Mad Hatter Mafia Tea Party - GAME OVER-Page 94

July 23, 2008

I posted where you lied to me in a PM. You claimed to be my ally while you plotted against me.

You've not stayed true to the people that listened to you. Mesaana? Aran'gar? In the posts above, You've made fun of them and plotted behind their backs.

You are now in a position where you have been caught lying and no one can trust you.

In a game where we don't know the rules, the setup, or what is around the next corner, the best plan is to follow common sense. And common sense tells us to lynch all lying liars who lie. That would be you.

ShaidarHaran-Mafia · July 23, 2008

If we accept that he is telling the truth then he wasn't plotting against you but fishing for information from the silly goat who was. But I agree. We just can't be sure of his alignment, or of his motivations in any of those exchanges.

Rahvin, if you're telling the truth then don't take this too hard. If your death proves your innocence then all of your information becomes valuable. But you gotta go one way or the other. You're getting too much mud in the water. And if you do have a hidden alignment ... well it's not a possibility I'm going to risk any longer. [glow=brown,2,300]Rahvin[/glow].

Graendal-Mafia · July 23, 2008

The only communication I have gotten from Rahvin outside this thread is here:

ALys in Wonderland

« Sent to: Graendal-Mafia on: July 11, 2008, 10:01:51 AM »

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Are you a character from ALice in Wonderland? If so, I am the MAD MARCH HARE and I think we may be on the same team.

While it interesting that he must have taken another player to be me, the procedure has not helped forward the game. [glow=brown,2,300]Rahvin[/glow]

Lanfear-Mafia · July 23, 2008

I'm sorry if my RL makes your game play inconvient.

nope. that's not it. it's level of play. do you attempt to help as much as possible or are you one of the many distractions??

You also ran to Lanny when I told you I was the White Knight andyet when I told her that I was this "WHITE KNIGHT" looking for the QUEEN, she went running to Lanny about it.

uh, no she didn't. no one has told me you are the white knight. guilty conscience much??

then gets awful quiet when I post your PM's publically.

because she's supposed to be inhuman and here all day every day no matter what. *nods*

That means both sides of the divide support this conclusion. Moggy's finding makes her either mistaken or a liar. It doesn't help that the name of this role is taken straight out of the mafiascum wiki.

while, yes, outter appearances would say that, please remember the question i asked of the mod.i asked for two reasons. 1. i have the seer vial and i want to know how reliable my results are. 2. we have a contested result. let's solve it.

can the seer reveals lie to us? effectively, we got a pafo. i'm not the smartest person here, but that says something is up.

*this is not to back up moggy; this is to say that she may not be lying about the result she received and we may not be able to fully trust our results.

think about it before ruling it out.

Lanfear-Mafia 05:15:23 AM Sending a message.

Be'lal-Mafia 05:15:17 AM Sending a message.

that is a really great one. i mean all of 18, 19, 20... six seconds apart means they were to each other?? right. gottcha.

explain why she would be in league with one who is plotting Mordin's death.

not in league, roled to love. big difference.

Graendel is Mafia

funny thing is, you should have noticed that you weren't speaking to graendal...

btw, graendal has even just confirmed that s/he never participated in that message.

Lanfear-Mafia · July 23, 2008

Myndrunner:hey, are you Graendel?

Myndrunner:in hatter mafia?

Myndrunner:

i thought that was GFav

Myndrunner:but now I am suspicious

anon:lol

anon:

maybe

n:

I'm thinking its a good role to have. And one that shouldnt be wasted

Myndrunner:

lol, if you really were Graendel then you would know the answer to that question

anon:

never saidIwas Graendal. lol. I said maybe I was

Myndrunner:
two teams

Myndrunner:

our alignment is to the queen, right?

anon:

hmm. yeah

it seems obvious to me that she isn't graendal, anyway...

Lanfear-Mafia · July 23, 2008

and finally, since there now seems to be much evidence that shows that you are not being truthful, and even potentially incriminating evidence as far as your role is concerned, i can in good conscience vote for you. Rahvin.

Moggy and Graendal can and should be dealt with later, I would think. We will have a good read on Rahvin's alignment to help us out. Unless Semi isn't going to play nice either.

Lanfear-Mafia · July 23, 2008

blech. [glow=brown,2,300]Rahvin[/glow]

July 23, 2008

Moggy and Graendal can and should be dealt with later, I would think. We will have a good read on Rahvin's alignment to help us out. Unless Semi isn't going to play nice either.

..Since when did I not? :P I'm hardly going to lie.

