leave us down by yet another player while the mafia picks us off? Seriously, I dislike inactives, a lot, but we have leads galore and nothing solid yet. I would rather go after someone who's actions (who has some actions) say something. There's a wealth of them. Mesaana's "bad feeling"; Cyndane's cast of Lanfear posthumous; Semi with her interesting ideas; Moridin for lack of participation while posting; Same for Shaidar; How about Halima and her interesting comments?

 

Shaidar, your offense is amusing considering my similar treatment of you all. I called Lanfear's lynch a bandwagon for all since that's what it was in the end. No pretty words to substitute it. You all lynched her for being defensive without much thought to the fact that both sides can become so; then for role claiming without regard to the fact that you'd castigate her if she didn't. Maybe not out loud, but how many had issues with Mordeth not saying ANYTHING?

 

Hmm, Rahvin was it? Osangar's words on day one speak for themselves. I believe I said something about the wisdom of voting a claimed player. I believe I pointed to reasons her claim might have been on the up and up (including the use of Iroh who- Lo and behold! turned out fire nation innocent). I believe the prudent choice was made, cast it how you will.

 

Belal, I've used 2 names to date. Idiot and foolish. That doesn't qualify as many, I think. And that's aside from how foolish was used. Exaggeration doesn't help you.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Cyndane, if you were not trying to confuse the healer, you should not have continue the argument of if. The fact that you did...

 

So it's scummy to attempt to solidify the point in the minds of the other players? It's scummy to attempt an understanding? That's all "continue the argument" was. Because it was apparent that some people did not understand. Or just didn't agree. Can't help the latter.

 

I don't buy the Lanfear vote excuse either. You did a lot of the arguing, you gave a ton of negative press; then you state you dislike killing her. Words and actions don't mesh for me.

 

If you'll read again, I was very skeptical of her reveal, but also hesitant to vote, lest she be telling the truth. Words and actions coincide, in fact.

 

As for links, it'll be Monday or so. I can't link on a cell.

 

Yes, well, get back to me on that then.

 

On to how you blew me and Balthamel off... You did at least invite me to tea. ;)

 

Only out of the good grace of my heart. :)

 

About Asmodean's death: the comment was don't, not wait for more info.

 

The two can easily be connected. Watch: "Don't, let's wait for more info."

 

You can say I put words in your mouth, but not explain how? Hey, that only looks bad on you.

 

How do you "put words in my mouth?" Actually don't think I ever used those words, but if I did they are in the context that you seem to know what everyone is doing, what their reasonings are. It's more than a little annoying, and why I tend to go off on sarcasm.

 

I read your comment on Moridin vs Rahvin as Rahvin shamming or Moridin having a vote theft role, not as a protection from a vote because usually it's a role that blocks or steals a vote from a player; not a role that protects a player from a vote. I see what you were saying now, though I disagree with it being a protection of that type. There are other roles that do a far better job at lynch protection than what you suggest.

 

Protection of ANY type. I'm not putting my faith in "the Book of Mafia Roles" in a Kivam game. I stop doing that in any game. It's become a trend for Mods to twist roles and Kivam does a good job on that. So, I don't like to assume I know how any type of role will work.

 

As for you bugging me the most being similar to Moridin's (probably Mordeth actually) reasons... I know you did not just miss the tons of points that actually backed up my reasons for the statement. And I believe I never once said trying too hard or over defensive or scumtell for your case.

 

It was a joke. And it was Moridin.

 

I doubt Rahvin is being prevented from voting until I see evidence otherwise. Let's note the lack of on thread confirmation. Beyond that, as Rahvin is currently suspect, I'll go ahead and say that it's possible to block your own vote in an attempt to win sympathy. Ever play with the Dread Pirate?

 

Well let's look at the evidence:

 

1. Rahvin voted Moridin

- Rahvin's vote was not counted

 

Possibilities:

 

A. Kivam missed the vote

B. Rahvin was prevented from voting

C. Moridin was protected from being voted

 

2. Rahvin Unvoted Moridin and Voted Cyndane

- Rahvin's vote was not counted

 

3. Osangar voted Cyndane

- Osangar's vote was not counted

 

Possibilities:

 

A. Kivam's on a binge and totally missed the votes

B. Someone (or someones) are protecting, or blocking people from voting.

C. Other? (A realm I'm not going to welcome diving into.)

 

At first, it looked the way I saw it. Now, I have no clue.

