After AMoL will we love Perrin again?

[DuDZiK]

Back when Mat was trying to run, they realy had no idea what was going on.  Mat wanted to be away from Rand before he went Crazy.   What I am saying, is they all know the price of failure now, Rand was the first to relize he could not run, Perrin was the second, and finlay Mat.

 

Now, Perrin knows full well what would happen if the shawdow won,yet he was willing to let them win to save one person,  While I am not saying he is a Friend of the Dark, he is as close as you can get without swearing the the Great Lord.

 

You keep saying this, but other than Perrin saying once that he would allow the world to burn if it meant saving Faile, where did his statements or his actions indicate that, practically, he would actually do such a thing or work towards it? Please tell me, because I have just read through the final few books and I cannot recall any such instances. I mean, I say things like: "To hell with _____!" or "the devil take _____!" but I don't actually mean it, it's just an expression of anger and exasperation; and there are billions of people on this earth who say the same.

 

There is still a HUGE difference between someone who literally swears one's soul to the DO than someone who inadvertently does a bad thing, especially when that 'bad thing' can be explained as not being bad in the first place.

 

Perrin is slime ball, there is no exuse for how he reacted, he let his emotion take over when he needed to be a clear thinker.  What is the life of Faile, when compared against all of the people Perrin saved at the two Rivers?

 

There are plenty of reasons and justifications for how Perrin acted, your hatred of the character is making you view his actions in a way that twist the truth. He let his emotion take over ONCE for a short moment, and after that his head was clear and he thought rationally as to how to get his wife back. By the way, every single person that was following Perrin wanted to save Faile as much as Perrin did, yet I don't hear you trumpeting how they all must be darkfriends or as close as. Never once did Perrin do anything that actually put the entire world in jeopardy, and neither did he ever try to. He said ONE thing. One. One thing that was more a statement of overwhelming anger and despair in a moment of passion than a declaration of actual fact or motivation, and you have yet to even try to prove otherwise; all you have done is repeat the same thing over and over: Perrin's a slimeball, he's scum, he tried to forsake the world to the DO to save Faile, it's inexcusable etc etc.

 

Where's your evidence? Where's your proof? Quote something from the book, point to an instance where he did such a thing other than the one time, do something.

 

Personally, I think you disliked Perrin long before this instance, but you are using it as a justification to hate him. Kind of like a hindsight prophecy.

 

[Vambram]

I completely and totally agree with that post of yours, DuDZiK.

[Ahaz Flagg]

Perrin was sent to bring Masema to Rand, was he not?  Did you read that part?  After Faile was taken rather than complete the job, he went running after Faile, without a care in the world for his job. He stated very cleary that he could care less what happend.  Not for the first time mind, this was the second time that he forgot everything for her.  The first being in an inn in Tear.

 

I will never claim to have liked Perrin, accpet for the first two books, Perrin has a single focus in his life, Faile.  He has shown this several times.  While he does have more of a sense of Duty than Mat, his focus on Faile is wrong!!

 

He is tied to the pattern, he knows what he must do, yet he would give it up for Faile.  You keep saying anyone would do what he did, and yet you have no proof.  You keep saying  what he said has emotion.  I will keep saying, there is no room for that in the war with the Shadow.  If Mat, Rand And Perrin fail, their world is doomed.

 

There will never be an exuse to say, that if file does not live he could care less what happens. You may try to make an excuse for it, but you will never convince me of that.

 

The beauty of reading DuDzik, is we all see some things in a differant way.  Perrin and Faile are the worst part of this series, that is my opinion.  And as my opinion, I can assure I will always see Perrin as a person who would have rather let the shawdow win, than do what was better for the world.

 

I am done with this, there seems little point to go on now. Good day to you!!

[DuDZiK]

Perrin was sent to bring Masema to Rand, was he not?   Did you read that part?  After Faile was taken rather than complete the job, he went running after Faile, without a care in the world for his job. He stated very cleary that he could care less what happend.  Not for the first time mind, this was the second time that he forgot everything for her.  The first being in an inn in Tear.

 

What does this have to do with forsaking the world to the DO? What he did when he ignored Masema at that moment was in his moment of overwhelming emotion. After that he always considered Masema and his men - one, because he needed his 'army' and two because he was still aware of his instructions... thats why he sent spies into his camp in the first place.

 

Rand's instructions were for Rand's own benefit and aribtrary interest, it did not matter much otherwise. What Perrin did do was try to get Masema killed, which is what should have been done all along. At the same time, he eliminated the threat of the Shaido, which I may remind you is a very noble and beneficial thing for the entire Randland. You want to know what Rand probably would have done with Masema? He probably would have tried to control him then send him back out to rally support. He would not have killed him, as he should. The man is guilt of crime the like of any tyrant (especially a religious tyrant).

 

I will never claim to have liked Perrin, accpet for the first two books, Perrin has a single focus in his life, Faile.  He has shown this several times.  While he does have more of a sense of Duty than Mat, his focus on Faile is wrong!!

 

Why? I love my girlfriend the same. Why should it be so wrong for a man to love a woman so much? For that matter, Rand is the same way with the women he loves. It's partially why he doesn't have a hand now, and again I don't see you saying anything about him.

 

He is tied to the pattern, he knows what he must do, yet he would give it up for Faile.  You keep saying anyone would do what he did, and yet you have no proof.

 

I do have proof: ME. Rand probably would as well, and now with Tuon I think so would Mat. Nynaeve would, Egwene probably would, and so would Rand's three loves.

 

[qupte]You keep saying  what he said has emotion.  I will keep saying, there is no room for that in the war with the Shadow.  If Mat, Rand And Perrin fail, their world is doomed.

 

What do you think Cadsuane is trying to teach Rand? What Min was trying to teach him before? Rand is trying to cut himself off from all emotion so he can be 'hard like a stone' which he thinks is the key for him being able to win the last battle. What does Cadsuane say? "Any victory we have with him like that could be as bad as a loss."

 

There is nothing wrong with emotion in moderation; it's when you allow passions to overrule your reason that you get into trouble, but even then you cannot call too much emotion 'immoral'. Perrin was excessively passionate in the first instance that he heard about Faile being kidnapped, and after that he had a tight reign on it and allowed his cold and calculating mind to give purpose and direction to his emotion like a rational person does.

 

There will never be an exuse to say, that if file does not live he could care less what happens. You may try to make an excuse for it, but you will never convince me of that.

 

You have yet to convince anyone but yourself that Perrin actually will not care what happens. All the time that he was working to save her, he showed how much he cared about other things.

 

The beauty of reading DuDzik, is we all see some things in a differant way.  Perrin and Faile are the worst part of this series, that is my opinion.  And as my opinion, I can assure I will always see Perrin as a person who would have rather let the shawdow win, than do what was better for the world.

 

I am done with this, there seems little point to go on now. Good day to you!!

 

You can see whatever you want, that is true. That doesn't make it any more rational, however. I could read into the series that Perrin is really a rabbit all I want, but that would not make it rational. You are twisting what is written, and jumping to incredible and irrational assumptions as far as I can see.

[Vambram]

LOL and good day to you,:) because you appear to make harsh judgments against one of the main three heroes of the series just because of a two or three times he said something very, very wrong while under severe emotional distress.

But here are the facts, Ahaz Flagg. The facts from the series really do show that although Perrin did say that which we all do object to about Faile being much more important to himself than the fate of the world;.. are there any scenes in the books that actually and factually do show that he was going to follow through with what he said about this???

Please do find such proof and facts there, if you can, because I really would like to see it. :)