But I don't think you should lynch Rahvin.. He's trying to help

July 23, 2008

Ok...Moridin, I know you want me lynched so bad that that it is keeping your from reading the whole story, but I never lied to you in those PMs. I extended my hand to you twice, the second time was right after I suspected that Moggy and Lanny were playing you. I never betrayed the three people who actually listened to me, and I was loyal to Moggy up until she compromised herself.

So please don't make stuff up that isn't there just because you wanted me to be mafia so bad. Believe me, I felt the same about you.

So, please look at the facts...

1)We figured out what the mafia are called, "alignment = To The Queen"

2)we fished out who two of them are (Graendel and Dashiva) and

3)I called out Moggy for her inaccurate read, and Lanny comes to her defense.

And you are lynching me, a likely party goer, because you don't like the way I got info? In a normal mafia game, its not that complicated; but in a game like this, you pretty much have to think way outside the box to get results....and that means take chances, which is what I did. Would you rather me be an inactive who sat around like a sheep waiting for the next random lynch?

Lynching me will only put us down one innocent while lynching [glow=brown,2,300]Graendel[/glow] will move the party goers ahead. Again, if she turns up as a party goer, then go ahead and lynch me. I won't fight it and quite frankly, I would welcome an end this headache inducing chaos.....but not now, not yet.

Alys Kinch · July 23, 2008

I called out Moggy for her inaccurate read, and Lanny comes to her defense.

How is Lanny actually defending Moggy? And let's note that there is a difference in defending someone and seeking to accurately portray what is available to see.

Please, again, suppliment your accusations and implications.

July 23, 2008

If we accept that he is telling the truth then he wasn't plotting against you but fishing for information from the silly goat who was. But I agree. We just can't be sure of his alignment, or of his motivations in any of those exchanges.

Rahvin, if you're telling the truth then don't take this too hard. If your death proves your innocence then all of your information becomes valuable. But you gotta go one way or the other. You're getting too much mud in the water. And if you do have a hidden alignment ... well it's not a possibility I'm going to risk any longer. [glow=brown,2,300]Rahvin[/glow].

Shaidar, I want to deal with your quote separate from the rest because you made a lot of sense in your post. I claimed a lot of fake BS with Graendel and Moggy when I was fishing, yes; but how else are we supposed to get info? Send it to Moridin on the good faith that he isn't leading us to slaughter?

A lynch on me will only confirm what I have said, I am a party goer. You know I am a newb and I know you are a vet, so I am sure you can understand me going from Werewolf Mafia to the big time here. The thing is, Moridin and Lanny have been pushing me from he beginning and I keep pushing back. I think that

Moridin wanted his big AH HA! moment last night and when the truth came out, he didn't have anything to stand on so he just said "well....you lied to me so I vote you, even if you are a party goer." I didn't lie to him though. As I said, I only lied to the two people I suspected were mafia in an attempt to fish for info. I don't blame him, he has the same desire to make sense of this game as I.

Being the newbie that I am, I prolly didn't do it like the great DPR would, but I am trying to hold my own as a Rookie against the heavy hitters. I got a very vanilla character who has no special ability, so I decided to make my own waves. Maybe this is how I learn for the next game, but I did help bring some info to light, you cannot deny this.

So please, vote [glow=brown,2,300]Graendel[/glow] and not me. If she turns up as 0party goer, then I would be happy to go next since everything that I have based my theories on would come crashing down on me. There is no Ace of Spades in this game and I am no Godfather. We have proof that Graendel is Mafia.

Why not go with what we do know?

July 23, 2008

Lanny, please give it a rest. I sent Moggy a PM that she forwarded to you that you subsequently posted. Please go back and read your own posts, there are far to many for me to post here.

July 23, 2008

Shadar is not going to fall for that. You're groveling before the court begging for mercy, so let's just nutshell everything that has happened up to this point:

You are, in order of claims: A Roleless Partygoer. The Mad March Hare. The White Night. A Card- of some description or another...

Which is it today? Oh yeah, Plain Vanilla Harmless Lovable Roleless Partygoer. So far, anyway.

You say you've done a lot for this game. You've actually done nothing to actually contribute. You insert "fake BS" into the game, then come back and admit it was a lie, but that you were doing it for the good of the game.

Nothing you said has been proved. You have no proof of anything at all. Vampires? The Queen and her Cards? P{lots from here to Siam? All we know is that you have raised the possibility that these exist, and not provided any proof. Then you ga back and say they don't exist. At this point, you've loaded us with so much "fake BS" that nobody knows which end is up. Except for the mafia, of course - the only players that it benefits.

What a waste.

Then you beg to not be killed - take out Graendal instead. Then you'll happily die if she is proven a partygoer.