 

Ever play with the Dread Pirate?

 

Curious question. Not since too long ago.

 

I wonder if I missed something. Ahhh... Idiot vs mastermind. You give too much credit here; take it away there. Then there are the little suggestions here and there.

 

Ah, but is it giving too much credit, if you thinking that is exactly my intent? I could just be fueling your ego for you.

 

Osangar...till death do us apart.

[Taim-Mafia]

Regarding the "inactives" situation. I see what is being said - how can we hunt properly when several people are not participating? The reason i have held off on voting them is that we dont know which are Mod confirmed LOA and which are simply not playing.

As difficult as it could make it, Id be happy if Kiv imposes penalties on inactives to get them all posting maybe its time to start Modkilling inactivity?

 

That aside, Ive been following the recent recaps(Thanks to all that have done this) Theres some useful things in them.

Id prefer that others were posting their thoughts as its always the same few who are discussing things and im finding it increasingly difficult to base judgements.

With what we do have I can only pick up on Cyndane - specifically your "answers" to points raised. Mostly there jokey or fluff answers that are not actually answering anything and I dont like this . Ill get called out on this im sure as its not much of a reason but I dont have anything else to go with so -

 

VOTE CYNDANE

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

Better than some, Taim. Better than some.

 

And I have to agree with you. It was funny at the time (for me), but not very smart, in hindsight.

 

Thank you, at least, for alerting me of this so I can check myself in the future.

[Balthamel-Mafia]

*stiffles a yawn* Mornings sure do come early.

 

So it does appear hat Rahvins vote is being blocked somehow, as both his vote on Modirdin & Cyndane are not being counted. Also, Osangars vote is being blocked on Cyndane as well. Either Cyndane is unlynchable today, or Osangar is blocked as well; I find this vote blocking oddity to be weird, as no ones votes appeared to have been blocked Day 1 or Day 2.

 

In the effort to no longer further distract the town, I am willing to follow Belal's advice this once and agree to disagree on this Avatar business with Osangar. Obviously you and I are at a cross on this issue and where I don't believe a compromise is possible. As to your question Osangar, he isn't in this game so what barring does my having played with him before have to do with this game? Metagamming is negated by the alters, so excuse me if I neglect to follow your line of thinking.

 

As for Grendal, it's hard to get a read on someone who is barely posting; also, I'm of the opinion that in most circumstances those who are inactive turns out to be innocent majority of the time. A little pressure might encourage her to become more active, but I can't say that is the best way to scum hunt.

 

With Aginor, I'd msot certainly be willing to change my vote to him. His comment after Lanfear was hammered, his lurkish behavior, and his vote on Mordeth (bandwagoning without giving a reason) have marked him high upon my list.

[Guest Rahvin-Mafia]

Lanfear (7) - Belal, Moghedien, ShaidarHaran, Moridin, Asmodean, Mesaana, Balthamel

 

This was the vote count prior to Lanfear's role claim. *puffs cigar* Now, claiming a jack-of-all-boxes is quite an interesting way to bluff, but what I find more interesting is how quickly Balthy jumped off the bandwagon immediately after. Could it be someone desperately trying not to look like scummy mcscummerson? He changed his vote to Lanfear because of ye olde "we need a majority" claim.

 

....goes without saying that there is at least one scumbag in the list above. Messy's vote process seems the most questionable.

[Osangar-Mafia]

So it's scummy to attempt to solidify the point in the minds of the other players? It's scummy to attempt an understanding? That's all "continue the argument" was. Because it was apparent that some people did not understand. Or just didn't agree. Can't help the latter.

The difference in what you are saying now and what you said then is this. The healer has an obligation to protect revealed players. The healer might have felt an obligation to protect Lanfear. It seems small. It’s not. One suggests the healer should be distracted. The other suggests the opposite. Your second attempt, the one that made it look worse to me was "if" the claim is real, the healer should feel some obligation. The reason I argued, and still argue, is because it looks like a distraction from the avatar despite that he should be healed at all costs.