In a game where we have proof of nothing? Where Loki just got quoted as saying the finder results are ify?

And why kill Graendal now instead of you? So that the mafia can move one step closer to winning, that's why.

Want to know what I think? I think we'll lynch you, and then things will start to make more sense around here. I think 90% of everything you've said will evaporate, and we'll be left with a clearer playing field.

July 23, 2008

Are you so bent on my demise that you will ignore the only facts we have in this game? If so, then die Caesar!

Let me ask you this, since you won't see it yourself. How did you get that convo from Graendel? Didn't you get it from a mutual friend of ours, who I sent it to for you to look at? The same one who vouched for you? The same one who swore on her friendship that you were a party goer?

Look, I know that its tough for a vet like you who is normally a step ahead of most players to be in a game that truly challenges you, but that is no reason for you to ignore the facts and push for a partygoer lynch.

We do have some knowns here. Mesaana's role thief steal and Semi's read on Osen'gar. By themselves, they could be lies, but combine them with my fishing convo with Graendel, it is clear who at least two of the mafia are.

So why are you still going after me? Don't blame me for the game being confusing. Don't make me say I told you so when this is all said and done.

July 23, 2008

Nothing you said has been proved. You have no proof of anything at all. Vampires? The Queen and her Cards? P{lots from here to Siam? All we know is that you have raised the possibility that these exist, and not provided any proof.

Hm...

After the plane flies off, you sneak away to the black lake where the shades of the dead reside

"Rise up Osan'gar. The dead have no secrets from me" you intone as the waters swirl and roil and a form rises up infront of you

Then the shade speaks, in a different voice to the one you know, " I was The Deuce of Clubs"

then the shade atomizes, and the waters subside back into placidity.

Osan'gar was The Deuce of Clubs, his role was that if The Queen of Hearts should die he would die also

his alignment was to The Queen

July 23, 2008

Interesting how my character's name appears. But I can confirm that the quotes from the PM's Rahvin got from me are true, at least from what I've been told from Loki.

But if you don't recall I voted for [glow=brown,2,300]Graendel[/glow] the first day I played myself.

But think of it this way, Rahvin has no role, unlike the finder power, I'm pretty sure the Role Thief gets accurate results. So even if his job is to protect the Queen, we can keep him around until we find the Queen, lynch her and be done with him too. Although it is highly unlikely that he's to protect the Queen cause I'm pretty sure that would have effect me the day I took his role. just thought I throw that out there.

but for today I think we should lynch Graendel and then Dashiva tomorrow. Dashiva tomorrow because then we'll have 2 players out of the game, and also because for today I have his role.

Also I didn't steal Moridin's role for my OWN reasons. I think his runs on chances, for example you get some many chances before you die.The wounds get more serious each time he gets lynched.

July 23, 2008

See what I mean about being confusing? :P

But, consider this: Semi, you are the one that provided that info - not Rahvin. Rahvin then ran with the information and told everybody he was a card as well, loyal to the Queen, etc., etc. That's the confusing part of this - we might get a scrap of useful info, but then he blows it up into a full scale production and nobody even knows what's real and what's not.

In the end, he has done a great job of confusing everyone about the cards and where we should look for more.

He also said in a post a little while back that there were no cards and no Queen. bleh....

And Rahvi - Pick yourself up man and show some dignity, man! - I did not get that convo from anyone who said it was from you. I have no idea which friend you are talking about, but there are several players who have checked me now and know that I'm a partygoer.

Lanfear-Mafia · July 23, 2008

The thing is, Moridin and Lanny have been pushing me from he beginning and I keep pushing back. I think that

you may want to represent that a little more accurately. who started pushing??

thought so.

I sent Moggy a PM that she forwarded to you that you subsequently posted.

that's merely evidence that she forwarded me a pm sent by you meant to imply that we are evil together... that is NOT me defending her. i don't know about you, but that's not the only odd or singular (ie. the only one a person sent to me without a previous conversation) pm i've had all game. try again.

Where Loki just got quoted as saying the finder results are ify?

errr, be that quote as it may, as backed up as i see it being by loki's response, i'd prefer use his actual in thread post as evidence.

the only facts we have in this game

the only facts we have in this game, reliable anyway, are our own role pm's, and the vials. nothing else has been proven beyond a doubt.

combine them with my fishing convo with Graendel

are you still going to say it was graendal? because you should ask that player again if she is graendal. i'd have thought the maybe in two different parts of the post would speak clearly of an evasion.

But think of it this way, Rahvin has no role, unlike the finder power, I'm pretty sure the Role Thief gets accurate results. So even if his job is to protect the Queen, we can keep him around until we find the Queen,

i don't think i can trust a groupie...

but for today I think we should lynch Graendel and then Dashiva tomorrow. Dashiva tomorrow because then we'll have 2 players out of the game, and also because for today I have his role.

or is it because rahvin told you to?

Belal-Mafia · July 23, 2008

.....okay.. Sorry for being inactive.. I was busy ::)

Anyways, this game is getting too confusing, I have chosen to not believe anything in this thread, and instead get some "information" from Loki... *(or whatever you wanna call it) and from nights. What I'm saying is that we (i'm guessing its not just me?) who's not really any part of the PM-convoes, really have no information at all, and when the entire game revolves around Lanfear, Rahvin and Moridin, I'm not really feeling like playing at all.

July 23, 2008

It almost sounded like you said you were unhappy with the players that were actually playing, so you would rather not play? ???

July 23, 2008

See what I mean about being confusing? :P

But, consider this: Semi, you are the one that provided that info - not Rahvin. Rahvin then ran with the information and told everybody he was a card as well, loyal to the Queen, etc., etc. That's the confusing part of this - we might get a scrap of useful info, but then he blows it up into a full scale production and nobody even knows what's real and what's not.

In the end, he has done a great job of confusing everyone about the cards and where we should look for more.

He also said in a post a little while back that there were no cards and no Queen. bleh....

And Rahvi - Pick yourself up man and show some dignity, man! - I did not get that convo from anyone who said it was from you. I have no idea which friend you are talking about, but there are several players who have checked me now and know that I'm a partygoer.

Dude, you don't wanna keep pressing this. You already have voted for me. You know the context in me fishing info out of Graendel and Moggy. Again, don't try to personify the confusing nature of this game in me. I am doing what everyone else is trying to do....get information.

I don't get you bro. You want to lynch me so bad you don't care if I am a partygoer or not, when we have cooperative evidence that Graendel is the one we should be after? Forget about my posts for a second...look at the evidence from everyone else. I suspect that Naeann has vouched for me to you the same way, yet you still are pushing for this.

Is it ego? Is that it? You want your AH HA moment so bad in this game that you would rather lynch a likely partygoer than a likely mafia?

Lanny.....i'm not even gonna waste my time. Just please read before clicking post from now on, ok?

July 23, 2008

>:( I'm not a damn groupie, don't be so judgmental of me. You have no idea of how I think or what I'm doing. Everyone has their own plan, and not everyone shares it. I use a part of his plan (about Graendel) because that I can agree with, seeing how it was ME who had that information about it. AND IF anyone had been paying attention to what I had been posting before you would see that I was the FIRST to publicly question the name of what other alignment was, and that was if it had anything to do with Queen and such. But no, you all looked over it, or didn't voice anything or simply said I don't know and moved on.

Again what I know about Graendal:

Congratulations, you successfully tricked Graendal out of her role!

though disgiused as Graendal, you find yourself in a bit more trouble than you'd like, its seems her fate depends upon another;

During the next Day and nigth phase, if The Queen dies, you will die too!

enjoy, your spoils :-*

And all this attacking Rahvin isn't going to get you ANYWAY, he's ROLELESS! The same a Taim! was. My whole reason for sharing my information with him was because I figured he couldn't do anything to my role. Cause unlike most of you, I don't have any idea who another player's alt is or how they play. This is my first game for DM outside the White Tower.

Demandred-Mafia · July 23, 2008

I Have to work for 11 hours today and come back to read nearly 10 pages...aghhh!!!

Please can we stop with this argueing, it seems to be going round in circles. Rahvin you are seriously confusing me, with all your rants and stuff, it is not helping. of course Moorri and Lannie are going to respond to your posts as you accuse them as much as they accuse you.

I would happily vote for you, your fishing hasn't really helped the situation, at least not the way you have gone about it. Mesaana made more sense in that last post than you have for the last ten pages.

So at the moment I will go with [glow=brown,2,300]Graendal[/glow], but don't think I won't think about changing it too you.

Belal-Mafia · July 23, 2008

It almost sounded like you said you were unhappy with the players that were actually playing, so you would rather not play? ???

then it came out wrong. I'm just saying that I'm really annoyed about the off-thread thing, but then I've already been pretty clear about that.

July 23, 2008

Demi, I thank you for your opinion and I agree, Mesaana and SH have made more sense individually than Lanny, Me, and Moridin combined. My string of posts lately were more geared to explain what Moridin was mistaking for evidence that I was some kind of mafia and not a partygoer trying to get info.

I rest my case. No more fighting. The facts are there for all to see.

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