 

I will give you this. In a normal game, your reasoning would have been sound. In this game, it's plain dangerous.

About Asmodean's death: the comment was don't, not wait for more info.

 

 

The two can easily be connected. Watch: "Don't, let's wait for more info."

And connecting them in retrospect helps how they looked then? No. You do nothing to explain. You attempted to shut down a useful avenue. In retrospect, it seems as if you changed it only to correct the scummish look rather than to explain why it wasn't.

 

How do you "put words in my mouth?" Actually don't think I ever used those words, but if I did they are in the context that you seem to know what everyone is doing, what their reasonings are. It's more than a little annoying, and why I tend to go off on sarcasm.

I believe I said you were stalling and that that helped solidify my thoughts on you. You said it put words in your mouth. I fail to see the connection, especially since you admitted that you were, in point of fact, stalling.

 

Beyond that, scum hunting is the interpretation of the actions of the other parties involved in the game. You were interpreted.

 

Ever play with the Dread Pirate?

 

 

Curious question. Not since too long ago.

Out of context this way, but I’ll bring it back around. If you’ve ever played with him, you know he’s the type of player who would have done what I suggested Rahvin may have done. Point being, it wouldn’t be the first time. Not that Rahvin’s playing even close in caliber to the DPR, but the point must be made in light of some of my previously mentioned issues with him.

 

Thank you, at least, for alerting me of this so I can check myself in the future.

That wasn’t the first alert. But you know what they say, third time is the charm. ;)

 

As to your question Osangar, he isn't in this game so what barring does my having played with him before have to do with this game? Metagamming is negated by the alters, so excuse me if I neglect to follow your line of thinking.

Again, it has nothing to do with metagaming and I don’t even need your answer. It’s more along the lines of how some mental processes come off. It’s a point to ponder that may help. That’s all. Same as it was for Cyndane, but in a different way.

 

Now, claiming a jack-of-all-boxes is quite an interesting way to bluff, but what I find more interesting is how quickly Balthy jumped off the bandwagon immediately after. Could it be someone desperately trying not to look like scummy mcscummerson?

Funny. That used to be standard reaction whether you were scum or not unless it was a rival claim. Another null tell for your books, Rahvin?

 

As per request: The two posts between Amega and Cyndane that provoked me to ask what ever happened to encouraging the inexperienced so that they might want to come back? I don’t see how this is conducive to keeping players interested. Bullies aren't fun; reasons are. I'm even willing to bet this is why so many players are willing to use a throw away vote or no vote on day one.

[Kivam]

Vote Count

 

Ishamael (1) - Cyndane

Osangar (1) - Balthamel

Graendal (1) - Shaidar Haran

Cyndane (1) - Taim

 

9 to lynch

 

Deadline in 8 hours

 

(Note: unless there's a vote that I'm physically incapable of seeing, Osangar has not voted yet today; I've looked six times. If I'm wrong, someone please link the post)

[Osangar-Mafia]

Here you go Kivy, dear.

[Osangar-Mafia]

*cough* Sorry. It was probably hard to see considering the walls of text through the cases. But it is bolded and caps locked and all.

[Kivam]

Thanks:

 

Vote Count

 

Ishamael (1) - Cyndane

Osangar (1) - Balthamel

Graendal (1) - Shaidar Haran

Cyndane (2) - Osangar, Taim

 

9 to lynch

 

Deadline in 8 hours

[Osangar-Mafia]

One person without a vote makes much more sense than two. Thank you, Mod Almighty.

[Guest Rahvin-Mafia]

Out of context this way, but I’ll bring it back around. If you’ve ever played with him, you know he’s the type of player who would have done what I suggested Rahvin may have done. Point being, it wouldn’t be the first time. Not that Rahvin’s playing even close in caliber to the DPR, but the point must be made in light of some of my previously mentioned issues with him.

 

Ouch, Alys....I mean Osangar. Careful, you'll hurt my feelings. ;-) Even the great ones are subject to making slips...which includes Wes. I'm just trying to prod people into participating, and perhaps even making one of those slips.

 

Keep posting the way you have been, and I'm sure you'll make a slip or seven of your own.

 

*smooches*

[Belal-Mafia]

As of right now I don't support the Cyndane vote. Yes she was sarcastic and blah blah, but in RL I am sarcastic also and so that's not indicative of scum. That being said if it gets down to crunch time and we need to consolidate votes, I will do what's best for the town and vote her if need be *sigh* I really hate that only a few people are voting so that's what's really deciding who get's lynched...

 

VOTE AGINOR for right now for reasons previously stated.

[Red2111]

without the glow, votes are hard to see even bolded & in all caps. i think it might make it easier if we colored the votes/unvotes in Red as well *nods*

 

 

have to say, i'm not looking forward to modding a game on DM withotu the glows or without the PM system *snuggles kiv*

 

 

[Dashiva-Mafia]

Aginor-

 

- He votes and unvoted Cyndane, Says he's leaning more towards an Asmo lynch because he semi trusts Lanny and Semmy because they make sense. He never explains why they make sense though or about what.

- He then never revotes.

- When the hammer is cast he maintains Lannys innocense.

- Then he basically calls out Ossy saying he thought Lanny was innocent the whole times and everyone bandwagoned on her without reason (I'm sorry, but Aggy can you explain to me without reason because there were tons and tons of reasons to have her lynched), but it wasn't Ossy who questioned him, it was actually Rahvin which granted could simply be a mistake, but mixing people up is a pretty big mistake.

-Also the whole time he thinks Lanny is innocent, he does nothing to try to defend her or sway votes from her to Asmo or anyone else he found suspicious.

-Tell Taim it's a good idea to do a reread and start scum hunting the old fashioned way, but I haven't seen it yet.

-He defends his no votesaying Lanny was already basically the lynch and so he didn't see a point to vote. That makes no sense to me.

-After last lynch, states the mafia must be happy, but at least we got info from votes. He has yet to explain what info.

 

I have to agree with Bel on this one. AGINOR is looking most suspicious to me at the moment. Osangar was looking shady to me, but I'm reasonably sure that he isn't mafia...at least at the moment.

[ShaidarHaran-Mafia]

Re: Killing Graendal- To what end? To kill another probable innocent and leave us down by yet another player while the mafia picks us off? Seriously, I dislike inactives, a lot, but we have leads galore and nothing solid yet. I would rather go after someone who's actions (who has some actions) say something[/b]There's a wealth of them. Mesaana's "bad feeling"; Cyndane's cast of Lanfear posthumous; Semi with her interesting ideas; Moridin for lack of participation while posting; Same for Shaidar; How about Halima and her interesting comments?

 

You're right, we have several leads, many of which you have pointed out to us. I'm going to defer to my other comments, listed below, to further address this.

 

 

Shaidar, your offense is amusing considering my similar treatment of you all.

 

I'm glad that I amuse you. It warms my heart.

 

 

Regarding the "inactives" situation. I see what is being said - how can we hunt properly when several people are not participating? The reason i have held off on voting them is that we dont know which are Mod confirmed LOA and which are simply not playing.

As difficult as it could make it, Id be happy if Kiv imposes penalties on inactives to get them all posting maybe its time to start Modkilling inactivity?

 

 

Taim is right. We cannot hunt properly with all of these inactives. Sure, we don't know their LOA situations or if they are just plain lazy. But, it seems to me, that if they are whittled out either by lynch or Modkill, that this game might go at a more suitable pace.

 

 

 

As for Grendal, it's hard to get a read on someone who is barely posting; also, I'm of the opinion that in most circumstances those who are inactive turns out to be innocent majority of the time. A little pressure might encourage her to become more active, but I can't say that is the best way to scum hunt.

 

Then let's bring the pressure. My vote still stands, for now.

[Guest Cyndane-Mafia]

So it's scummy to attempt to solidify the point in the minds of the other players? It's scummy to attempt an understanding? That's all "continue the argument" was. Because it was apparent that some people did not understand. Or just didn't agree. Can't help the latter.

The difference in what you are saying now and what you said then is this. The healer has an obligation to protect revealed players. The healer might have felt an obligation to protect Lanfear. It seems small. It’s not. One suggests the healer should be distracted. The other suggests the opposite. Your second attempt, the one that made it look worse to me was "if" the claim is real, the healer should feel some obligation. The reason I argued, and still argue, is because it looks like a distraction from the avatar despite that he should be healed at all costs.

 

I will give you this. In a normal game, your reasoning would have been sound. In this game, it's plain dangerous.

 

An inexperienced Healer might have in fact, dwelt on who to protect. That’s why they would be inexperienced. I was not, in any way, suggesting that the Healer do so, but that they might.

 

Your mind is clearly set in stone though, so have at it.

 

About Asmodean's death: the comment was don't, not wait for more info.

 

 

The two can easily be connected. Watch: "Don't, let's wait for more info."

And connecting them in retrospect helps how they looked then? No. You do nothing to explain. You attempted to shut down a useful avenue. In retrospect, it seems as if you changed it only to correct the scummish look rather than to explain why it wasn't.

 

I was simply stating my opinion and didn’t truly care whether any one agreed or didn’t agree. It’s like you’re getting bent up on someone stating they don’t like voting on Day 1.

 

How do you "put words in my mouth?" Actually don't think I ever used those words, but if I did they are in the context that you seem to know what everyone is doing, what their reasonings are. It's more than a little annoying, and why I tend to go off on sarcasm.

I believe I said you were stalling and that that helped solidify my thoughts on you. You said it put words in your mouth. I fail to see the connection, especially since you admitted that you were, in point of fact, stalling.

 

Beyond that, scum hunting is the interpretation of the actions of the other parties involved in the game. You were interpreted.

 

Going back to that post, I can see what you are saying, and were saying. It seemed like you were telling me what I was saying. So I apologize for that one.

 

Ever play with the Dread Pirate?

 

 

Curious question. Not since too long ago.

Out of context this way, but I’ll bring it back around. If you’ve ever played with him, you know he’s the type of player who would have done what I suggested Rahvin may have done. Point being, it wouldn’t be the first time. Not that Rahvin’s playing even close in caliber to the DPR, but the point must be made in light of some of my previously mentioned issues with him.

 

Yeah, I got the point the first time. Alrighty.

 

Thank you, at least, for alerting me of this so I can check myself in the future.

That wasn’t the first alert. But you know what they say, third time is the charm. ;)

 

Hey, I can’t be expected to read every little word on here, can I? I got a busy job being a mindslave.

 

As per request: The two posts between Amega and Cyndane that provoked me to ask what ever happened to encouraging the inexperienced so that they might want to come back? I don’t see how this is conducive to keeping players interested. Bullies aren't fun; reasons are. I'm even willing to bet this is why so many players are willing to use a throw away vote or no vote on day one.

 

wow. what proof do any of you have to accuse me of being mafia. just because i forgot the rules is a lame reason to vote for me or a nice cover for a real mafia member to try and get a townie killed.

 

Not sure how many games you've played, but welcome to Day One Voting.

 

That’s it? That’s your beef; reason I’m rude?

 

It was the truth. The truth’s a bitch, sometimes. Like it or not, Day 1 is the day of Crap Logic for voting. You know this, Osangar.

 

She had a legitimate dilemma. But so do all Day 1 Lynchees. It’s the way it is, unfortunately.

 

It is a nice cover for mafia. But it’s also a hole the town digs themselves into. I have yet to see it avoided.

 

So call me rude. That’s fine. I’ll still stand by my words.

 

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I understand Kiv's reluctance to Modkill, but it may be the best option for this game to get going.

 

Deadline...?

[Kivam]

GIVEN THE SITE OUTAGES, DEADLINE IS PUSHED BY A DAY.

 

Vote Count

 

Ishamael (1) - Cyndane

Osangar (1) - Balthamel

Graendal (1) - Shaidar Haran

Cyndane (2) - Osangar, Taim

Aginor (1) - Belal

 

9 to lynch

[Kivam]

FYI - there is one player currently in danger of modkill for inactivity - note, modkill will only happen if I can't find a replacement player

[Guest Moridin-Mafia]

I agree that it is difficult to vote with so many inactives.

 

VOTE OSANGAR

 

Pick on somebody your own size.